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(PASSED) Repeal SC#19 - Commend Antarctic Oasis

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(PASSED) Repeal SC#19 - Commend Antarctic Oasis

Postby Mousebumples » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:06 am

My own version, so here's my own thread:
THE SECURITY COUNCIL:

HOLDS the power to bestow commendations upon any nation or region which is deemed worthy of the distinction.

EXPECTS that nations and regions so recognized will behave in a manner that brings further honor and respect upon the nation or region in question, as well as the World Assembly as a whole.

NOTES with dismay that Antarctic Oasis has not always acted in such a way and that some of their more unsavory acts were inadvertently overlooked when their commendation was originally considered.

RECOGNIZES that this region's practice of "creative compliance" crossed a threshold of permissibility following the passage of GA#102, International Criminal Court, upon which region members expressed open defiance toward such a court and their intent to "shoot on sight" any and all WA compliance gnomes tasked with enforcing the resolution.

RECALLS that region members rejoiced in the passage of a home-grown resolution, GA#76, Standardised Passport Act, which created an agency contentiously named the GESTAPO.

OBSERVES that WA ambassadors from the Antarctic Oasis often spend their time in wholly unproductive ways, including but not limited to drunken, disorderly, and often lewd and obscene conduct; ignoring serious debate in favor of childish food fights; defenestrating ambassadors with whom they disagree; and, on separate occasions, both flooding and suicide-bombing the Security Council.

DENOUNCES the frequency with which representatives from Antarctic Oasis promote sexist attitudes and the objectification of women, particularly with regards to the honorable ambassador for Thessadoria.

DOCUMENTS the alarming fact that members of Antarctic Oasis publicly flaunt their dissolute lifestyles within the WA, which in turn tempts more virtuous nations to migrate from their original, upstanding regions to join in such debauched behavior.

BELIEVES that any region which engages in such inappropriate actions with regards to World Assembly legislation, governance, and enforcement is unworthy of a commendation.

REPEALS SC#19, Commend Antarctic Oasis.

Debate for the original proposal.

If there's anything else in the proposal that needs evidence or that you'd like to see an example of, please ask. This is all stuff that I remember seeing and/or encountering on the forums - it's just a matter of finding the appropriate threads to link up. (The joy of search functions, right? Although, to be honest, jolt is more than a bit of a pain to try to sort through ... )
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Postby Unibot » Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:15 pm

I'd prefer if you tackled problems with the resolution's text, and not future actions of AO.

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Postby Mousebumples » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:15 pm

Unibot wrote:I'd prefer if you tackled problems with the resolution's text, and not future actions of AO.

I'm a bit confused how I discussed "future actions" of AO in the repeal text since it's pretty much all based on things they've already done. Unless we're using different definitions of "future" or something?

Anyhow, while you may have approached the repeal text in a different manner, this version is currently At Vote. Since it's a repeal (and not new legislation - and especially not a new piece of GA legislation), I feel that the action of repealing is what matters with the vote, and less the precise words. (Not that they shouldn't be convincing, but as history will show, there's any number of methods/approaches to writing a repeal.) I felt that this was the best approach, in this circumstance.

And, of course, it does deal with items listed in the original resolution's text. I may have some time tomorrow afternoon to put in footnotes and/or cross-references, if you feel that is necessary for proper evaluation of the repeal proposal.
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Postby Unibot » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:42 pm

Mousebumples wrote:Anyhow, while you may have approached the repeal text in a different manner, this version is currently At Vote. Since it's a repeal (and not new legislation - and especially not a new piece of GA legislation), I feel that the action of repealing is what matters with the vote, and less the precise words. (Not that they shouldn't be convincing, but as history will show, there's any number of methods/approaches to writing a repeal.) I felt that this was the best approach, in this circumstance.


Under that philosophy all resolutions in the SC could be left blank. Also I posted that message before this resolution came to vote. I'll be voting "for" out of pure envy that AO could get a commendation for being dicks and I have yet to receive mine. :roll:

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Postby Unibot » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:43 pm

Mousebumples wrote:
Unibot wrote:I'd prefer if you tackled problems with the resolution's text, and not future actions of AO.

I'm a bit confused how I discussed "future actions" of AO in the repeal text since it's pretty much all based on things they've already done. Unless we're using different definitions of "future" or something?


Actions that happened after the passage of the commendation.

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Postby Kalibarr » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:56 pm

*supports*

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Postby Metania » Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:39 pm

Voting for, simply so I can be evil, too. :twisted:
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Postby Feroxian » Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:32 pm

You could repeal the future commendation of Equinox based on the same stuff.

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Postby Lowell Leber » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:29 am

This is ridiculous, as none of the actions of AO cited in this repeal appear to be more than mildly offensive. And compared to some of the other behavior this body and the GA have witnessed over the years, this repeal seems hardly justified if at all.

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Postby Unibot » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:38 am

By voting FOR, your giving AO what they want. By voting against you're leaving a disgrace for the WA, untouched. My suggestion is to not be concerned with they 'want', and focus on the World Assembly's principles. AO having a commendation is a mockery to all those who have a commendation -- it wouldn't matter if AO loved their commendation or hated it death, making a decision on that basis is assuming they're not lying to us, or themselves.

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:44 am

Nikolas Eberhart, I assume this repeal is independent of the so-called Gatesville Problem? :roll:

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Postby Mousebumples » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:02 am

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Nikolas Eberhart, I assume this repeal is independent of the so-called Gatesville Problem? :roll:

- Ms. S. Harper.

I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with the Gatesville Problem. As such, I believe it must be independent, yes?

(OOC: Seriously, Gatesville Problem? I'm not terribly active on the SC, I will admit, but I'm not quite sure how Gatesville ties into this repeal ... Although perhaps their delegate was kind enough to approve and/or vote in favor?)
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:09 am

Mousebumples wrote:
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Nikolas Eberhart, I assume this repeal is independent of the so-called Gatesville Problem? :roll:

- Ms. S. Harper.

I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with the Gatesville Problem. As such, I believe it must be independent, yes?

(OOC: Seriously, Gatesville Problem? I'm not terribly active on the SC, I will admit, but I'm not quite sure how Gatesville ties into this repeal ... Although perhaps their delegate was kind enough to approve and/or vote in favor?)

An archive of the debate can be found here which might shed more light on the subject. Anyway, having reviewed the resolution we're in favour. It's all good for the books.

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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:24 am

Unibot wrote:By voting FOR, your giving AO what they want. By voting against you're leaving a disgrace for the WA, untouched. My suggestion is to not be concerned with they 'want', and focus on the World Assembly's principles. AO having a commendation is a mockery to all those who have a commendation -- it wouldn't matter if AO loved their commendation or hated it death, making a decision on that basis is assuming they're not lying to us, or themselves.


I'm happy to see the commendations mocked. They're just an ego trip. In fact, the condemnations are pointless to, they're an excuse to label nations. For instance, out of over 50,000 nations, (and many dictatorship nations too) who decides the nations deserving of a condemnation? It's a case of moralising. It's as absurd as going on a moralising rampage to police everyone's behaviour in a Stasi like manner. Why not condemn all dictatorship nations? Why not all authoritarian regions?
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Postby Cardoness » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:48 am

You are repealing the commendation for some of the exact same reasons they were awarded the commendation in the first place. After reading through the forum post the esteemed and honorable Ambassador from Mousebumples has provided as evidence, this humble Ambassador can't remember the last time he laughed that hard. As such, I would like to thank my college for bringing these to our attention, but I find that AO has done nothing that a fresh coat of paint and a mop can't fix. (The WA can obviously afford it judging by some of the resolutions that have passed of late) In addition, They have brought joy and a well timed pun to the debates of the WA, for which they should be, and in fact are, commended. As we see nothing in the original commendation that has changed we will vote against its repeal.
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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:57 am

Official position is to abstain from this nonsense.
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Postby Frattastan » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:38 pm

:palm:

Resolutions like this are a pretty shameful way of using the Security Council and ridicule the organization.
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Postby Metania » Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:24 pm

That old penny has been tossed at the SC so many times as to render it an almost meaningless sentiment. :p
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Postby Tzorsland » Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:49 pm

The master enters the chamber. “What is this nonsense,” he replies as he walks towards the podium. “It is bad enough that this boring chamber is so boring that I only pop in weekly, but to find this? You have forced me to use my ultimate weapon in SC debates.” With that he steps back and blows a whistle. A shimmer appears around the podium but otherwise nothing special happens. “Ladies and gentlemen; I yield the floor to the First Husband of Retired Werepenguins, Flash Blonde. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.”

Suddenly someone steps out from behind (inside?) the podium. He is tall, muscular and BLOND.

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“Hi guys and gals, and any other strange and exotic beings,” he begins. “My name is Flash Blonde and I am the First Husband, which means my Wife is the Big Cheese, of Retired Werepenguins, a nation that was one of the gemstones in the Antarctic Oasis Region …”

(All of the AO delegates moan a sigh and shake their heads in disgust.)

“I have been told that there are some of you that want to revoke the very nifty commendation of the greatest region that ever was in the Antarctic; a region that authored 49 successful resolutions in total, within both the NSUN and NSWA. A region whose diplomatic are found in the Strangers’ Bar and that they have contributed greatly to the atmosphere and ambiance of that drinking establishment. A region that CURES CANCER! A region that CURES CANCER! Did I mention that the very region is a CURE FOR CANCER? Think of the children! Think of the Destructor Bunnies! Think of the Foul Mouthed Dolphins! Think of the Exploding Penguins! Think of how COLD IT IS. If you repeal that commendation you will free that mind numbing coldness into your very nations, your cities, your bathrooms. That’s right; try to do your daily constitutional when the temperature is forty below! Oh while I am at it I would like to bring up my Father in Law, who is a former First Husband; in fact the first First Husband of Retired Werepenguins.”

Another person steps out of the podium (clearly a well disguised TARDIS owned by The Master).

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“Where’s the booze, and the cigars, and the Thessadorian Ambassador,” he asks.

“Hopefully at the Stranger’s Bar,” Flash says. “Let’s go there.”

And with that, they leave and we return to your inane and boring arguments!

VOTE NO ON REPEAL! THINK OF THE PENGUINS!
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:09 pm

Think of the New Polar Order. Vote YES on the repeal :p
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Postby A mean old man » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:31 pm

It's what they want. It's what many of us want. I'm all for a conclusion on this front.

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Postby Mahaj » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:47 pm

I ah... someone lobby me.
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Postby Firstaria » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:14 pm

After a long talking with his parliament, the OVERLORD Daniel Mercury decided to vote FOR the repeal.

<< Indeed, even if the SC position is clearly undecided for this resolution, and this undecision is a rare case, we tried to find something that could have at least a minimum impact to our decision.
And we found this:

OVERLOOKS the other, less honorable contributions that members of Antarctic Oasis have made to the NSWA, such as:
• Soliciting bribes for votes
• Exploiting loopholes in passed legislation
• Employing gnomish war-bands and kamikaze penguins to keep compliance officials at bay;


We think this is just wrong. It pratically says that those points are not a minus factor when you have to decide if you want to commend a nation/region, while those are surely important matters. Since the resolution only says to "overlook" those thing, and this totally goes aganist the normal behavior of WA members, we decide and solicitates the WA members to repeal this resolution and cancel this precedent. >>
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Postby Alfetopia » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:25 am

Tzorsland wrote:“A region that CURES CANCER! A region that CURES CANCER! Did I mention that the very region is a CURE FOR CANCER?”


The people of The Democratic Republic of Alfetopia are swayed. We vote no.

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Postby Wanjestay » Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:42 am

Being superior to normal humans, not a single supernatural in Wanjestay has cancer. As such, we find the NO lobby to be lacking in persuasion, logic and marmite flavored sambuka shots.

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