Black Pride! (Yay.) Brown Pride! (Yay.) White Pride! (Punch)

[L3 Communications]

South Africa?

Go north and you'll find the countries I'm thinking of, South-Africans just get raped, killed, robbed or abused.

Rhodesians?

[Nazi Flower Power]

no such thing

I think not judging others based on arbitrary standards invented by our societies to marginalize other societies might be a good start.

That is not universal. Just ask the KKK.

[Vandengaarde]

I think not judging others based on arbitrary standards invented by our societies to marginalize other societies might be a good start.

That is not universal. Just ask the KKK.

Huh? I would say the KKK fits rather well in to his suggestion, since they use standards for American/European living against other races.

Unless I completely missed something.

[Nazi Flower Power]

That is not universal. Just ask the KKK.

Huh? I would say the KKK fits rather well in to his suggestion, since they use standards for American/European living against other races.

Unless I completely missed something.

But if it's universal, then everyone has to agree with it, even the KKK.

[Vandengaarde]

Huh? I would say the KKK fits rather well in to his suggestion, since they use standards for American/European living against other races.

Unless I completely missed something.

But if it's universal, then everyone has to agree with it, even the KKK.

Oh, that's what you meant....

[Respublika Goroda]

Huh? I would say the KKK fits rather well in to his suggestion, since they use standards for American/European living against other races.

Unless I completely missed something.

But if it's universal, then everyone has to agree with it, even the KKK.

Universal in that no one likes being treated like shit, so don't treat people like shit. You can be relative all you want about it, but generally speaking, The Golden Rule applies.

EDIT: Also, the KKK are wrong. Blacks can be civilized just as much as whites cans. Whites can be criminal filth just like blacks can. It's all about environment, and thus saying that whites are superior based on their genetic code has been proven incorrect. So in effect they are disagreeing with an ethical standard that is supported by science.

That is what I mean by "universal".

[Vandengaarde]

But if it's universal, then everyone has to agree with it, even the KKK.

Universal in that no one likes being treated like shit, so don't treat people like shit. You can be relative all you want about it, but generally speaking, The Golden Rule applies.

Speaking generally catches the wheels of society in ruts, my friend.

[Respublika Goroda]

Universal in that no one likes being treated like shit, so don't treat people like shit. You can be relative all you want about it, but generally speaking, The Golden Rule applies.

Speaking generally catches the wheels of society in ruts, my friend.

And so when my beliefs are widely adopted by society, it shall be the rebel that deposes them.

[Vandengaarde]

Speaking generally catches the wheels of society in ruts, my friend.

And so when my beliefs are widely adopted by society, it shall be the rebel that deposes them.

The rebel may very well be a genius if his cause is supported by a majority.
Also, prejudice is sometimes necessary, though not if it's based on race or religion or mental stability or looks or whatever.

[Respublika Goroda]

And so when my beliefs are widely adopted by society, it shall be the rebel that deposes them.

The rebel may very well be a genius if his cause is supported by a majority.
Also, prejudice is sometimes necessary, though not if it's based on race or religion or mental stability or looks or whatever.

As is generalization.

[Vandengaarde]

The rebel may very well be a genius if his cause is supported by a majority.
Also, prejudice is sometimes necessary, though not if it's based on race or religion or mental stability or looks or whatever.

As is generalization.

Except when you're applying something broad to the entire human population. Then it's just ridiculous.

[Respublika Goroda]

As is generalization.

Except when you're applying something broad to the entire human population. Then it's just ridiculous.

People like to be treated nicely regardless of who they are. That cannot be denied.

[Vandengaarde]

Except when you're applying something broad to the entire human population. Then it's just ridiculous.

People like to be treated nicely regardless of who they are. That cannot be denied.

Not exactly, some are gluttons for punishment.

(Just a side note, I felt an odd sense of deja vu when I typed that. And it was creepy.)

[Respublika Goroda]

People like to be treated nicely regardless of who they are. That cannot be denied.

Not exactly, some are gluttons for punishment.

(Just a side note, I felt an odd sense of deja vu when I typed that. And it was creepy.)

Perhaps. These are what we call "mentally ill". Or what I call, anyway. And yes, I judge people by my standard of right and wrong, and as such I'm a cruel, horrid fascist.

And that's interesting. Never had a deja vu over NS. Perhaps your dreams are becoming a little too rhetoric-centric?

[Vandengaarde]

Not exactly, some are gluttons for punishment.

(Just a side note, I felt an odd sense of deja vu when I typed that. And it was creepy.)

Perhaps. These are what we call "mentally ill". Or what I call, anyway. And yes, I judge people by my standard of right and wrong, and as such I'm a cruel, horrid fascist.

And that's interesting. Never had a deja vu over NS. Perhaps your dreams are becoming a little too rhetoric-centric?

And just a horrid person in general.

And the deja vu was from talking about gluttons for punishment and stuff, I don't know why. It was, as I said, awkward.

Also, I'm off for the night, so don't expect the hasty responses you've been getting.

[Respublika Goroda]

Perhaps. These are what we call "mentally ill". Or what I call, anyway. And yes, I judge people by my standard of right and wrong, and as such I'm a cruel, horrid fascist.

And that's interesting. Never had a deja vu over NS. Perhaps your dreams are becoming a little too rhetoric-centric?

And just a horrid person in general.

And the deja vu was from talking about gluttons for punishment and stuff, I don't know why. It was, as I said, awkward.

Also, I'm off for the night, so don't expect the hasty responses you've been getting.

G'night!

[Nazi Flower Power]

Universal in that no one likes being treated like shit, so don't treat people like shit. You can be relative all you want about it, but generally speaking, The Golden Rule applies.

EDIT: Also, the KKK are wrong. Blacks can be civilized just as much as whites cans. Whites can be criminal filth just like blacks can. It's all about environment, and thus saying that whites are superior based on their genetic code has been proven incorrect. So in effect they are disagreeing with an ethical standard that is supported by science.

That is what I mean by "universal".

Morality doesn't have to be scientific. There's no scientific evidence that believing in Jesus makes you a better person, yet millions of Christians continue to believe that it does.

I find the KKK rather stupid and unpleasant, but moral values with no scientific support are still moral values no matter how much you or I dislike them. Not everyone shares your definitions of "civilized" and "criminal filth."

[Respublika Goroda]

Universal in that no one likes being treated like shit, so don't treat people like shit. You can be relative all you want about it, but generally speaking, The Golden Rule applies.

EDIT: Also, the KKK are wrong. Blacks can be civilized just as much as whites cans. Whites can be criminal filth just like blacks can. It's all about environment, and thus saying that whites are superior based on their genetic code has been proven incorrect. So in effect they are disagreeing with an ethical standard that is supported by science.

That is what I mean by "universal".

Morality doesn't have to be scientific. There's no scientific evidence that believing in Jesus makes you a better person, yet millions of Christians continue to believe that it does.

I find the KKK rather stupid and unpleasant, but moral values with no scientific support are still moral values no matter how much you or I dislike them. Not everyone shares your definitions of "civilized" and "criminal filth."

But I think enough people would that one could certainly build a working society from my standards. One without the KKK, for example.

I'm rather aware of the subjectivity of morality, so there's no need to remind me of that, though I thank you for the attempt. I've come to my conclusions regarding the concept of ethics, and though they are subject to change, I'm also willing to let them solidify to an extent. For example, criminal filth includes unrepentant thrillkillers and rapists that act out of hedonistic pleasure. Civilized people put the common good and the good of others above their personal gain. My view. No need to try to prove otherwise.

[Vandengaarde]

Morality doesn't have to be scientific. There's no scientific evidence that believing in Jesus makes you a better person, yet millions of Christians continue to believe that it does.

I find the KKK rather stupid and unpleasant, but moral values with no scientific support are still moral values no matter how much you or I dislike them. Not everyone shares your definitions of "civilized" and "criminal filth."

But I think enough people would that one could certainly build a working society from my standards. One without the KKK, for example.

I'm rather aware of the subjectivity of morality, so there's no need to remind me of that, though I thank you for the attempt. I've come to my conclusions regarding the concept of ethics, and though they are subject to change, I'm also willing to let them solidify to an extent. For example, criminal filth includes unrepentant thrillkillers and rapists that act out of hedonistic pleasure. Civilized people put the common good and the good of others above their personal gain. My view. No need to try to prove otherwise.

Except since everyone has different views on it, saying yours applies to everyone when you acknowledge it doesn't is kind of...hypocritical.

[ALMF]

There's that cherry picking again. Well, regardless of your opinion, the White Pride movement arose as protest against the civil rights movement and Black Pride. Deny that all you want.

Actually, it dates back to at least the 19th century and was a reaction against the abolitionist movement and the Civil War.

That said, white pride =/= white pride movement. I think this is the root of a lot of the bickering in this thread -- people are talking about 2 different things. Having white pride is just being proud of who and what you are. Being active in the white pride movement is racist and dumb.

I bleave the problem is the statement, "white pride =/= white pride movement" is false in practice: although true in theory.

[ALMF]

Universal in that no one likes being treated like shit, so don't treat people like shit. You can be relative all you want about it, but generally speaking, The Golden Rule applies.

EDIT: Also, the KKK are wrong. Blacks can be civilized just as much as whites cans. Whites can be criminal filth just like blacks can. It's all about environment, and thus saying that whites are superior based on their genetic code has been proven incorrect. So in effect they are disagreeing with an ethical standard that is supported by science.

That is what I mean by "universal".

Morality doesn't have to be scientific. There's no scientific evidence that believing in Jesus makes you a better person, yet millions of Christians continue to believe that it does.

I find the KKK rather stupid and unpleasant, but moral values with no scientific support are still moral values no matter how much you or I dislike them. Not everyone shares your definitions of "civilized" and "criminal filth."

you jest proved his point the Cristians you mentioned are jest as wrong. See Richard Dalckins and {ill add the rest of the sources win i get back to my library}, faith seems to generate not suppress criminality. (this is true regardless of the religion)

[Teccor]

Morality doesn't have to be scientific. There's no scientific evidence that believing in Jesus makes you a better person, yet millions of Christians continue to believe that it does.

I find the KKK rather stupid and unpleasant, but moral values with no scientific support are still moral values no matter how much you or I dislike them. Not everyone shares your definitions of "civilized" and "criminal filth."

you jest proved his point the Cristians you mentioned are jest as wrong. See Richard Dalckins and {ill add the rest of the sources win i get back to my library}, faith seems to generate not suppress criminality. (this is true regardless of the religion)

Objective: Lrn2spel
Requirements: None
Reward: Increased Self Esteem, Tacos
[Accept Quest?] 

[Pakakwai]

But if it's universal, then everyone has to agree with it, even the KKK.

Universal in that no one likes being treated like shit, so don't treat people like shit. You can be relative all you want about it, but generally speaking, The Golden Rule applies.

EDIT: Also, the KKK are wrong. Blacks can be civilized just as much as whites cans. Whites can be criminal filth just like blacks can. It's all about environment, and thus saying that whites are superior based on their genetic code has been proven incorrect. So in effect they are disagreeing with an ethical standard that is supported by science.

That is what I mean by "universal".

The first thing is that the KKK are evil and racist, but that isn't a reason to look down at their religion. Most Christians are not racist.
Also some Antheists say that

Whites come from chimpanzees and blacks come from Orangutans, therefore because chimpanzees are smarter, so are whites.

So don't bring racism into science.

[Nazi Flower Power]

But I think enough people would that one could certainly build a working society from my standards. One without the KKK, for example.

I'm rather aware of the subjectivity of morality, so there's no need to remind me of that, though I thank you for the attempt. I've come to my conclusions regarding the concept of ethics, and though they are subject to change, I'm also willing to let them solidify to an extent. For example, criminal filth includes unrepentant thrillkillers and rapists that act out of hedonistic pleasure. Civilized people put the common good and the good of others above their personal gain. My view. No need to try to prove otherwise.

There isn't anything wrong with your moral standards. The problem is you will never weed out the people who disagree with you. There will always be people in every society who make arbitrary judgements of others. If you don't have the KKK you will have the NSDAP or al Qaida or some other collection of nutbags. You cannot build a society that does not have such people. The best you can do is keep them out of power.

[Vandengaarde]

But I think enough people would that one could certainly build a working society from my standards. One without the KKK, for example.

I'm rather aware of the subjectivity of morality, so there's no need to remind me of that, though I thank you for the attempt. I've come to my conclusions regarding the concept of ethics, and though they are subject to change, I'm also willing to let them solidify to an extent. For example, criminal filth includes unrepentant thrillkillers and rapists that act out of hedonistic pleasure. Civilized people put the common good and the good of others above their personal gain. My view. No need to try to prove otherwise.

There isn't anything wrong with your moral standards. The problem is you will never weed out the people who disagree with you. There will always be people in every society who make arbitrary judgements of others. If you don't have the KKK you will have the NSDAP or al Qaida or some other collection of nutbags. You cannot build a society that does not have such people. The best you can do is keep them out of power.

Unless you're a centrist, like me, because you can always find something you agree on with people.