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Do you believe that Mark Zuckerberg's claims are true?

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Perhaps because this would sure help to explains events of this past decade?!
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NorthernPesos
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Do you think that Mark Zuckerberg's claims are true?

Postby NorthernPesos » Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:59 pm

Do you believe that Mark Zuckerberg is telling the truth about how his employees were harassed so that they would censor content online?

I have to admit that this sure does seem to fit with events of these past ten years or so.


I guess when billions of dollars and bureaucratic power are at stake people will tend to resort to drastic measures to maintain their power and influence.

I am glad that this information is finally being made public.


https://www.wnd.com/2025/01/zuckerberg- ... -censored/


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Zuckerberg spills horrific details about how Biden admin screamed and swore to get speech censored
Democrats often demanded removal of information that was true; says he regrets his company didn't push back harder on censorship schemes that attacked Americans' First Amendment rights


Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg previously has admitted in a letter to Congress that the Joe Biden administration pushed and coerced his company in order to get ideas the leftist Democrats didn't like censored.

And he's said he regretted his company didn't push back harder on censorship schemes that attacked Americans' First Amendment rights to discuss alternative COVID-19 treatments, their doubts about the integrity of the 2020 presidential election and much more.

Now he's confirmed in an interview that Biden administration officials screamed and swore at his employees in order to bully and bludgeon them into complying with Biden's agenda.

The Daily Mail reported details about the horrific behavior of Biden officials was detailed in Zuckerberg's interview with Joe Rogan.

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Zuckerberg, chief of Meta which is the parent company of Facebook, said he "was stunned" when the White House contacted Facebook "to demand a photo of Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at a TV in his movie 'Once Upon A Time in Hollywood' was taken down."

The Democrats, he explained, were upset by the caption, which said, "10 years from now you're going to see an ad that says if you took a Covid vaccine you'd be eligible for a payment."


Zuckerberg has moved away, politically, from the Democrats in recent weeks, with the admission about the coercion from the White House, followed by his decision to eliminate the team of left-leaning "fact-checkers" his company long has used, and replace them with a "community notes" option to enhance free speech.

He also confirmed that Biden's staff "would demand the platform censor information that was accurate, including that COVID vaccines can cause side effects."

Biden's staff "pushed us super hard to take down things that were honestly true," he confirmed.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:04 pm

Probably true to an extent although likely exaggerated because he's trying to ingratiate himself with the new regime.
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Postby NorthernPesos » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:06 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Probably true to an extent although likely exaggerated because he's trying to ingratiate himself with the new regime.


I have to admit that I was sure surprised to see him at President Trump's inauguration!
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Postby Floofybit » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:08 pm

NorthernPesos wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Probably true to an extent although likely exaggerated because he's trying to ingratiate himself with the new regime.


I have to admit that I was sure surprised to see him that at President Trump's inauguration!

Why?
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Postby Nilokeras » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:08 pm

of course not. it's clearly self-serving pablum designed to curry favour with Zuckerberg's new right wing friends. while the Biden admin was in power they played ball, and now that he's gone they're throwing him under the bus. all while conveniently memory holing the fact that they put in place their first anti-'misinformation' measures during the Trump admin and post-Cambridge Analytica scandal.

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Postby NorthernPesos » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:10 pm

Nilokeras wrote:of course not. it's clearly self-serving pablum designed to curry favour with Zuckerberg's new right wing friends. while the Biden admin was in power they played ball, and now that he's gone they're throwing him under the bus. all while conveniently memory holing the fact that they put in place their first anti-'misinformation' measures during the Trump admin and post-Cambridge Analytica scandal.


Or could it be true that the claims made in that article are mild in comparison to how much pressure may have been put on people since 2019 to back up the astonishingly powerful BigPharma companies??????

In the future we will know much better what really happened?!

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Postby NorthernPesos » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:11 pm

Floofybit wrote:
NorthernPesos wrote:
I have to admit that I was sure surprised to see him that at President Trump's inauguration!

Why?


Mark Zuckerberg seemed to be so opposed to President Trump in the past that it seemed inconsistent that he would be there at his official inauguration but having read that article the whole thing is beginning to make sense.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:13 pm

*shrugs* He is a sellout. He will saying anything to appease his new master.
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Postby Fractalnavel » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:14 pm

__- sucker - berg.

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Postby Gravlen » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:14 pm

NorthernPesos wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Why?


Mark Zuckerberg seemed to be so opposed to President Trump in the past that it seemed inconsistent that he would be there at his official inauguration but having read that article the whole thing is beginning to make sense.

Trump gives favours to the people who lick his boots, and puts those who don't on his enemies list and goes after them. This is well known, and Zuckerberg also knows it.

There. Mystery solved.
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Postby NorthernPesos » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:15 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:*shrugs* He is a sellout. He will saying anything to appease his new master.


Or could it be that his old master behaved so terribly that he decided to break free?????

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Postby Gravlen » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:16 pm

NorthernPesos wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:*shrugs* He is a sellout. He will saying anything to appease his new master.


Or could it be that his old master behaved so terribly that he decided to break free?????

No. Very clearly that is bullshit.
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Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Kerwa » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:18 pm

O noes, not the heckin’ billionairinos. How could they do that bros?

Although I think people have the relationship exactly backwards.

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Postby NorthernPesos » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:19 pm

Fractalnavel wrote:__- sucker - berg.


Perhaps but the question is when was he a sucker????

WAs he a sucker from 2015 to 2023 or is he a "sucker" now in 2025?????

To my thinking and from what I observed over this past decade it seems as if he is breaking free of chains now. I refused to take the Covid 19 vaccine and I was forced to retire from my job as a school janitor one day before I would have been put on Unpaid Administrative Leave anyway.

So I guess that does give me a certain bias doesn't it?

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Postby Gravlen » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:22 pm

NorthernPesos wrote:
Fractalnavel wrote:__- sucker - berg.


Perhaps but the question is when was he a sucker????

WAs he a sucker from 2015 to 2023 or is he a "sucker" now in 2025?????

To my thinking and from what I observed over this past decade it seems as if he is breaking free of chains now. I refused to take the Covid 19 vaccine and I was forced to retire from my job as a school janitor one day before I would have been put on Unpaid Administrative Leave anyway.

So I guess that does give me a certain bias doesn't it?

I'm sorry Facebook forced you to do that.
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby NorthernPesos » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:22 pm

Gravlen wrote:
NorthernPesos wrote:
Or could it be that his old master behaved so terribly that he decided to break free?????

No. Very clearly that is bullshit.


To you it may seem perfectly clear but as I mentioned I have reason to look at this differently than you do.

I was scheduled to take a C o v i d 1 9 vaccine on May 26, 2021 but I was only working forty hours per week then so I did a lot of research about it. I believed Robert Malone M. D....... but I did NOT believe either Dr. Tony FAuci or Nova Scotia's Dr. Robert Strang.

I believe the assertions made by the courageous Ryan Cole M. D. from Idaho and it is a good thing that it seems like what he warned us about will soon be common knowledge.

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Postby NorthernPesos » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:32 pm

Gravlen wrote:
NorthernPesos wrote:
Mark Zuckerberg seemed to be so opposed to President Trump in the past that it seemed inconsistent that he would be there at his official inauguration but having read that article the whole thing is beginning to make sense.

Trump gives favours to the people who lick his boots, and puts those who don't on his enemies list and goes after them. This is well known, and Zuckerberg also knows it.

There. Mystery solved.


You may well sincerely think that you have this figured out but keep on doing your research. Eventually you will see this as a good thing because if it is true that a lot of censorship has been going on then perhaps some good news may soon be revealed that was suppressed in the past due to the amount of money that was at stake.

One rather obvious possible positive out come of this could be that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. may be able to free up Americans so that they can freely choose the Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski treatments if they find out that they or their loved one has cancer???


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Postby NorthernPesos » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:34 pm

Kerwa wrote:O noes, not the heckin’ billionairinos. How could they do that bros?

Although I think people have the relationship exactly backwards.


Whatever all was going on this past decade I am sure that a flood of interesting information from all over the spectrum will soon be available for us to use to arrive at a more well informed conclusion.

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Postby Beric » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:38 pm

Obviously there is some truth to the claim but not nearly as much as zuck would like to pretend.
Factchecking started under trump
biden's people did apply "some pressure"
platforms sued for injunction against biden government to remove said pressure during bidens tenure
suit was thrown out for lack of substantiation.

The suit was brought long before the election and before harris was the nominee. No reason to assume trump would win so why take the risk of angering biden with potentially 4 more years to go if there was no basis. There was no question the government contacted the platforms with "requests". But zuck lacked enough proof to get an injunction.
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Postby NorthernPesos » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:50 pm

Beric wrote:Obviously there is some truth to the claim but not nearly as much as zuck would like to pretend.
Factchecking started under trump
biden's people did apply "some pressure"
platforms sued for injunction against biden government to remove said pressure during bidens tenure
suit was thrown out for lack of substantiation.

The suit was brought long before the election and before harris was the nominee. No reason to assume trump would win so why take the risk of angering biden with potentially 4 more years to go if there was no basis. There was no question the government contacted the platforms with "requests". But zuck lacked enough proof to get an injunction.


Or could it be that there might just be tons of audio video proof that could perhaps have been shipped off to the N. S. A. that has much greater authority than the C.I.A????

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Postby Gravlen » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:52 pm

NorthernPesos wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Trump gives favours to the people who lick his boots, and puts those who don't on his enemies list and goes after them. This is well known, and Zuckerberg also knows it.

There. Mystery solved.


You may well sincerely think that you have this figured out but keep on doing your research.

You may think the earth is round, byt keep on doing your research.

NorthernPesos wrote:Eventually you will see this as a good thing because if it is true that a lot of censorship has been going on then perhaps some good news may soon be revealed that was suppressed in the past due to the amount of money that was at stake.

I don't think you understand what "censorship" is.
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:57 pm

Meh.
The federal government has had a dangerously incestuous relationship with telecommunications since at least J. Edgar.
Government manipulation of media for propaganda, politicking, social engineering, and criminal investigation has been situation normal for almost a century.
How the public side of this has blown up despite the NSA rumble not that long ago is still mostly unprecedented.
Public faith in media in general is dangerously low in the US, and I think it is deserved.
As far as information manipulation goes, social media just inherited all of the age old unsolved problems of the internet, and the telephone before that.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Postby Beric » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:00 pm

NorthernPesos wrote:
Beric wrote:Obviously there is some truth to the claim but not nearly as much as zuck would like to pretend.
Factchecking started under trump
biden's people did apply "some pressure"
platforms sued for injunction against biden government to remove said pressure during bidens tenure
suit was thrown out for lack of substantiation.

The suit was brought long before the election and before harris was the nominee. No reason to assume trump would win so why take the risk of angering biden with potentially 4 more years to go if there was no basis. There was no question the government contacted the platforms with "requests". But zuck lacked enough proof to get an injunction.


Or could it be that there might just be tons of audio video proof that could perhaps have been shipped off to the N. S. A. that has much greater authority than the C.I.A????

I have zero evidence to suggest that to be true.
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Postby NorthernPesos » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:00 pm

Corporate Collective Salvation wrote:Meh.
The federal government has had a dangerously incestuous relationship with telecommunications since at least J. Edgar.
Government manipulation of media for propaganda, politicking, social engineering, and criminal investigation has been situation normal for almost a century.
How the public side of this has blown up despite the NSA rumble not that long ago is still mostly unprecedented.
Faith in media in general is dangerously low in the US, and I think it is deserved.


I think that your analysis of what has been happening is exceptionally accurate and insightful. Thank you Corporate Collective Salvation!

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Postby Galloism » Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:05 pm

It’s probably true ish.

Framing is important, and we should really consider how he’s framing it with a “new boss in town”. The way we all watched all the social media companies act as one in censoring information (some of which turned out to be true, but was suppressed anyway) bears the hallmarks of government intervention across multiple domains happening at once.

You shouldn’t trust anyone. Not billionaires and definitely not the government.
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