Nation States College Football (NSCF) Discussion Thread

[Drawkland]

Big Eight and Mineral are still waiting on MD3 scores. TGed Drawk earlier this morning but we’re well over 36 hours late on the games.

Since Drawk seems to be out-of-province and unable to be reached, as far as I'm aware, scorination will be held back a MD - meaning that MD4 will be held this sunday.

Yeah, sorry about that. Unprecedented lack of wifi on a short vacation. Results are up and we'll be back on a normal schedule plan as Queb has identified.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

Big Eight and Mineral are still waiting on MD3 scores. TGed Drawk earlier this morning but we’re well over 36 hours late on the games.

Since Drawk seems to be out-of-province and unable to be reached, as far as I'm aware, scorination will be held back a MD - meaning that MD4 will be held this sunday.

Yeah, sorry about that. Unprecedented lack of wifi on a short vacation. Results are up and we'll be back on a normal schedule plan as Queb has identified.

I rode the Greyhound back to college a few times, once on the day after Xmas on the "milk run" where we made stops at every wide place in the road for 150 miles. Good times

[Banija]

Cutoff is delayed till tonight (obviously at this point) for my conferences. I apologize for the inconvenience.

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

Since Banija has yet to scorinate his results, I will delay the MD6 scorination until Sunday, while I wait for Banija to post MD5 results either tonight or tomorrow night.

[Banija]

OK amigos... Obviously, we've had an RP problem during the regular season this time around- something that we can all recognize. I, myself, of course, am a part of this problem. But I think, that structurally... We can find a way to better incentivize. HEre are the rough proposals I have for discussions, and I'll draft formal amendments when the time comes(end of the playoffs) to implement them in time for NSCF 21.

#1 RP Bonus degradation and Reset- Elimination of those in favor of purely cumulative RP bonus throughout the entirety of the NSCF season

I know that we've been doing this for a while, and it's existed as long as I've been around. Not only since I joined NSCF with Banija back in NSCF 12(wow!), but even in my first stint in the NSCF with Silver Beach(NSCF 2-4), I believe that this was a rule. I think that this acts as a disincentive to RP for both returning nations and new nations.

The degradation, upon reconsideration of it, doesn't make that much sense. Cutting off half of RP bonus every few matchdays just devalues hard work done for the competition. That said, if you compare it to other NS Sport competitions, I can't think of another one with as harsh as a RP bonus degradation such as ours, or having a straight up RP bonus reset over halfway through the competition. I think it's time we did away with the degradation, we did away with the RP bonus reset, and adopt cumulative RP bonus for the entirety of the competition, like the vast majority of competitions in NS Sport.

#2 Multiple Conference Hosts

Now, this concerns how we host conferences. I don't think, at our size, there is a need for three people to host the competition. 36 schools from 30 or so nations is quite a few, of course, but it is not an overwhelming number for a single host. Looking at the World Baseball Classic as an example, the tournament usually has somewhere between 36 and 48 teams, playing on 10 separate scorination dates- done with a singular host. And when you look at the fact that you have 17 total matchdays in the NSCF (10 regular season, 3 out of conference, 4 playoffs), and coupled with the fact hat there are no scorinations on back to back days, I think it is totally reasonable to have one scorinator for the entirety of the NSCF.

Like a major tournament, keeping one host would make things far easier and more simplified, and with the workload of the NSCF in terms of both RP and number of teams/players, it is certainly possible to have a successful NSCF with a single host. How that host would be chosen? WE'd have to discuss it- the Commissioner could appoint with the approval of the NSCF Committee. I'd also be up for having one person scorinate all the regular season games, and another scorinate all the OOC/postseason games(as long as, of course, the RP bonus is carried over). I think the adoption of those two things can help increase participation in the competition, and generally just improve it for the long-term.

A penny for your thoughts

[Drawkland]

#1 RP Bonus degradation and Reset- Elimination of those in favor of purely cumulative RP bonus throughout the entirety of the NSCF season

I wasn't around when the NSCF was created obviously, but I'm sure the degradation was implemented to kinda incentivise those who RP'd the entirety of the season as opposed to those who drop some in the early season and coasts until the postseason. (not that I'd know anything about that...)

Anyway, that's all well and good when you have a bunch of people RP'ing all season and a bunch who don't, but in a more scarce RP environment like we have this time around, it does kinda punish people who did at least RP a little bit. In any case, people who RP all season still get loads of bonus (one MD's bonus can theoretically outdo the #1 team's ranking points after all). Eliminating the bonus degrade in the conference stage would at least make sure those that RP'd a little bit at all are a little leg up over those that haven't posted anything.

So yeah, I support this. But I'm not an old head so what do I know

#2 Multiple Conference Hosts

I agree with this in principle - less hosts is fine. I would think having 2 hosts full stop would be a good idea though, to avoid hosts having to score their own schools (since that's one of things that's been hard and fast regarding hosting here. Just splitting it down halfway would be fine, or maybe just one to scorinate the "main host's" conference only, and a similar situation for the OOC/playoffs.

Basically either 2 hosts splitting it halfway or just one main host and a designated 3PS, that's my two cents.

As for the problem of not much RPing this time around - I'm guilty as charged of course, but on the other hand, it's the offseason. The college football hype isn't really happening right now, so that may play into effort, or something. As a whole I've noticed a lot of events have kinda been lacking on RPs ... but I feel like that from some sort of larger overarching factor that's hard to diagnose or treat.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

This is actually a complete coincidence that I'm following Banj on this topic. I just got done doing my first truly serious effort for this edition. And I have my hand raised high too, as I've coasted through a lot of this season.

I'm getting motivated because everything I'm in--SWC, DBC, AOCAF, NSCF--is all converging right now. I've done more serious RP in the last couple of days than I've done in the last month.
But this is a good competition and I'd hate to see it sort of die a slow death b/c there weren't enough participants.

And now I've just seen Drawk's thing too, and yeah, co-hosts would work.

[Ranoria]

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Actually, I totally agree with you here. And honesty I’m with you on the RPing. I’ve had a lot going on but being able to coast through really isn’t fair to others when they’re trying to get a foothold in the tournament. I like both of these proposals. I’ve actually been thinking about the total reset, and how it kind of makes the regular season less enticing to RP during.

[One Jamaica]

With this being my second season, I don't really have much say in the proposals at hand. The decline of my RP is mainly due to its the same 3 or 4 ppl out of how many participants. Anything to keep this great thing going, I'm all for it.

[Sajnur]

Confirmed!
Wanna visit Stoneshore College on the first week of nonconference? (Week 11)



My schedule as it stands

RCU @ Loyola-Istria
RCU @ Richardson
Xannerian Polytechnic @ RCU



Kandonica National Military Institute @ Stoneshore (unconfirmed)
Stoneshore @ Bowestone
OPEN

Confirmed

11 @ Stoneshore
12 Open
13 Opne

Super late, I know, but University of Javoser is open for the Week 13 slot

[Osarius]

Full disclosure: I'm not actually on the committee any more so I can't vote for or against any proposal here, for what it's worth. But I think it's important to explain the rationale, and the potential fallout... which I'm not sure has been considered here. I might also be somewhat biased since I technically wrote these rules, albeit with input from the early committee back in like...season 5 or something. It's been a long time. Heh.

Also, I wouldn't call either suggestion here *bad*, but I do think there's more to both of these situations than one might think at first glance, and these things should be considered before proposing amendments to the list. If an update *is* required to the procedural list, just let me know. Probs best to tag me on discord tho

#1 RP Bonus degradation and Reset- Elimination of those in favor of purely cumulative RP bonus throughout the entirety of the NSCF season

This is actually a thing for two reasons:
1. Originally, it was a full reset every week, which was considered too harsh. The single full reset was kept as a means to incentivise coasting teams RPing the playoffs at the very least.
2. The max RP bonus for a single matchday is almost 75% of the max possible rank (which itself is damn near impossible to reach). Without any degradation of RP bonus, it becomes easier for returning teams to coast on a strong roster and an early RP or two. Admittedly, this might not quite be working as intended, but it's hard to tell. What I know for certain is that you can't really compare it to other tournaments with existing ranks and cumulative bonus, because of this huge RP bonus potential, which dwarfs max rank a quarter of the way into the competition (max RP bonus including degradation at MD4 -- of a typical 16/17 game season including playoffs -- is 12.5).

For perspective: the highest possible rank a team can have, if they won every single game over three seasons, is 7.0; the total available RP bonus after matchday three, including degradation, is 7.5. Higher if hosts give additional bonuses for rosters (which is entirely discretionary). Typically, the number one ranked team tends to come into a season with a rank between 5.5 and 6.0, iirc. That's little more than a single max bonus RP, and roughly equivalent to two "average" RPs. The gap is fairly easily closed, and the degradation only narrows it as the season progresses.

I think if you opt to move to a purely cumulative RP bonus, you will either need to reduce maximum RP bonus -- which, btw, is a emphasised in sign-ups specifically because of its equalising potential -- which becomes a case of finding the correct balance... Or eliminate/adjust ranks. I haven't crunched the numbers on either of these, so that's up to you guys to figure out.

#2 Multiple Conference Hosts

There isn't actually a rule on the number of hosts for the regular season, besides users not being allowed to scorinate conferences with their own teams (003d).
The only explicit rule on the number of hosts is regarding the playoffs, in an attempt to ensure neutral scorination:

(006f) The playoffs are to be scorinated by at least two persons, if they have teams in the most recent season of NSCF, or one neutral third-party.
(006f-1) In the event that the two persons scorinating the playoffs control one each of the teams in the Championship game, a third party scorinator should be found.

Typically, multiple hosts were preferred for the regular season (as noted in clause 003c) as a way to get more people hosting experience, though. The by-product of this being that more people are invested, and likely to stick around.

I would recommend a minimum of two hosts per season no matter what, personally. With third-party scorination called in as required, for transparency's sake. Otherwise, again, you will be required to make further changes to the procedural list (most notably, the remove/amendment of at least three related clauses mentioned above).

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

Full disclosure: I'm not actually on the committee any more so I can't vote for or against any proposal here, for what it's worth. But I think it's important to explain the rationale, and the potential fallout... which I'm not sure has been considered here. I might also be somewhat biased since I technically wrote these rules, albeit with input from the early committee back in like...season 5 or something. It's been a long time. Heh.

Also, I wouldn't call either suggestion here *bad*, but I do think there's more to both of these situations than one might think at first glance, and these things should be considered before proposing amendments to the list. If an update *is* required to the procedural list, just let me know. Probs best to tag me on discord tho

I think you certainly qualify as Emeritus status for discussion about the procedural list.

I think if you opt to move to a purely cumulative RP bonus, you will either need to reduce maximum RP bonus -- which, btw, is a emphasised in sign-ups specifically because of its equalising potential -- which becomes a case of finding the correct balance... Or eliminate/adjust ranks. I haven't crunched the numbers on either of these, so that's up to you guys to figure out.

I think that someone who has a bit of time could simulate these elements in a small scale test to evaluate the differences. I'm not volunteering at this point, and not saying that anyone Has to do it...

I would recommend a minimum of two hosts per season no matter what, personally. With third-party scorination called in as required, for transparency's sake. Otherwise, again, you will be required to make further changes to the procedural list (most notably, the remove/amendment of at least three related clauses mentioned above).

Agreed, it can be figured out without having to make massive changes.

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

Alright, folks.

So I'll be out of town from Wednesday morning to Friday afternoon and while I'll be active online, am going to be very busy tending to my convocation on the other side of Southern Ontario. So, in order to make sure that I don't fudge up the organisation process, expect me to release the nonconference fixtures and the list of approved and rejected bowl games by Friday morning.

The nonconference games, as requested by myself, are going to be scorinated by Cosumar this Sunday.

[Ranoria]

Did we ever even get a host bid?

And those go in here, right, not the main thread?

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

Official NSCF organiser announcement - Due to all sorts of preparation for next 2 months I'll be spending in Republic of Korea, I won't be able to do much until tomorrow morning when I have plenty of time at Toronto Airport. I'll get to nonconference fixtures at the earliest convenient time but no cutoff until Tuesday.

Did we ever even get a host bid?

And those go in here, right, not the main thread?

To your questions, No and Yes.

[Ranoria]

Here’s one

Ranoria: Bid for NSCF XX Championship Game
Location: Ranoria City, Ranoria
Venue: Karmin-Falce Superdome
Capacity: 121,450
Information: Ranoria City is by far the largest city in Ranoria, with 1.4 million more people than the next largest, and 2.1 million more than the capitol city of Richardson. The City's economy lives off of tourist attractions such as the Karmin-Falce auto manufacturer-sponsored superdome, the largest and, considered by most, the best in Ranoria. The Superdome features a retractable roof, a large selection of food and drink, air conditioning, and even designated smoking areas. The Stadium sports multiple screens that are locked in on the action, helping those in the higher parts of the stadium to see what's going on. Besides this, seats in the stadium offer a small amount of cushion, along with reclining ability and the option for heat, which is probably the most enjoyed feature in the stadium. Ticket prices are higher than most venues, but kept lower than they would be otherwise for such a luxurious venue. This is because of the constant action in the stadium, with two collegiate football teams, a professional football team, and multiple other squads that use the venue. As such, while it is generally only filled to capacity for bigger events, the sheer volume of patrons keeps the place affordable.

Beyond the stadium itself, Ranoria City holds a so-called 'public pool,' which is, in reality, a massive, artificial lake in which recreations of naval battles and sporting competitions are held. For international viewers, this would provide another unique experience to entertain themselves while waiting for the big game. Ranoria City has agreed to foot the cost of hotels, quality food and drink, etc, as the cash influx will likely be of more benefit than footing such costs would be a toll.

The Superdome has also been the home of the Karmin-Falce Auto Bowl for a few years now, and hosted he NSCF 17 championship game. It would be no stretch to say that a second championship game would cement the city as one of the more prominent locations for the NSCF, at least in regards to those that do not host a school. That being said, Ranoria State, who plays in the stadium, has been vying for a slot in the tournament for a couple of years now, so that could all change.

[NSCF]

Hello all. Quebec typing this at Toronto Airport...I'll be back in 18 hours at my parents' place in Seoul, Korea. Anyways, two things:

First, the deadline for NSCF Championship Game venue has now passed, with one bid from Ranoria for Karmin-Falce Superdome. I will TG those eligible for the vote in 18-21 hours' time.

Second, the fixtures for nonconference games are now updated in the OP. Please let me know if any's missed.

[Banija]

I know I've been slow in RP, but I'm gonna try and pick it back up for the non-conference and the postseason, of course.

That said, I do plan on getting a list of Banija's top 5 HS prospects out, sorry I haven't yet. I probably wont' be able to do so until the weekend, however, so keep an eye out.

[Cosumar]

My cutoff time for the Non-Conference weeks will be between 6 and 7 PM ET.

First round of games will be scorinated Thursday (tomorrow). I recommend double-checking the OP to make sure all your games are listed properly.

[Ranoria]

Cold Hill:
1- @ XPI
2- vs Saguenay
3- vs Bowerstone


Richardson:
1- vs Baker Park
2- vs Ramusok Capital
3- @ Loyola-Istria Lightning Yard

Schedules are ready!

Games were listed incorrectly I believe. Will update this post with what needs corrected

All three of Richardson’s games are listed as away. The first two are home, and then the Loyola game is away.

I don’t see Cold Hill’s game against Bowerstone listed either.

[NSCF]

Hello all. Sorry for delays- RL has been very busy around me, as of late.

I should expect the overall NSCF rankings and OSPI to be around in 24 hours' time, after which a TG will be sent.

[Banija]

When is cutoff for the first round? Tomorrow? Or is it Thursday?

[Cosumar]

When is cutoff for the first round? Tomorrow? Or is it Thursday?

Was planning to score bowl games and the first round tomorrow - in the same time window as my non-conference cutoffs.

However, since we're already off the planned schedule, there's room for flexibility. If multiple people would rather delay starting the playoffs to Thursday, I have no objection to that.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

well, Banj and Ranoria for the title again. Congrats to both.

[Cosumar]

well, Banj and Ranoria for the title again. Congrats to both.

Echoing this. Couldn't be more well-deserved. Banija and Ranoria have been the lifeblood of NSCF for the last few seasons with their consistent and excellent RP. Still plenty of drama to see which of their four programs will take home the crown this time!