NATION

PASSWORD

MechiWiki version 2

Talk about regional management and politics, raider/defender gameplay, and other game-related matters.
Not a roleplaying forum.
User avatar
Standica
Secretary
 
Posts: 39
Founded: Sep 05, 2009
Ex-Nation

MechiWiki version 2

Postby Standica » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:42 am

You may or may not have come across my NationStates toolkit, MechiWiki. I'm currently working on a new version, partly to improve the calculation algorithms, and partly to add new features. This is where I would like your input.

At the moment I'm really keen on incorporating some sort of military stats into the toolkit (armed forces man-power, etc), and I'm also toying with the idea of a "Political Compass"-esque feature.

So I'd like you to suggest new features, improvements to current ones, etc, etc.

Edit: I've also had the idea of allowing people to build their own military, so you could chose exactly how you spend your defence budget. I'd like some feedback on this idea though- is it something worth doing, and if so, do you have any suggestions or pointers?
Last edited by Standica on Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Of the Quendi
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15447
Founded: Mar 18, 2010
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Of the Quendi » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:49 am

Well last I checked MechiWiki makes nations with Powerhouse have a greater economy then nations with Freightening. That you will have to correct if it is to be taken seriously. Which I believe it deserves as it is otherwise a really good calculator.
Nation RP name
Arda i Eruhíni (short form)
Alcarinqua ar Meneldëa Arda i Eruhíni i sé Amanaranyë ar Aramanaranyë (long form)

User avatar
Lurlop
Secretary
 
Posts: 26
Founded: Jun 18, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Lurlop » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:50 am

GREAT! I have just heard of it

User avatar
Of the Quendi
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15447
Founded: Mar 18, 2010
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Of the Quendi » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:53 am

Oh and I love that your calculator makes nations richer then the rest. For instance my nation has a no taxes policy and I follow an extremely pro business policy yet most calculators only let me have a GDP per capita about the size of RL US. Ridiculous.
Nation RP name
Arda i Eruhíni (short form)
Alcarinqua ar Meneldëa Arda i Eruhíni i sé Amanaranyë ar Aramanaranyë (long form)

User avatar
Lurlop
Secretary
 
Posts: 26
Founded: Jun 18, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Lurlop » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:56 am

Improvement:Allow nations to read a region's RMB

User avatar
Standica
Secretary
 
Posts: 39
Founded: Sep 05, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Standica » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:58 am

Of the Quendi wrote:Well last I checked MechiWiki makes nations with Powerhouse have a greater economy then nations with Freightening. That you will have to correct if it is to be taken seriously. Which I believe it deserves as it is otherwise a really good calculator.


This is my main priority- to sort out the numbers a bit. Rest assured that by time I'm done with it, the calculations will be a lot better.

User avatar
Sedgistan
Site Director
 
Posts: 35509
Founded: Oct 20, 2006
Anarchy

Postby Sedgistan » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:00 pm

Might be worth adding in a "Government budget as a % of GDP" stat, as that's a useful way of comparing nations.

User avatar
Of the Quendi
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15447
Founded: Mar 18, 2010
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Of the Quendi » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:01 pm

Oh, and I also like that you can see how much per capita you spend on different sectors. Thumbs up for that.
Nation RP name
Arda i Eruhíni (short form)
Alcarinqua ar Meneldëa Arda i Eruhíni i sé Amanaranyë ar Aramanaranyë (long form)

User avatar
Gahaldu
Envoy
 
Posts: 318
Founded: Dec 12, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Gahaldu » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:02 pm

I really like the calculator, but I do have one criticism. It seems that the quality of life and human development scores are a bit high for some nations. Even compulsory consumerist states or corporate police states have fairly commendable rankings. For example, A Corporate Regime, a puppet nation of mine that has a terrible environment and virtually no freedoms at all, gets a higher quality of life score than Switzerland. and a higher HDI score than the United States.
Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00

User avatar
Standica
Secretary
 
Posts: 39
Founded: Sep 05, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Standica » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:05 pm

Lurlop wrote:Improvement:Allow nations to read a region's RMB


Sorry Lurlop, could you expand on that please? It's probably me being thick, but not sure what RMB stands for :S

Sedgistan wrote:Might be worth adding in a "Government budget as a % of GDP" stat, as that's a useful way of comparing nations.


Great idea- will definitely add that. Thanks Sedgistan :)

Gahaldu wrote:I really like the calculator, but I do have one criticism. It seems that the quality of life and human development scores are a bit high for some nations. Even compulsory consumerist states or corporate police states have fairly commendable rankings. For example, A Corporate Regime, a puppet nation of mine that has a terrible environment and virtually no freedoms at all, gets a higher quality of life score than Switzerland. and a higher HDI score than the United States.


I'll re-work the algorithm and make sure that's fixed for the new version.

User avatar
Wamitoria
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18852
Founded: Jun 28, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Wamitoria » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:08 pm

Standica wrote:
Lurlop wrote:Improvement:Allow nations to read a region's RMB


Sorry Lurlop, could you expand on that please? It's probably me being thick, but not sure what RMB stands for :S

Regional Message Board
Wonder where all the good posters went? Look no further!

Hurry, before the Summer Nazis show up again!

User avatar
Standica
Secretary
 
Posts: 39
Founded: Sep 05, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Standica » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:13 pm

Thanks Wamitoria for the translation :)

Lurlop wrote:Improvement:Allow nations to read a region's RMB


That's beyond the scope of the toolkit. Sorry.

User avatar
Alevuss
Senator
 
Posts: 3976
Founded: Jan 10, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Alevuss » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:15 pm

Standica wrote:At the moment I'm really keen on incorporating some sort of military stats into the toolkit (armed forces man-power, etc).


I'm not sure how you do this, but perhaps you could find the military by somehow basing it off of a nation's government type, along with their freedoms.
When life gives you lemons. . . You might as well shove 'em where the sun don't shine, because you sure as hell aren't ever going to see any lemonade.-Rob Thurman
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Man, these Austrians sure don't speak English...

Georgism wrote:Those Australians sure don't speak English...

Aelosia wrote:
Neaglia wrote:There's a whole internet full of porn out there! You guys are wasting the fraction of a penny that these shares have entitled you to

But this is NS related. This is a NS related thing. This is a NS player.
アレヴッ —Alevuss

User avatar
Wamitoria
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18852
Founded: Jun 28, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Wamitoria » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:46 pm

Alevuss wrote:
Standica wrote:At the moment I'm really keen on incorporating some sort of military stats into the toolkit (armed forces man-power, etc).


I'm not sure how you do this, but perhaps you could find the military by somehow basing it off of a nation's government type, along with their freedoms.

%percent of Gov't Military spending, economic condition, and population would make more sense.
Wonder where all the good posters went? Look no further!

Hurry, before the Summer Nazis show up again!

User avatar
Zwangzug
Issues Editor
 
Posts: 5240
Founded: Oct 19, 2006
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Zwangzug » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:07 pm

Oh, so you're the force behind that! Very nice tool, thanks for making it.

I know a lot of the mechanics are kept deliberately hidden, but could you make things like labels and scales for the less familiar values a little less obscure? Right now, unless there's some mouseover trick I'm missing (mouseover doesn't do anything for me, even though it looks like it maybe should), I have to View Page Source in order to learn what the GPI, for instance, is...and there's no scale for that, just color-coding. Maybe that's deliberate, but at least tweak the mouseover functions in some way...?

And then there are some numbers that I don't quite understand. Should dividing "Education Spending per Capita" by "Funding Per Pupil" yield the percentage of pupils in the population? I'm getting a rather low number there...although maybe that's to be expected if the life expectancy is 103.3...

And as a general question, I'm no economist; if the government expenditure per capita outstrips the GDP and/or production per capita, does that mean the government is running a deficit?

But still, this is a cool tool, so thanks once again.
Factbook
IRC humor, (self-referential)
My issues
...using the lens of athletics to illustrate national culture, provide humor, interweave international affairs, and even incorporate mathematical theory...
WARNING: by construing meaning from this sequence of symbols, you have given implicit consent to the theory that words have noncircular semantic value and can be used to encode information about an external universe. Proceed with caution.

User avatar
Standica
Secretary
 
Posts: 39
Founded: Sep 05, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Standica » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:41 pm

Zwangzug wrote:Oh, so you're the force behind that! Very nice tool, thanks for making it.

I know a lot of the mechanics are kept deliberately hidden, but could you make things like labels and scales for the less familiar values a little less obscure? Right now, unless there's some mouseover trick I'm missing (mouseover doesn't do anything for me, even though it looks like it maybe should), I have to View Page Source in order to learn what the GPI, for instance, is...and there's no scale for that, just color-coding. Maybe that's deliberate, but at least tweak the mouseover functions in some way...?

And then there are some numbers that I don't quite understand. Should dividing "Education Spending per Capita" by "Funding Per Pupil" yield the percentage of pupils in the population? I'm getting a rather low number there...although maybe that's to be expected if the life expectancy is 103.3...

And as a general question, I'm no economist; if the government expenditure per capita outstrips the GDP and/or production per capita, does that mean the government is running a deficit?

But still, this is a cool tool, so thanks once again.


I had to disable to mouseover because there were some problems with it. It's one of the things on the list to put right and make better.

As for your education question, the short answer is "no" :) What I've tried to do is model the birth rate for a nation, and from there, and taking into account other factors, what percentage of the population is of school age. But there are some problems with the calculations here, which is why version 2 is on it's way.

And if govt expenditure is greater than GDP, yes, the government is running a deficit. I'm looking at your nation now, and your economy is "imploded" ;)

Hope that answers your question, and thanks for the support- it's much appreciated =)

User avatar
Zwangzug
Issues Editor
 
Posts: 5240
Founded: Oct 19, 2006
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Zwangzug » Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:32 pm

Standica wrote:I'm looking at your nation now, and your economy is "imploded" ;)
Yeah, I caught on, sigh. :p Thanks for clearing that up, the government likes to know which statistics to brag about and which to spin... :p

And yeah, extrapolating birth rates seems like a clever idea, and I'm guessing Zwangzug's would be rather low. Just not sure how low, is all. Good luck with version 2!
Factbook
IRC humor, (self-referential)
My issues
...using the lens of athletics to illustrate national culture, provide humor, interweave international affairs, and even incorporate mathematical theory...
WARNING: by construing meaning from this sequence of symbols, you have given implicit consent to the theory that words have noncircular semantic value and can be used to encode information about an external universe. Proceed with caution.

User avatar
Atheists Led by Chris
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 198
Founded: Jun 26, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Atheists Led by Chris » Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:27 am

I like the Social Statistics feature. That's a first I've seen. :clap:
Keep religion out of my school, and I'll keep thinking out of your church.

User avatar
Flemish Cities
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 17
Founded: Oct 23, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Flemish Cities » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:35 am

The GDP seems a bit high. Right now it says I have $249,216 per capita GDP for a grand total of slightly over $41 trillion. And while this gives me an extraordinarily powerful economy I think the NSEconomy's page has it at what seems better at just over $4 trillion, around a tenth of what yours seems to calculate. While I'd love for this to be true if I decided to roleplay it just doesn't feel right to have a GDP at ~3 times the USA's GDP with around half the population. Unless, of course, my nation is really just that industrious.

User avatar
Zoerb
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 129
Founded: Sep 05, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Zoerb » Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:44 pm

It would seem that "administration" and "social equality" are the same color in the graph and merge together so it appears that there is just one big piece. Other than that it looks pretty good.
Proud delegate of Alliance of Awesomeness
"War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can" -Winston Churchill
"My god, it finally happened, Taiwan is invading China!" - Amaniachelmetjohnpi about LWU declaring war on 10000 Islands

User avatar
Standica
Secretary
 
Posts: 39
Founded: Sep 05, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Standica » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:45 pm

Flemish Cities wrote:The GDP seems a bit high. Right now it says I have $249,216 per capita GDP for a grand total of slightly over $41 trillion. And while this gives me an extraordinarily powerful economy I think the NSEconomy's page has it at what seems better at just over $4 trillion, around a tenth of what yours seems to calculate. While I'd love for this to be true if I decided to roleplay it just doesn't feel right to have a GDP at ~3 times the USA's GDP with around half the population. Unless, of course, my nation is really just that industrious.


GDP is one of my main priorities to have a look at. I'm actually re-writing it at the moment :)

Zoerb wrote:It would seem that "administration" and "social equality" are the same color in the graph and merge together so it appears that there is just one big piece. Other than that it looks pretty good.


Thanks- you're the first to notice that :) I'll have it fixed for v2.

User avatar
Flemish Cities
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 17
Founded: Oct 23, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Flemish Cities » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:14 pm

Standica wrote:
Flemish Cities wrote:The GDP seems a bit high. Right now it says I have $249,216 per capita GDP for a grand total of slightly over $41 trillion. And while this gives me an extraordinarily powerful economy I think the NSEconomy's page has it at what seems better at just over $4 trillion, around a tenth of what yours seems to calculate. While I'd love for this to be true if I decided to roleplay it just doesn't feel right to have a GDP at ~3 times the USA's GDP with around half the population. Unless, of course, my nation is really just that industrious.


GDP is one of my main priorities to have a look at. I'm actually re-writing it at the moment :)


Glad to hear it, yours looks much nicer IMO than the other calculators out there and loads much quicker as well (for me at least).

User avatar
Coletra
Envoy
 
Posts: 330
Founded: Nov 01, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Coletra » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:19 pm

It is pretty good, but the social statistics are greatly excaggerated
The United Socialist States of Coletra
Prime Minister: Landon Corsat
President: Wesmer Telth
Vice President: Bonr Retov
Current Standing Armed Forces:5280000
Majority Party: Coletra Socialist Party

User avatar
The New Gaula Reich
Diplomat
 
Posts: 605
Founded: May 22, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby The New Gaula Reich » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:38 pm

GPI should be fixed, 180 could mean 1.8, or 180, one of which is extremely peaceful, about as peaceful as France, and the other is a war mongering nation declaring nuclear war like there's no tomorrow.
under capitalism, man exploits man, under communism, the exact opposite is true.
Embassy
Conoga wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Where my massive armada consisting of anime characters, the Indian Empire, catgirls, and succubi train.

Mine's bigger.
Complete map of The Fifth Reich's Claims in Europe and surrounding nations, other territories in the Pacific Ocean, and South America.
1 April 2011, Best April Fools Day evar!

User avatar
Aksun
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1046
Founded: Sep 07, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Aksun » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:48 pm

WOW this is cool! Keep it up I love seeing my nations stats.

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to Gameplay

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Advertisement

Remove ads