Condemn Der Fuhrer Dyszel [Defeated]

[Don-Valentino]

We haved voted "for".
Unfourtunately, it looks like the anti-SC people are voting now

This is one of the most dramatic votes ever, it is within about 40 votes.

Yeah. I'm hoping it wins, but I don't think it will. It's a shame.

[Masucciania]

Everything seems in order. FOR.

Fellow Delegates of the Security Council:

The Confederacy of Masucciania rises in strong opposition to this proposed resolution.

The Masuccianian Parliament and Foreign Ministry recognize the deplorable actions taken by the dictatorial government of Der Fuhrer Dyszel. That having been said however, the Confederacy cannot and will not support a resolution of condemnation which includes internal policies to be condemned. The internal affairs of a state are under the sole jurisdiction of that state's sovereign government. How would more progressive states feel if the international community were controlled by dictatorships similar to that in Der Fuhrer Dyszel and were condemned because they granted extensive political and civil rights?

Therefore, the Masuccianian delegation shall vote and urge the delegations of the other member states of the World Assembly to vote "AGAINST" this proposed resolution.

The Confederacy of Masucciania respectfully yields the floor,

This would be applicable if DFD would have kept her atrocities to her own country (internally, as you seem to suggest this resolution discriminates against). But, unfortuunately, she has allowed it to leak to the rest of the world. The one that really got me was the nukes-giving. I mean, it's ONE thing to sell and trade nukes for attritional methods... But giving them away and encouraging people to use them? That is just evil genius, but evil nevertheless.

To the Honorable Ambassador from The Rich Port:

You are absolutely right in your assertion that allowing such governmental actions to spread beyond internationally-recognized political borders is a condemnable offense. With all due respect however, I think that you are misunderstanding the Masuccianian government's position. We oppose this proposed resolution because, in addition to condemning acts committed beyond recognized boundaries, this resolution also condemns acts committed within those very same boundaries. It is this inclusion which prohibits the Confederacy from voting in favor of this proposed resolution.

The Confederacy of Masucciania respectfully yields the floor,

[Callisdrun]

As a person who has roleplayed with DFD for over a year now (which is a short amount of time by her RP longevity), I voted for this. I could be wrong, but I think her NS war has lasted longer than WWII itself in terms of absolute time frames, lol.

It has. The war started in 2003.

[Ardchoilleans]

My government congratulates the noble and honourable Republic of Kandarin for bringing these atrocities to light and joins in the general chorus of condemnation for a nation that has etched its name in blood on the pages of history, wantonly crushed the fragile flower of basic human rights, stamped its jackbooted footprint on the weeping homelands of its victims, abandoned the most fundamental tenets of simple decency and, worst of all, caused me to release on an undeserving world a volley of cliches unparalleled even in these hallowed halls.

-- Walter Arbuthnot, Engineer Primus of the Hermeneutical Order of the Shattered Fourth Rampart; Security Council delegate, Ardchoille.

[Ardchoilleans]

They are not "atrocities" - they are fabrications, invented by the author as a disguise which would allow him to display a personal hatred against a nation who is not worthy of a condemnation.

Mr Quafflington, the Dictatorship has not only brazenly admitted these charges on the floor of this house, but has even threatened the assembled nations with further outrages by vowing to supply children with heroin disguised as lollipops. Furthermore, the truth of the indictment has been confirmed even by nations that oppose condemnation on the grounds of national sovereignty.

The Republic of Kandarin, which has an enviable reputation for integrity in its international dealings, has presented the damning evidence and has been further supported by the testimony of independent witnesses. Your government is, of course, free to dismiss the move to condemn, but I urge you, in memory of The Dictatorship's voiceless victims, to make sure that it is an informed decision.

-- Walter Arbuthnot, Engineer Primus of the Hermeneutical Order of the Shattered Fourth Rampart; Security Council delegate, Ardchoille.

[Ardchoilleans]

Readily, Mr Quafflington, readily. I believe this is the transcript of The Dictatorship's defiance ... here's a witness's statement ... and oh, yes, it's possible this *waves palm briefly over paper* may explain the background a little more cogently -- pray excuse me, sir, I was just performing a little clarification magic there. The SC seems to have dreadful problems with printer quality.

-- Walter Arbuthnot, Engineer Primus of the Hermeneutical Order of the Shattered Fourth Rampart; Security Council delegate, Ardchoille.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

A lone figure, a somewhat ominous-looking young man wearing a black-hooded sweatshirt, rises at the Kennyite delegation box. He is apparently too embarrassed to be seen speaking before a dysfunctional, angry mob such as the Security Council, as the hood obscures most of his face, but it shouldn't have been too difficult to identify him, given his choice of wardrobe...

"Ladies" and "gentlemen" of this "esteemed" Council, my government wishes to signal its support for this measure, for several reasons. One, it is imperative that the WA be seen to condemn actual evils committed by and on behalf of nations -- not manufactured evils, as witnessed in our own nation's unfortunate Condemnation by this body. Two, for this fledgling young branch of the WA to be regarded as a credible arbiter of international affairs, it must defeat the prevailing atmosphere of cynicism and contempt that has recently corroded its business and ground its proceedings to a (rather raucous and discordant) halt. And three, we really have to give our loyal viewers something new to watch! Ever since that disastrous vote on A mean old man's Commendation, K-SPAN has been forced to air reruns of this spinoff reality series, owing to a lack of material for new episodes, and the yawning fans have been turned to channel-surfing in despair. We therefore implore the members of this body, do not give in to the sanctimony and self-righteousness of the dangerous demagogues leading the charge against this motion; do not ignore the cries of those victimized by this nominee's abhorrent and despicable acts, and most importantly, do not punish the fans of reality TV. Disregard the petulant snipings of those who would hold this body hostage to the demands of special interests, and vote for this Condemnation.

With one dramatic yank on his hood, the man pulls off his sweatshirt to reveal an all-too-familiar face to the Security Council, not to mention the suicide vest he seemed never to leave home without:

Or I'll blow this muthafucker up! And you know I'll do it too!

He smiles malevolently as he takes in the frightened screams and the absolute terror of those desperately trying to flee the chamber.

[Masucciania]

Fellow Delegates of the Security Council:

The Confederacy of Masucciania rises in strong opposition to this proposed resolution.

The Masuccianian Parliament and Foreign Ministry recognize the deplorable actions taken by the dictatorial government of Der Fuhrer Dyszel. That having been said however, the Confederacy cannot and will not support a resolution of condemnation which includes internal policies to be condemned. The internal affairs of a state are under the sole jurisdiction of that state's sovereign government. How would more progressive states feel if the international community were controlled by dictatorships similar to that in Der Fuhrer Dyszel and were condemned because they granted extensive political and civil rights?

Therefore, the Masuccianian delegation shall vote and urge the delegations of the other member states of the World Assembly to vote "AGAINST" this proposed resolution.

The Confederacy of Masucciania respectfully yields the floor,

Whilst governments shall be allowed to maintain full control over their internal affairs, the international community should also work together to protect rights of every civilian. This government has no respect for the freedom of the people that make up his/her great nation. It has also had multiple chances to change some of it's policies to give people more rights.

Whilst governments have the right to issue their own laws they must also remember that it's people make the country, not the government. Fuhrer Dyszel must be made an example of, to prove that the International community will support the common rights and freedom of people all over the world.

The Federal Republic of Sremski okrug

To the Honorable Ambassador from the Federal Republic of Sremski okrug:

With all due respect, there is a significant contradiction in your line of argument. You first say that a sovereign government has sole jurisdiction within it's own recognized political boundaries, but that, simultaneously, the international community has the power to intervene against that very same sovereign government to "protect the people." Such logic is a slippery slope as intervention could virtually always be employed and justified as "protecting the people."

The Confederacy of Masucciania respectfully yields the floor,

[Biyah]

Against, in protest of Rule IV.

[Todd McCloud]

The resolution appears to have been defeated, 2,605 votes to 2,234.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Given that 3WB (the reputed architects of Commend AMOM's 78%-22% drubbing) had to rely on the large vote total of non-affiliated region to achieve this result, it's not very impressive.

[Northrop-Grumman]

Straight up vote numbers are almost meaningless without percentages.

For: 46.17%
Against: 53.83%

[Sedgistan]

Given that 3WB (the reputed architects of Commend AMOM's 78%-22% drubbing) had to rely on the large vote total of non-affiliated region to achieve this result, it's not very impressive.

Aside from 10000 Islands, we didn't lobby any delegates this time around. Had we needed to, we would have.

[Ballotonia]

Given that 3WB (the reputed architects of Commend AMOM's 78%-22% drubbing) had to rely on the large vote total of non-affiliated region to achieve this result, it's not very impressive.

This proposal would normally have been a shoe-in. Contents-wise, it should've passed easily. On top of that, Kandarin has as submitter substantial Gameplay connections, and proposed an RP C&C for someone with a huge reputation (DFD) as well. The lobby in favor was very intense, covering off-site fora as well. Frankly, I cannot imagine a much stronger attempt at toppling the 3WB. And yet Kandarin failed. That means the average Joe out there with a reasonably good C&C idea simply doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting something through.

Ballotonia

[Glen-Rhodes]

That means the average Joe out there with a reasonably good C&C idea simply doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting something through.

Now, the real question: is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[Ballotonia]

That means the average Joe out there with a reasonably good C&C idea simply doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting something through.

Now, the real question: is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Depends on ones perspective, ofcourse. The 3WB will be thrilled about it. I'm happy too since I support their cause. That specific average Joe who supposedly doesn't support the 3WB's position won't be too happy, nor will the people who criticize the 3WB even when they don't have a C&C to submit themselves.

Ballotonia

[Callisdrun]

That means the average Joe out there with a reasonably good C&C idea simply doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting something through.

Now, the real question: is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Depends on ones perspective, ofcourse. The 3WB will be thrilled about it. I'm happy too since I support their cause. That specific average Joe who supposedly doesn't support the 3WB's position won't be too happy, nor will the people who criticize the 3WB even when they don't have a C&C to submit themselves.

Ballotonia

As someone sorta like an average joe as far as NS goes, to say that I am not too happy about it would be an understatement.

I agree that Rule IV is unfair. But that doesn't mean I like 3WB or their tactic of wrecking the SC for everyone.

[Unibot]

I agree that Rule IV is unfair. But that doesn't mean I like 3WB or their tactic of wrecking the SC for everyone.

Funny, because the 3WB strongly believes that Rule IV is wrecking the SC for everyone but a selection group of individuals who generally have more influence on the Official forums.

It is very distressing to hear that the delegacy of 10KI is now controlled by outside interests rather than the democratic will of the region's residents. Supporters of this act would do well to point this out when the 3WB and its allies begin their gloating session tomorrow morning.

Well, I don't know about gloating ..but.. I am happy that this was defeated. It shows that the World Assembly hasn't accepted Rule IV yet, and not even two GCR delegates could topple that iron will. I think if this is submitted in the future without this Rule IV business that it will be quite successful.. although if the nominee is as prolific of a defender as the 10ki folk made her out to be, I'm wondering if an OOC proposal would be appropriate to commend her too?

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Well, I don't know about gloating ..but.. I am happy that this was defeated. It shows that the World Assembly hasn't accepted Rule IV yet, and not even two GCR delegates could topple that iron will. I think if this is submitted in the future without this Rule IV business that it will be quite successful.. although if the nominee is as prolific of a defender as the 10ki folk made her out to be, I'm wondering if an OOC proposal would be appropriate to commend her too?

Take it from someone who knows: two Feeders voting against you is nothing. Try having all of them vote against you in the space of 24 hours...and still win.

[Unibot]

Well, I don't know about gloating ..but.. I am happy that this was defeated. It shows that the World Assembly hasn't accepted Rule IV yet, and not even two GCR delegates could topple that iron will. I think if this is submitted in the future without this Rule IV business that it will be quite successful.. although if the nominee is as prolific of a defender as the 10ki folk made her out to be, I'm wondering if an OOC proposal would be appropriate to commend her too?

Take it from someone who knows: two Feeders voting against you is nothing. Try having all of them vote against you in the space of 24 hours...and still win.

*pats Kenny* ...Niiiiiiiice.

I would have never been so unprepared.. but.. Niiiiiiice...

[Krioval]

Well, I don't know about gloating ..but.. I am happy that this was defeated. It shows that the World Assembly hasn't accepted Rule IV yet, and not even two GCR delegates could topple that iron will. I think if this is submitted in the future without this Rule IV business that it will be quite successful.. although if the nominee is as prolific of a defender as the 10ki folk made her out to be, I'm wondering if an OOC proposal would be appropriate to commend her too?

Iron will? I've seen proposals fail by much larger margins than this. Rule 4 is here to stay, unless you've heard differently from a source of greater authority than the moderation staff. In any case, I am unimpressed.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Funny, because the 3WB strongly believes that Rule IV is wrecking the SC for everyone but a selection group of individuals who generally have more influence on the Official forums.

Isn't that kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy? The Security Council is dead because of the actions of the 3WB, which is a group formed because it fears a rule would kill the Security Council...

Well, I don't know about gloating ..but.. I am happy that this was defeated. It shows that the World Assembly hasn't accepted Rule IV yet, and not even two GCR delegates could topple that iron will.

I wouldn't extrapolate the failure of this condemnation out that far. The vast majority of the World Assembly likely does not care or does not know about Rule 4. :\ Not to mention that a few delegates -- and I mean 10 delegates -- control about 1/3 of the votes cast on a typical resolution. Even just pure vote numbers don't really convey that 'the World Assembly' likes or dislikes something.

(Another reason to get rid of weighted voting, imo.)

[Unibot]

Even just pure vote numbers don't really convey that 'the World Assembly' likes or dislikes something.[/size]

I'll be saying this, repeatably, if/when the 3WB looses it first battle, just so you know...

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

I thought you quit the 3WB?

[Callisdrun]

Funny, because the 3WB strongly believes that Rule IV is wrecking the SC for everyone but a selection group of individuals who generally have more influence on the Official forums.

Isn't that kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy? The Security Council is dead because of the actions of the 3WB, which is a group formed because it fears a rule would kill the Security Council...

Indeed, they fear a new rule would kill the SC... so they make sure to kill it dead first.