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Socialist Ancomistan
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Postby Socialist Ancomistan » Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:19 am

Liberal Malaysia wrote:Folks who celebrated Oct. 7 hysterical over Musk hand-on-heart gesture.

Real antisemites LARP condemnation of make-believe antisemitism.


LM is essentially stating that anyone who expressed legitimate concern over Musk’s Nazi salute would have celebrated Hamas’ attack on Israel on October 7, 2023. He also referred to anyone who called out said Nazi salute as antisemitic.
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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:56 am

Socialist Ancomistan wrote:
Liberal Malaysia wrote:Folks who celebrated Oct. 7 hysterical over Musk hand-on-heart gesture.

Real antisemites LARP condemnation of make-believe antisemitism.


LM is essentially stating that anyone who expressed legitimate concern over Musk’s Nazi salute would have celebrated Hamas’ attack on Israel on October 7, 2023. He also referred to anyone who called out said Nazi salute as antisemitic.

Essentially “All X are Y” trolling


I'm pointing out the fact that those who celebrated Oct. 7, which by definition makes them antisemitic, would be the same sorts of people to make a scene over Elon Musk's hand gesture. Of those who have kicked up a fuss over Elon Musk, many if not most of them are indeed antisemitic. I'm calling out the Left's own disgusting antisemitism and hypocrisy.

Saying "the Left is antisemitic" isn't trolling in the slightest. I've said it many times before without issue and I'll keep saying it. Far worse things have been said about the Right. Trump and Musk supporters have been smeared as fascists, racists, Nazis, homophobes, transphobes, "Islamophobes", and ironically enough, as antisemites, and pretty much every other insult imaginable on these forums, and none of it is actionable trolling.
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Postby The Overmind » Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:25 pm

For context Liberal Malaysia has a very well-known... breadth of definition for those who "celebrate" October 7th, and for those who are "anti-semitic." The undertones seem to be the usual ones Liberal Malaysia goes for. I don't think I'd have reported this as "All X are Y" but the way it was put in the title, flamebaiting.
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Postby Socialist Ancomistan » Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:51 pm

The Overmind wrote:For context Liberal Malaysia has a very well-known... breadth of definition for those who "celebrate" October 7th, and for those who are "anti-semitic." The undertones seem to be the usual ones Liberal Malaysia goes for. I don't think I'd have reported this as "All X are Y" but the way it was put in the title, flamebaiting.


That makes sense, I will edit out that bit
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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:49 pm

The Overmind wrote:For context Liberal Malaysia has a very well-known... breadth of definition for those who "celebrate" October 7th, and for those who are "anti-semitic." The undertones seem to be the usual ones Liberal Malaysia goes for. I don't think I'd have reported this as "All X are Y" but the way it was put in the title, flamebaiting.


Left-leaning players have a very well-known breadth of definition for those defined as "Islamophobic", transphobic, racist, fascist, sexist, etc. The real undertone for these posters is that Trump and Musk supporters are all Nazis and antisemites or are enabling Nazism and antisemitism. If I'm flamebaiting, then they're doing it 100 times over, even if they don't call us Nazis and antisemites explicitly, which I believe is what an undertone is. A simple thread trawl of the last couple of pages of hysterical posts about Elon Musk's hand gesture would prove my point.

You're demanding the right for left-leaning players to call right-leaning players Nazis and antisemites while denying right-leaning players the ability to respond in kind. This is a clear double standard.
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Postby The Overmind » Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:38 am

Liberal Malaysia wrote:
The Overmind wrote:For context Liberal Malaysia has a very well-known... breadth of definition for those who "celebrate" October 7th, and for those who are "anti-semitic." The undertones seem to be the usual ones Liberal Malaysia goes for. I don't think I'd have reported this as "All X are Y" but the way it was put in the title, flamebaiting.


Left-leaning players have a very well-known breadth of definition for those defined as "Islamophobic", transphobic, racist, fascist, sexist, etc. The real undertone for these posters is that Trump and Musk supporters are all Nazis and antisemites or are enabling Nazism and antisemitism. If I'm flamebaiting, then they're doing it 100 times over, even if they don't call us Nazis and antisemites explicitly, which I believe is what an undertone is. A simple thread trawl of the last couple of pages of hysterical posts about Elon Musk's hand gesture would prove my point.

You're demanding the right for left-leaning players to call right-leaning players Nazis and antisemites while denying right-leaning players the ability to respond in kind. This is a clear double standard.

This is not relevant to the report. Please do not quote me in moderation for things unrelated to the report.
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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:44 am

The Overmind wrote:
Liberal Malaysia wrote:
Left-leaning players have a very well-known breadth of definition for those defined as "Islamophobic", transphobic, racist, fascist, sexist, etc. The real undertone for these posters is that Trump and Musk supporters are all Nazis and antisemites or are enabling Nazism and antisemitism. If I'm flamebaiting, then they're doing it 100 times over, even if they don't call us Nazis and antisemites explicitly, which I believe is what an undertone is. A simple thread trawl of the last couple of pages of hysterical posts about Elon Musk's hand gesture would prove my point.

You're demanding the right for left-leaning players to call right-leaning players Nazis and antisemites while denying right-leaning players the ability to respond in kind. This is a clear double standard.

This is not relevant to the report. Please do not quote me in moderation for things unrelated to the report.


It's directly relevant to the report as you are now seconding the OP's report against me. It is part of my ongoing defense against allegations of "flamebaiting". As the reported player, I'm entitled to respond.
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Postby United Calanworie » Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:45 pm

Good evening,

Here's the situation as it stands:
-> Incendiary comment is made saying that all the people who are concerned about Elon Musk making a Nazi salute on live national television are the same individuals who support an attack by a terrorist organization
-> Comment is reported
-> Comment is defended with further expansion in the Moderation forum

The Moderation forum is not the venue to defend your comments by expanding on them. We do not allow "well I didn't mean it like that" as a defense when it comes to trolling. The post is adjudicated in the context of the thread it is posted in. In the context of its posting, the reported post is trolling and I am issuing a *** 7 day ban for trolling *** to Liberal Malaysia. This is a standard escalation when bans are issued in quick succession like this.

LM, If you want to avoid further bans (and I really think you do) then you need to take the following incredibly simple advice to heart:

Make your intent known the first time around. There should not be another instance where you have to clarify yourself after the fact in Moderation. If what you meant was "the left is being antisemitic," then you need to say that. You cannot couch it as "the left is celebrating terror attacks" and expect to walk away without getting warned/banned.

And with that said, you're running out the clock. The standard next step from a 7 day ban is a deletion and two week forumban.
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