Freedom teams war room

by **Finnian Bastada** » Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:23 am

Alright freedom team this is the only time i will be posting in here as I am not on your team. I welcome you to The New Pacific Empire and hope you enjoy the wargames we are hosting. please let me know of any issues you may experience. so the basic goals of the attackers are: attackers must capture 3 deep water ports.
attackers must secure missile sites in the area's around Boise, Spokane, Missoula.

it would be helpful if you elected a nation to speak for the team with me if any issues arise and finally the war games are to take place in and around civilian populations so we must ask you not to use live ammo any where in the operations area all teams will be issued MILES XXI training gear and we ask that all units have them active at all time during the games.

by **Novostrosia** » Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:41 am

Alright, me and Ta ka au already had a small talk about this.

As I don't have that many units I was thinking my two divisions could garrison two of the targets and entrench there, while my Special Forces recon and call in strikes from my self-propelled artillery. And don't hesitate to call in artillery if you find the enemy.

Edit:

ORBAT as follows:

by **Delkor** » Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:44 am

Greetings Freedom Team! I am Admiral Corimeir, commanding the 4th Fleet in the Delkorian Imperial Navy. I suggest that we list our forces (or link to them), so we can begin to plan strategy. My force is mostly a naval defense force, and not much good for ground actions. I can split my fleet into two groups: Group 401 can defend one harbor, while Group 403 can act as a fast-response force to counter other enemy groups.

Click Here for Fleet listings and images.

Also, I propose that we form a joint-command. This way we can better organize out forces. All our navy groups would follow a single commander. Ground forces would do the same.
I will stage Group 401 in the bay just north of Seattle, with subs guarding the entrance north of Vancouver and east of Victoria. Group 403 will patrol off the coast between Eugene? (hard to read map) and Vancouver Island.

by **Madox** » Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:38 pm

hey fellow team members I look forward to seeing what you are all capable of. just a few things to start of the discussion, first who is familiar with the AO? (I know it pretty well I live in portland in rl so yeah i would hope i knew it.) I think we need to focus on keeping liberty from the ports they need them to win so we need to have some one watching astoria oregon, pudget sound, the Vancouver area and the smaller bays along the oregon and northern california coast with some one in san fransico bay as well.i think we should each have an area of responsibility that includes one of the major ports. (ie I would like to take the astoria area) from what finnian has told me the maps we are using will all be exactly as they are in real life so go ahead and do some quick google searches for maps of the oregon, northern california, washington, british columbia and southern Alaskan coasts so we now what we have to defend. then if they do make it to land we need to do the samething with those states and the state of idaho. I also suggest we elect commanders for our coalition I would put my name down for ground forces or supreme commander, and would support delkor as commander of our navel forces. I am unsure as to whom I would support for air force commander. while i think we need commanders i realize each country needs to have control of their forces I don't want you controlling mine and i don't want to control yours. the commanders would just need to keep a higher situational awareness of their area of responsibility to help keep all of us focused. any ways this has turned into a huge essay so i am going to post my orbat and be done

Holy Empire of Madox's ORBAT

by **Delkor** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:57 am

I would be happy to command our Navel forces. Also, here is a basic tactical map I have put together. My carrier group will station in Vancouver Bay, just north of Seattle, with my SPN submarines blockading the bay (small dots on map). Combat Groups 403 and 404 will follow the patrol line on the map, with Group 402's subs (cruise missile subs) taking up positions just beyond that line.

Please feel free to add your own forces (sea, air, land) to the map, and re-post it here. I agree that we should each pick a seaport to defend. Also, each nation will still control their own forces. As overall commander, I would simply issue orders to my allies for co-ordinated fleet movements, such as a counter attack or to send reinforcements.

by **Remedean** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:55 pm

If no one has already been picked i would like to be supreme commander of air forces. Also i think it may be a good idea to divide the region into three or four parts and equally distribute our forces among the parts.

by **Novostrosia** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:04 pm

Seeing as I unfamiliar with the area (just had a look with google earth) I'm willing to defer the exact deployment of my forces to someone with more knowledge than me.

What srikes me, looking at the mission objectives is that they say the enemy has to capture three unspecified deepwater ports. Looking at how huge the map is I wonder, how many options do they have? Are there lots of deepwater ports in the area (my guess is yes, but again, I'm not familiar with the area).

by **Delkor** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:02 pm

I've been going by the map provided by Finnian Bastada (see my previous post). Unless you want to choose your operational area (Navy only), I can assign areas.

Oh, and I agree with Remedean about dividing into different areas. Perhaps three areas: North, Central, and South.

EDIT:

Updated Tactical map. Here is my proposal:

Remedean, stage your carrier group behind the middle of my patrol line (see map). Here, the carrier aircraft can provide air cover for my submarine operations.

Madox, I suggest that you have your Oscar subs take up positions similar to my missile subs (same as oscars). Their, they can lie in wait for enemy ships to pass. Also, your Virginia's can assume a patrol line behind the Oscar line, to watch for 'enemy' ships/subs. Have your Seawolf's take up position at Eugene(?), where they can respond to any 'enemy' movement in the South area.

Opionions/sugestions?

by **Remedean** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:16 pm

Yea that sounds good to me while my carrier giving you air cover your subs can do their thing. If we do divide the oceania into three parts we would have to assign certain people to each area. Also quick question are air force units gonna be use for inland air defence or will they back up the aircraft carrier's planes?

by **Delkor** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:20 pm

Carrier-based planes will provide fleet protection, while ground-based planes secure air-superiority.

by **Remedean** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:30 pm

Ok. So if were just about done getting the naval forces set up, should we start talking about setting up the ground forces/ air bases?
ORBAT

by **Ta ka au** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:08 pm

I am new to war games but have a large force committed to the defenses team I think we should vote on who the over commander is and the ground force command should be different from naval command
We shouldn't spread our force we should focus on defending the objectives and harassing the invasion fleet I also think that we should have joint airbases and naval task forces.

ORBAT

by **Ta ka au** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:24 pm

Nation who have a large land force we need to communicate where would our resource would be best put to use in the defense of the region via telegram

by **Ta ka au** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:09 pm

We really need to discuss our defense plans because time is running out

by **Jagalonia** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:02 pm

I didn't devote a whole lot of troops, but we have enough artillery to guard a good chunk of the coast, and gunships to mop up the survivors, Also, a collective tally of the entire defence team's ORBAT would be nice to work with. Also, Delkor, we should probably anticipate an attack in the far north, rather than streching our forces out, we should probably draw a line around the middle of your patroll area, and bring it straight across, fill it with infantry, IFV's and tanks.

My artillery was brought here to be stationed along the coast to bombard enemy ships, i will leave it to whoever commands the ground forces to place them, the average range among them is around 12km, and they can fire off 10-15rpm, depending on how fast the crew is, and how hot the gun is. All my units are highly trained in mobile warfare, kind of an experimental unit in a way, as the command centers are completely mobile. Also, my gunships will, for all intents and purposes, be treated as ground forces, because they are low-flying and carry very few ATA rockets.

by **Anemos Major** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:08 pm

by **Delkor** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:27 am

Updated TacMap is available. Feel free to add air/ground forces to the map and repost it.

Ta ka au, have your Virginia's take up the patrol line for the North sector, and devide your Seawolf's into two groups of eight, one at each end of the line (see map). Have your two amphib ships take up station just behind the center of your line, for cammand-control and to support ground forces as needed.

All, Any surface ships not assigned yet will take up a defensive line (green on map) to provide air defense protection for the submarine forces, as well as to defend against enemy attacks. While they may attack from the north (hence Ta ka au's Seawolfs being deployed there), we need to be preparred for other possible attacks.

by **Remedean** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:49 pm

Ok so i updated the Tacmaphttp://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy18/Jason4545/PACIFICA-2-1.jpg to include my ground unites and my three airbases. The big orange spots are airbases and the smaller dots are ground units

by **Novostrosia** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:53 pm

Ok, I'll fortify my two divisions at Spokane and Missoula with my artillery divided 50/50 between them. My special forces will be spread around the countryside west of Spokane. They will focus on roads and important intersections.

by **Jagalonia** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:17 pm

Okay, Hold on a sec there guys, What exactly are we defending THAT far north?

We should just cut a line across where Delkor's line ends, and fortify it heavily. that way, if they do try a landing in the north, they won't be able to get at the inland targets.

We're here to defend key targets, not the entire land mass, lets not waste resources.

by **Ta ka au** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:23 pm

Here is my update tactical map with my ground troop placements the large gray circles are airforce bases

by **Delkor** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:49 pm

Jagalonia wrote:Okay, Hold on a sec there guys, What exactly are we defending THAT far north?

We should just cut a line across where Delkor's line ends, and fortify it heavily. that way, if they do try a landing in the north, they won't be able to get at the inland targets.

We're here to defend key targets, not the entire land mass, lets not waste resources.

If we can keep their forces bottled up in the north and/or water, we can prevent ANY landings.

To All submarine commanders NOT assigned on a patrol line: I recommend that once you have assumed positions, stop all your engines and go full silent. Also, preload your torpedo tubes if possible, and open outer doors. This way we can surprise any enemy ships that cross area.

by **Ta ka au** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:13 am

If we cut our defense there we give them a open landing zone which would give them a foothold and if they land a invasion in California they could trap us in a pincer. So my units up their will delay any landing in Alaska secondly those are my troops so I can place them where I want like you can place your force where Delkors line ends if you that what you want to do that

by **Jagalonia** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:35 pm

Ta ka au wrote:If we cut our defense there we give them a open landing zone which would give them a foothold and if they land a invasion in California they could trap us in a pincer. So my units up their will delay any landing in Alaska secondly those are my troops so I can place them where I want like you can place your force where Delkors line ends if you that what you want to do that

1: If we moved those ships in the north down to the south, they wouldn't be able to land there, we cripple/destroy anything that moves in there, then push back, if they lose most of their forces they will be forced to retreat.

2: We're already forced to spread out as it is, if they concentrate on one area, we're dead. so why give them that assurance?

3: I'm not telling you where to place your fleet, I'm questioning your positioning and proposing a better plan.

by **Madox** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:42 am

Ta ka au wrote:If we cut our defense there we give them a open landing zone which would give them a foothold and if they land a invasion in California they could trap us in a pincer. So my units up their will delay any landing in Alaska secondly those are my troops so I can place them where I want like you can place your force where Delkors line ends if you that what you want to do that

Alright Finnian and I had a conversation the map is to be set up as it is in real life meaning Alaska would be a retarded place to land due to the complete lack of roads into the interior from the southern coast. so we do not need units in Alaska it is a dead end and waste of troops, if you have the idea that you have to defend Alaska do so with submarines not marines and boots on the ground that is a waste of troops. now I stated in the actual RP my troops are based in Oregon just over the coast range as reinforcements it would be great if one of the nations with a more traditional dig in and hold doctrine would dig in above some of the key beaches and cities. when/if the assault comes in Oregon I will provide immediate support (my army is a mobile force) actually Jagalonia if you are artillery heavy like you stated why don't we work together as the defending forces of Oregon.

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