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Will a Carbon Tax lead to stopping ocean levels from rising?

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Is a Carbon Tax actually about total control over the lives of Americans?

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Yes
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Yes and mega-scale sea water desalination technology can put desalinated H2O even into the deserts.
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Yes and atmospheric carbon dioxide is causing vegetation to grow faster than ever before. Mother nature is healing herself.
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Will a Carbon Tax lead to stopping ocean levels from rising?

Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:41 am

It is my firm belief at this time that the Al Gore Carbon TAx Theory is seriously flawed and will in actuality do essentially nothing to keep ocean levels stable.

A documentary entitled "How BigOil Conquered the World" makes the statement that Mr. Al Gore's professor was a part of a group who wanted to link the fiat currencies of the world to the supply and price of oil.

A Carbon Tax accomplishes exactly that at the same time that a Carbon Tax APPEARS to go against Big Oil!

In my opinion that is brilliant marketing and salesmanship but the threat of rising ocean levels is very real and we should not be diverted off track by a Carbon Tax that will do nothing to address the threat of rising ocean levels.

Everybody should hear that documentary that opens several massive cans of worms.

Because both Mr. Al Gore and his professor lived in America I do believe that the Carbon Tax scheme targets USA taxpayers and citizens more than just about anybody else.


https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/why-big ... 0yXFGEa4P4

Why Big Oil Conquered the World
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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:47 am

Dr. James Hansen has accurately stated that the last time that global temperatures rose by about three degrees ocean levels rose by more than twenty meters over about four centuries.

The ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica have something like tree rings and they show us what has been happening for thousands of years in the past.

I do believe that Dr. James Hansen's warning to us is accurate but I feel that faith in a Carbon Tax is misplaced.

I believe that sea water desalination technology is the answer to how to more rapidly turn deserts green because trees and plants can have a powerful effect toward stabilization of the climate.

Mr. Al Gore is a phenomenal salesman and speaker but he just doesn't have a grasp of the huge picture quite like Chaim Henry Tejman M. D.

https://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/globalW2.htm


Our environment is obviously undergoing major changes, and I believe that trees have a vital role in the atmospheric balance. Trees possess the ability to absorb much of the incoming energy. Gradually, trees that have absorbed energy submerge beneath the ground and turn into coal. Mankind is presently consuming unprecedented amounts of energy. Instead of storing the energy, like nature, we are releasing it into the atmosphere. Therefore, an international effort must be made to stop cutting down trees and to plant as many more as possible.

Energetic matter is in perpetual transition, and humans, who are also the product of energetic matter, similarly lack stability. The same holds true for our entire planetary system. Therefore, the Earth will always be subject to change, be it to our benefit or detriment.

In previous articles, I wrote on the creation and constant release of energetic matter and that mankind must learn to exploit phenomena such as earthquakes and hurricanes. Furthermore, we must reduce our reliance on energy sources such as coal and oil, which the Earth has already managed to store. We must reach the point in which these energy supplies are only utilized for medications and other critical needs. The continuity of the human race will depend on our ability to adapt to these changes and maintain the balance between water, vegetation, and energy.

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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:48 am

Of the 4 States wrote:Barbecue people:


That sounds a lot like the Bill Gates "Innovating to zero" lecture that was done back in 2010!

The world population at that time was six point eight billion and Bill Gates said that we needed to depopulate down to two or three billion people!

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Postby Fjolmidlum » Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:52 am

So, let me get this straight, Al Gore's carbon tax idea is wrong because he had a professor who might have wanted to link fiat currencies to the oil supply? I'm sold, this is irrefutable evidence that carbon tax is worthless.

No, this is just another really bizarre thread from you. A carbon tax isn't far enough, and I don't think one on its own would have much of an effect except on the consumer seeing as companies will continue to "drill, baby, drill" and use up those products no matter what given the profitability of oil, and they will just pass any potential hit to their profits to the consumers instead. The only way it could work is if it were coupled with very substantial investment in R&D for low-emission technologies, in which case it would act as an incentive for consumers to switch.
irregardless, its the same difference and i literally could care less for all intensive purposes so you're point is mute per say
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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:53 am

Here is a statistic that I believe has massive implications when it comes to us understanding how big of an issue rising ocean levels will be in the not too distant future.


"At a symposium of the Union of Geodesy and geophysics, Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky reported that the south polar ice cap was growing at a minimum rate of 293 cubic miles of ice annually. To put that number in perspective, Lake Erie contains only 109 cubic miles of water. Thus, a volume of ice forms on top of the existing ice at Antarctica each year which is almost three times the volume of water in Lake Erie!" (Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory, Gershom Gale, Expanded Discussion on the HAB Theory.)


For the past several centuries the ADDITION OF H2O to the massive Antarctica ice sheets have kept ocean levels relatively stable but that cannot go on forever.


I believe that Mr. Alan Savoury is correct about how greening deserts can save the world ecology.

https://youtu.be/vpTHi7O66pI
How to green the world's deserts and reverse climate change | Allan Savory



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NOTE: Statements in this talk have been challenged by other scientists working in this field. Read more here: https://blog.ted.com/allan-savorys-ho...

"Desertification is a fancy word for land that is turning to desert," begins Allan Savory in this quietly powerful talk. And terrifyingly, it's happening to about two-thirds of the world's grasslands, accelerating climate change and causing traditional grazing societies to descend into social chaos. Savory has devoted his life to stopping it. He now believes -- and his work so far shows -- that a surprising factor can protect grasslands and even reclaim degraded land that was once desert.

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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:56 am

Fjolmidlum wrote:So, let me get this straight, Al Gore's carbon tax idea is wrong because he had a professor who might have wanted to link fiat currencies to the oil supply? I'm sold, this is irrefutable evidence that carbon tax is worthless.

No, this is just another really bizarre thread from you. A carbon tax isn't far enough, and I don't think one on its own would have much of an effect except on the consumer seeing as companies will continue to "drill, baby, drill" and use up those products no matter what given the profitability of oil, and they will just pass any potential hit to their profits to the consumers instead. The only way it could work is if it were coupled with very substantial investment in R&D for low-emission technologies, in which case it would act as an incentive for consumers to switch.


I can guess from your comment that you haven't listened to the documentary yet. When you do you will be far less sold on what Mr. Al Gore is being manipulated into doing and why his theory was grabbed and put out through BigMedia and BigEducation and BigGovernment all of which are influended by BigOil.

In order to understand what is really happening you must understand the probable MOTIVES!
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:58 am

The irony about the other inherent assumption in the OP is that while the United States does not have a carbon tax, many European nations do. The PROVE IT Act has been a contentious but promising first step - and jurisdictions such as California and the RGGI (north-eastern states) have implemented their own cap-and-trade schemes - but there is no federal carbon tax, nor is there likely to be one in the next five years.

In the short and medium term, carbon taxes can raise revenue for rebates, social security, and Just Transition measures. In the long term, as Net Zero is accomplished worldwide (which I fully believe will happen within the next 50-60 years) and CO2 emissions decrease even beyond that, they become gimmicky enough to have no reasonable value or use.

NorthernPesos wrote:I can guess from your comment that you haven't listened to the documentary yet.

This thread was posted fifteen minutes ago. You can't reasonably expect people to watch a two-hour documentary in fifteen minutes nor to necessarily have any prior knowledge of said documentary.
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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:04 am

Tinhampton wrote:The irony about the other inherent assumption in the OP is that while the United States does not have a carbon tax, many European nations do. The PROVE IT Act has been a contentious but promising first step - and jurisdictions such as California and the RGGI (north-eastern states) have implemented their own cap-and-trade schemes - but there is no federal carbon tax, nor is there likely to be one in the next five years.

In the short and medium term, carbon taxes can raise revenue for rebates, social security, and Just Transition measures. In the long term, as Net Zero is accomplished worldwide (which I fully believe will happen within the next 50-60 years) and CO2 emissions decrease even beyond that, they become gimmicky enough to have no reasonable value or use.

NorthernPesos wrote:I can guess from your comment that you haven't listened to the documentary yet.

This thread was posted fifteen minutes ago. You can't reasonably expect people to watch a two-hour documentary in fifteen minutes nor to necessarily have any prior knowledge of said documentary.



A powerful case can be presented that it was his support for a Carbon Tax and environmentalism bureaucrats that destroyed Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and I suspect that his Liberal Party will soon be decimated down to a record low number of seats in the next Canadian federal election which will be in 2025!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carbon ... -1.7221908




The carbon tax has plagued the Liberals politically. Research says that's not surprising
Visibility of costs detracts from popularity, paper suggests

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Nojoud Al Mallees · The Canadian Press · Posted: Jun 01, 2024 10:45 AM EDT | Last Updated: June 1

It was supposed to do the heavy lifting for Canada's greenhouse gas emissions targets.

And it was supposed to remain a major part of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's legacy, both at home and abroad — part of an urgent global push to fight climate change.

But instead of fulfilling those Liberal hopes, carbon pricing has become a significant political liability.

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre's crusade against the consumer carbon price and his promise to "axe the tax" should he win the next election has resonated with many Canadians amidst an affordability crisis.

The Tory leader has blamed the climate policy for driving up the cost of food and fuel, while dismissing or ignoring its purported benefits, including consumer rebates.

The government has struggled to respond to the Conservatives' attacks, despite the carbon price enjoying widespread support among economists.

Did the Liberals drop the ball?

Or was the policy always destined for failure?

Research suggests the Liberals may be fighting a losing battle, and some experts are urging policymakers to look for alternative policies to lower emissions, warning the threat of climate change is too dire to delay action.

"It's very hard to find places with high, economy-wide carbon prices that have not generated significant political backlash," said Matto Mildenberger, an assistant professor of political science at the University of California Santa Barbara.

"That leads political scientists like myself to have real reservations about how viable carbon pricing is as a short-term strategy to confront the climate crisis."

Political messaging matters, study suggests
Consumers pay the cost of carbon pricing upfront in a very visible way, Mildenberger said. Its benefits are only enjoyed in the long run.

The federal government's Canada Carbon Rebate is designed to compensate voters for the financial burden. According to the parliamentary budget officer, eight out of 10 families receive more in rebates than they pay in carbon taxes.

But Mildenberger's research suggests the rebate is not as effective in shoring up public support as Liberals would hope.

One study analyzing public support for carbon pricing in Canada and Switzerland found people don't know about the rebates they're getting and tend to underestimate their value.

Another looked at the effect of rebates on public support for a carbon tax in the U.S. and Switzerland and found there was ultimately little impact.

"Our results indicate that, absent political messaging, rebates increase public support for carbon taxes in both countries by building support among lower income groups," the 2022 paper said.

"However, policy is always politicized, and when respondents are exposed to political messages about carbon pricing the effects associated with rebates are dampened or eliminated."
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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:08 am

The way that the Carbon Tax was administered here in Canada hit Canadians farmers extremely hard and Canadian voters have rebelled against the Carbon Tax as the information came out. If we bankrupt our farmers obviously we are in serious trouble.


https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/major ... rbon%20tax

Majority of Canadians want carbon tax scrapped on farms
Author: Gage Haubrich 2024/06/05
Federal Commentary


Canada is a big country filled with lots of opinions. It’s tough to talk about which hockey team you should cheer for without voices being raised, let alone getting into politics.

When a vast majority of Canadians think the same way on something, it’s a good idea for the government to stop and listen.

A new poll conducted by Leger shows that seven-in-10 Canadians want farmers to get an exemption on the carbon tax for natural gas and propane.

That means members of Parliament need to listen to Canadians and pass Bill C-234, a proposed piece of legislation that gives farmers this exact exemption.

Currently, the federal government already exempts the carbon tax from gasoline and diesel used on farms. And this bill simply extends that same carbon tax exemption to natural gas and propane.

The new national poll shows there is support for farmers across the country – Canadians want the carbon tax scrapped on farms.

Albertans leads the way with 76 per cent of them supporting giving a break to farmers, but other parts of the country aren’t far behind. British Columbians are 72 per cent in favour of the relief and even 68 per cent of people in Quebec and the Atlantic provinces support the exemption.

Canadians understand that just like the carbon tax costs them big money to fuel up their cars and heat their homes, it also costs farmers, but on a much larger scale. Without any relief, the carbon tax on natural gas and propane will cost farmers almost $1 billion by 2030, according to the Parliamentary Budget Officer.

That’s a lot of money that farmers are paying on their bills every month and it also hurts their competitiveness because farmers in the United States aren’t paying a carbon tax. Plus, if farmers aren’t paying millions of dollars every year in the carbon tax, it’s likely to help the rest of out with prices at the grocery store.

And passing bill C-234 is something farm groups have already been calling for. The Agriculture Carbon Alliance is a coalition of 15 farm associations is pushing the federal government to pass the bill and provide relief to farmers.

That’s because individual farmers are paying up to thousands of dollars every month in the carbon tax. The average livestock farmer can expect a $726 carbon tax bill every month, while crop farmers can look forward to a $2,024 bill according to the ACA.

Greenhouses are the worst off, with an average $17,173 carbon tax bill. In some cases, up to 40 per cent of a farmers energy cost is just carbon tax.

This new poll and the huge carbon tax bills for Canadian farmers should be a wake-up call for politicians in Ottawa to stop sitting on their hands and get farmers some relief, because this legislation has been through the wringer at this point.

Bill C-234 was originally introduced more than two years ago and it finally passed the House in March 2023, where it got unanimous support from the Conservatives, Bloc, NDP and Greens. Three Liberal MPs even voted for it.

But then it got to the Senate.

Unelected Senators amended the bill and got rid of much of the relief for farmers. They removed the exemptions for heating barns and decided that the relief should end after three years. The bill in its current form would still see farmers paying $910 million in the carbon tax by 2030, according to the PBO.

Now Bill C-234 is back in the House and MPs need to reject the amendments from the Senate and pass the bill in its original form.

It’s what Canadians want.

It’s time for Ottawa to start listening to Canadians and stop charging farmers carbon taxes that make all of our lives more expensive.



The Carbon Tax is one of the biggest reasons why the sentiment among Albertans is that perhaps they should leave Canada and join TRump's America as the fifty first state.
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Postby Fjolmidlum » Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:13 am

NorthernPesos wrote:*snip*

It's well known that the southern icecaps sometimes grow, but that claim is misleading as they typically aren't, and they definitely aren't doing it consistently at that rate. Even if they did, however, the problem would that this doesn't account for all the melting of northern ice caps. Because of that effect, we have lost over 200,000 square kilometers of northern ice in the last 40 years, or the surface area of 8 Lake Eries since we're using that as a metric. With that said, the antarctic ice sheets are generally being lost at a rate of 109 cubic kilometers yearly and the northern sheets are generally being lost at a rate of 250 cubic kilometers yearly as well, or a total of 75% of the volume of Lake Erie every year since we're using that as a metric.

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Fjolmidlum wrote:So, let me get this straight, Al Gore's carbon tax idea is wrong because he had a professor who might have wanted to link fiat currencies to the oil supply? I'm sold, this is irrefutable evidence that carbon tax is worthless.

No, this is just another really bizarre thread from you. A carbon tax isn't far enough, and I don't think one on its own would have much of an effect except on the consumer seeing as companies will continue to "drill, baby, drill" and use up those products no matter what given the profitability of oil, and they will just pass any potential hit to their profits to the consumers instead. The only way it could work is if it were coupled with very substantial investment in R&D for low-emission technologies, in which case it would act as an incentive for consumers to switch.


I can guess from your comment that you haven't listened to the documentary yet. When you do you will be far less sold on what Mr. Al Gore is being manipulated into doing and why his theory was grabbed and put out through BigMedia and BigEducation and BigGovernment all of which are influended by BigOil.

In order to understand what is really happening you must understand the probable MOTIVES!

Yeah, I'm not watching a documentary just to engage with you, and you shouldn't expect anybody to do so. Even if we assume Al Gore is secretly in bed with Big Oil simply because he had a professor who might have wanted an oil based currency, which is absurd given where all the oil lobbying money lobbying actually goes and that Al Gore and his professors are different people, this does not make his ideas incorrect per se.
irregardless, its the same difference and i literally could care less for all intensive purposes so you're point is mute per say
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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:19 am

Fjolmidlum wrote:
NorthernPesos wrote:*snip*

It's well known that the southern icecaps sometimes grow, but that claim is misleading as they typically aren't, and they definitely aren't doing it consistently at that rate. Even if they did, however, the problem would that this doesn't account for all the melting of northern ice caps. Because of that effect, we have lost over 200,000 square kilometers of northern ice in the last 40 years, or the surface area of 8 Lake Eries since we're using that as a metric. With that said, the antarctic ice sheets are generally being lost at a rate of 109 cubic kilometers yearly and the northern sheets are generally being lost at a rate of 250 cubic kilometers yearly as well, or a total of 75% of the volume of Lake Erie every year since we're using that as a metric.

NorthernPesos wrote:
I can guess from your comment that you haven't listened to the documentary yet. When you do you will be far less sold on what Mr. Al Gore is being manipulated into doing and why his theory was grabbed and put out through BigMedia and BigEducation and BigGovernment all of which are influended by BigOil.

In order to understand what is really happening you must understand the probable MOTIVES!

Yeah, I'm not watching a documentary just to engage with you, and you shouldn't expect anybody to do so. Even if we assume Al Gore is secretly in bed with Big Oil simply because he had a professor who might have wanted an oil based currency, which is absurd given where all the oil lobbying money lobbying actually goes and that Al Gore and his professors are different people, this does not make his ideas incorrect per se.


The south polar ice caps do not merely "sometimes grow" they grow so much year after year after year after year that the massive amounts of ice cracking and sliding off the LAND BASED Greenland Ice Sheets and off the world's glaciers has not yet led to significant rise in ocean levels. [Gracias a Dios because rising ocean levels would swallow up a lot of real estate if the West Antarctic Ice Sheet that is below sea level were to begin to rapidly collapse, which is quite possible].



BigOil, BigMedia do not want you and the majority of people to understand that a Carbon TAx will not work but Mr. Alan Savoury has a vastly better solution. BigMedia will not willing support Mr. Alan Savoury because his solution will NOT give BigGovernment total control over the lives of Americans.

"Let us consider Antarctica for a moment.
We have already seen that it is big. It has a land area of 5.5
million square miles, and is presently covered by something in excess
of seven million cubic miles of ice weighing an estimated 19
quadrillion tons (19 followed by 15 zeros). What worries the
theorists of earth-crust displacement is that this vast ice-cap is
remorselessly increasing in size and weight:'at the rate of 293 cubic
miles of ice each year
--almost as much as if Lake Ontario were frozen
solidly annually and added to it.(Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of
the Gods, page 480).





https://youtu.be/WUMQVqtjUAQ

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Postby Fjolmidlum » Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:23 am

NorthernPesos wrote:*snip*

I already showed you contradictory evidence. Without knowing the methodology behind the source you quoted, I can't point out to you exactly how the conclusion they drew is flawed, but it is contradictory to the actual best evidence I am aware of by orders of magnitude. All I can say is that you should stop believing everybody with a post-nominal that says something you like, and you should definitely stop believing them over the more reliable evidence that exists out there. If you just want to believe that sea level rise doesn't matter, that's your prerogative not mine.
irregardless, its the same difference and i literally could care less for all intensive purposes so you're point is mute per say
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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:31 am

Fjolmidlum wrote:
NorthernPesos wrote:*snip*

I already showed you contradictory evidence. Without knowing the methodology behind the source you quoted, I can't point out to you exactly how the conclusion they drew is flawed, but it is contradictory to the actual best evidence I am aware of by orders of magnitude. All I can say is that you should stop believing everybody with a post-nominal that says something you like, and you should definitely stop believing them over the more reliable evidence that exists out there. If you just want to believe that sea level rise doesn't matter, that's your prerogative not mine.


But isn't is blatantly obvious that every cubic meter of sea water that is desalinated and used for people directly or indirectly is also good news for the owners of real estate that is vulnerable to the threat of rising ocean levels?


Alan Savoury has a brilliant theory but I personally feel that mega-scale sea water desalination technology will also play an important role in balancing ocean levels so that they do not significantly rise like they did in that time period that Dr. James Hansen referred to.


https://ide-tech.com/en/project/sorek-d ... ion-plant/


About
The Sorek desalination plant is one of a kind and the largest seawater desalination plant operating with 16’’ elements in a unique vertical arrangement.

It provides potable water for millions of people, comprising 20% of the municipal water demand in Israel, thus greatly contributing to the country’s water system resilience (while minimizing the environmental impact).

In 2018 IDE sold Sorek 1 desalination plant to Dan Capital. The sale was required under a deal agreed by IDE with antitrust (competition) authorities allowing IDE to bid on a BOT tender for a second SWRO desalination plant at Soreq.


Capacity: 640,000 m³/day
Technology: Reverse Osmosis (RO)
Water Source: Seawater
Contract type: BOT For 25 years
Usage: Potable Water
Location: Rishon Le Zion, Israel
Customer: Israel Water Authority
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:31 am

Did Mister Rogers cause the Kennedy assassinations?
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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:36 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Did Mister Rogers cause the Kennedy assassinations?


EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

President Eisenhower felt that he had to warn us because he saw where things were leading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-jvHynP9Y



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Postby Fjolmidlum » Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:43 am

NorthernPesos wrote:*snip*

So you can't hold to the point that sea level rise isn't a concern, so you jump to the point that it's actually good because of desalination. I've said it to you before, but no, I do not think that we should be destroying natural ecosystems and setting up massive energy intensive facilities just for the sake of benefiting bourgeois land owners.
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No, oceans don't care about taxes
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Postby Rusozak » Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:47 am

Nothing will stop it. The chance to stop it passed decades ago. Everyone waited until we started to feel the effects of climate change to consider thinking about doing something to prevent climate change and we're all fucked as a result. Buckle up.
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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:05 am

Floofybit wrote:No, oceans don't care about taxes


Exactly, it must be through something more direct that we begin to decrease the threat of rising ocean levels. I really like the simple but logical approach by New Mexico biologist and bicycling coach Carl Cantrell.


Carl Cantrell.

"So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breathe, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere.. ."

"Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes...."

"Just take a look at any satellite picture of the earth showing heat and you will see that our deserts are the warmest spots on the planet by far. More heat is being generated by just one of the top four or five deserts than by all of our cities combined.... "

"The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave…."

"So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive…."

"Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds…"

"We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell)."

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:08 am

No, but arresting all the billionaires has a chance to.
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Postby Floofybit » Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:10 am

NorthernPesos wrote:
Floofybit wrote:No, oceans don't care about taxes


Exactly, it must be through something more direct that we begin to decrease the threat of rising ocean levels. I really like the simple but logical approach by New Mexico biologist and bicycling coach Carl Cantrell.


Carl Cantrell.

"So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breathe, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere.. ."

"Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes...."

"Just take a look at any satellite picture of the earth showing heat and you will see that our deserts are the warmest spots on the planet by far. More heat is being generated by just one of the top four or five deserts than by all of our cities combined.... "

"The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave…."

"So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive…."

"Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds…"

"We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell)."

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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:28 am

Rusozak wrote:Nothing will stop it. The chance to stop it passed decades ago. Everyone waited until we started to feel the effects of climate change to consider thinking about doing something to prevent climate change and we're all fucked as a result. Buckle up.


But if Moses - Moshe had a good source for his ideas on the productivity of us humans then there is hope yet!


"And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." (Genesis 11)


If Muslims and Christians and Jews in Israel and in the Islamic world and in America and in America's allies could agree that this ancient Islamic prediction is good idea then I believe that we could "Make Money Abundant" and we could turn deserts green even in the Islamic world.


Book 005, Number 2208:
"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so much so that a man takes Zakat out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia becomes meadows and rivers."
SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 25: The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab)


The fact that this ancient Islamic prediction fits perfectly with Isaiah chapter thirty five means that this could be marketed to "conservatives" across the spectrum much more easily than any variation of the divisive Carbon TAx.



. "The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joyand singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the
excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.

....
Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongueof the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out,
and streams in the desert.
And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons,where
each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes." (Isaiah 35 : 1, 2, 6, 7 ).

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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:29 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:No, but arresting all the billionaires has a chance to.


Frankly yes, I do like that aspect of the solution as well!

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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:32 am

Simple answer to the title question is no.
Shut down all of human industry, and retreat back into the caves if you like, but Gaia is still gonna do her thing, and geologically speaking we just warmed out of an ice age thirty seconds ago, so guess what she is doing all on her own, and is going to be doing for a while yet despite us.

Never mind that the lifestyles of these snake oil salesmen and malthusians like Gore and Gates are the complete opposite of what you would expect from the doomsayers of carbongedon.
Like all hypocritical politics and religion, there is a lot of rules for you, but not for me going on.

You wanna preach at me? Fine, I'll listen.
You want me to take you seriously? Fine.
Behave like you understand the math yourself, and don't exaggerate its implications for your own ends.
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