"Boring, everyday pastor says it might not have been a cross

[Imsogone]

This man, a Christian minister, says that it's entirely possible that Christ (if indeed he existed) may not have died on a cross - it might have been some other form of execution altogether.

Most shockingly, however, he states (oh, blasphemy and heresy) that people should read what the Bible actually says and not what they want it to say!

Clearly, this man is undermining Christianity with his careful research, attention to details and demands that Christians exercise intellectual honesty!

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/l ... 2F19530666

[Islamic Hazarastan]

Christ did not die. My belief, at least.

[Ashmoria]

if "cross" is good enough for st paul, its good enough for me.

[Maurepas]

I recall seeing a sect of Christianity that had him on a stake rather than a cross once, I just can't quite put my finger on who it was.

Not to mention, the translation has been done so many times, I'm sure a similar treatment could be done to nearly every word in the Bible, tbqh.

[Conserative Morality]

if "cross" is good enough for st paul, its good enough for me.

You mean this?

[JuNii]

I like this. arguing on HOW Jesus died and not the fact that He died for our sins.

[Ashmoria]

if "cross" is good enough for st paul, its good enough for me.

You mean this?

wow did st paul draw that? he's pretty good.

it does seem to have a few location inaccuracies though...

[Imsogone]

I like this. arguing on HOW Jesus died and not the fact that He died for our sins.

I think the issue here is about intellectual honesty. How he died is interesting and proves nothing. But the idea that so many people think that questioning how he died undermines Christianity proves a great deal - about modern Christians.

[Maurepas]

I like this. arguing on HOW Jesus died and not the fact that He died for our sins.

Are you sure you want to get into a discussion of whether he died for our sins?

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

I like this. arguing on HOW Jesus died and not the fact that He died for our sins.

I think the issue here is about intellectual honesty. How he died is interesting and proves nothing. But the idea that so many people think that questioning how he died undermines Christianity proves a great deal - about modern Christians.

...many critics in the blogosphere have claimed that he wants to undermine Christianity.

People have opinions. Just as they also have assholes.

[Bluth Corporation]

I like this. arguing on HOW Jesus died and not the fact that He died for our sins.

HOW he died is quite relevant to much of the ritual and symbolism of modern Christianity.

If he didn't die on a cross, then perhaps the Catholic and Orthodox churches should eliminate or at least reform the ritual of crossing oneself. And yet if they tried that, it should be evident what would happen (see: Old Believers).

[Dakini]

I like this. arguing on HOW Jesus died and not the fact that He died for our sins.

Who says it's a fact?

[Makaar]

Christ did not die. My belief, at least.

Christ was never born. My lack of belief, at least.

I mean seriously, the only accounts we have of his life were the Bible (and let's face it, what with accounts of people defying the laws of physics, it's hardly the most reliable historical source) and some second-hand accounts written by others who had merely heard of him, rather than actually seeing him.

If the Bible were unearthed today, the world would give it about as much credence as the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

[Newivory]

There is proof Jesus existed and was executed. ( From Roman Records )
Why do people seem to hate Christianity?

[Person012345]

Most shockingly, however, he states (oh, blasphemy and heresy) that people should read what the Bible actually says and not what they want it to say!

The man is clearly insane.

[Conserative Morality]

There is proof Jesus existed and was executed. ( From Roman Records )
Why do people seem to hate Christianity?

There are no contemporary accounts of Jesus or his execution.

[Newivory]

Yes there are. He was in the roman census

[Person012345]

There is proof Jesus existed and was executed. ( From Roman Records )
Why do people seem to hate Christianity?

Source. I've heard this, but every time the claimant has refused to provide a source.

[Ashmoria]

There is proof Jesus existed and was executed. ( From Roman Records )
Why do people seem to hate Christianity?

if this proof existed you would be able to provide a link to it.

you would know the exact wording from bible study classes

you would have a copy in your own posession.

[Conserative Morality]

Yes there are. He was in the roman census

Source.

[Maurepas]

There is proof Jesus existed and was executed. ( From Roman Records )
Why do people seem to hate Christianity?

Source?

And, I hate Christianity in the same way I hate Twilight enthusiasts,

[Ashmoria]

Yes there are. He was in the roman census

there was no roman census that fits the timing of the bible.

[Newivory]

I got the feeling even if i showed you the source you wouldn't believe me.

[Maurepas]

I got the feeling even if i showed you the source you wouldn't believe me.

Try me.

[Newivory]

Yes there are. He was in the roman census

there was no roman census that fits the timing of the bible.

Yes there was