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[DRAFT] Ethical Protection of Gender Affirming Care

Postby Providence Plantations and Rhode Island » Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:14 pm

Draft 1.

Ethical Protection of Gender Affirming Care

Believing the lives of transgender individuals to be at risk due to unprotected medical treatments and practices;

Acknowledging the struggles and discrimination transgender individuals face;

Hereby outlines all gender affirming care as official medical treatment, to be regulated as such under all applicable General Assembly Resolutions.


1. Definitions:
a.“Gender-affirming care” is defined as any medical, surgical, phycological, or pharmaceutical treatment intended to support an individual in aligning their physical or physiological traits with their gender identity. This includes but is not limited to:
b. Hormone therapy, including puberty blockers, testosterone, estrogen, and related medications;
c. Gender-affirming surgeries such as top surgery, bottom surgery, and related reconstructive procedures;
d. Psychological or psychiatric counseling directly related to gender identity.

2. Gender-Affirming Care as Medical Treatment:

a. Gender-affirming care, as defined in Section 1, is hereby classified as medical treatment for all purposes under General Assembly Resolutions and domestic laws.
b. This classification applies regardless of whether medical treatment is intended to address an officially diagnosed condition or not.

3. Prohibition of Legal Loopholes:

a. Member states may not redefine gender-affirming care as non-medical;
b. Member states may not use similar semantic arguments to evade compliance with General Assembly Resolutions on medical treatment;
c. Any domestic law or policy that defines gender-affirming care as anything other than medical treatment is in violation of this resolution and must be amended or suspended indefinitely.
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Postby The One Galactic Republic » Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:28 pm

Seems good on first quick readthrough, and I definitely agree with the idea. Someone smarter than me will probably have actual advice on the proposal.
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Postby Providence Plantations and Rhode Island » Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:39 pm

The One Galactic Republic wrote:Seems good on first quick readthrough, and I definitely agree with the idea. Someone smarter than me will probably have actual advice on the proposal.


Thank you, I appreciate your support.
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Postby Cessarea » Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:44 pm

Let it be noted that this proposal appears to be competing with this draft by Simone Republic, on the same subject. This is not bad or wrong, I'm just leaving this link here for the sake of notation and comparison to future readers, I felt it was important. Will read and give feedback to this proposal later.
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Postby The Overmind » Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:50 pm

Opposed.
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Postby Untecna » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:13 pm

Opposed. Simone's draft is better, and the author has shown that they don't actually care about transgender people. Not to mention the near-obvious intent for the author to follow this up with something that abuses the requirement on medical definition.
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Postby Providence Plantations and Rhode Island » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:27 pm

Untecna wrote:Opposed. Simone's draft is better, and the author has shown that they don't actually care about transgender people. Not to mention the near-obvious intent for the author to follow this up with something that abuses the requirement on medical definition.


As a member of the LGBTQ+ community, I do care deeply about transgender individuals. My opposition to Simone's proposal is simple; it is overly complicated and requires word gymnastics to go into effect. I believe that my proposal can protect transgender individuals' rights and very importantly can gain a strong majority of yay votes in the process. As for speculation on future resolutions, I have none planned regarding this topic, but saying I did, like the others they would have to go through the same approval/voting process.

I understand your opposition and I thank you for considering my balanced proposal.
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Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
Untecna wrote:Opposed. Simone's draft is better, and the author has shown that they don't actually care about transgender people. Not to mention the near-obvious intent for the author to follow this up with something that abuses the requirement on medical definition.


As a member of the LGBTQ+ community, I do care deeply about transgender individuals. My opposition to Simone's proposal is simple; it is overly complicated and requires word gymnastics to go into effect. I believe that my proposal can protect transgender individuals' rights and very importantly can gain a strong majority of yay votes in the process. As for speculation on future resolutions, I have none planned regarding this topic, but saying I did, like the others they would have to go through the same approval/voting process.

I understand your opposition and I thank you for considering my balanced proposal.

lol, you do realize all of your responses to Simone's draft are still there advertising the truth of your intentions? You can't delete them, and they're quoted, so good luck editing them.
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Postby Providence Plantations and Rhode Island » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:30 pm

The Overmind wrote:
Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
As a member of the LGBTQ+ community, I do care deeply about transgender individuals. My opposition to Simone's proposal is simple; it is overly complicated and requires word gymnastics to go into effect. I believe that my proposal can protect transgender individuals' rights and very importantly can gain a strong majority of yay votes in the process. As for speculation on future resolutions, I have none planned regarding this topic, but saying I did, like the others they would have to go through the same approval/voting process.

I understand your opposition and I thank you for considering my balanced proposal.

lol, you do realize all of your responses to Simone's draft are still there advertising the truth of your intentions? You can't delete them, and they're quoted, so good luck editing them.


That extreme proposal would only drive more hate towards the community, hence me strongly opposing it.
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Postby Pathonia » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:33 pm

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"We believe that the proposal from [Simone Republic] approaches or otherwise handles this topic in a more satisfactory- *hiccup* -way than this proposal, which leads us to state our opposition to this proposal as it currently is written."

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Postby Comfed » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:34 pm

What, exactly, is the point of defining "all gender affirming care as official medical treatment," as you say in the preamble? You seem to think this is very important, but I can't discern why.

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Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
Untecna wrote:Opposed. Simone's draft is better, and the author has shown that they don't actually care about transgender people. Not to mention the near-obvious intent for the author to follow this up with something that abuses the requirement on medical definition.


As a member of the LGBTQ+ community, I do care deeply about transgender individuals. My opposition to Simone's proposal is simple; it is overly complicated and requires word gymnastics to go into effect. I believe that my proposal can protect transgender individuals' rights and very importantly can gain a strong majority of yay votes in the process. As for speculation on future resolutions, I have none planned regarding this topic, but saying I did, like the others they would have to go through the same approval/voting process.

I understand your opposition and I thank you for considering my balanced proposal.

And in your spat of anger that you aren't getting all the attention, you've made a poorly-written proposal that is rife with bad clauses, potential for abuse, and lacking many of the protections which makes Simone's draft far superior.

Besides, your comments on Simone's thread are enough to know that you don't actually care about transgender people. I don't care if you're a part of the broader community, because that changes nothing.
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Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
The Overmind wrote:lol, you do realize all of your responses to Simone's draft are still there advertising the truth of your intentions? You can't delete them, and they're quoted, so good luck editing them.


That extreme proposal would only drive more hate towards the community, hence me strongly opposing it.

Not even remotely how marginalization and oppression work.
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Postby Providence Plantations and Rhode Island » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:39 pm

Comfed wrote:What, exactly, is the point of defining "all gender affirming care as official medical treatment," as you say in the preamble? You seem to think this is very important, but I can't discern why.


Allowing medical treatments, particularly those related to gender-affirming care, to be conducted outside the oversight of trained, licensed professionals poses serious risks to individuals' health and well-being. Just as abortion is recognized as a medical procedure that should be performed within the framework of regulated, professional care to ensure the safety of all individuals seeking such services, the same standard of care should apply to transgender individuals seeking medical transition. We must remain vigilant in preventing harmful, unregulated practices that could leave vulnerable communities exposed to exploitation or unsafe procedures. The intent is to protect individuals from the potential harms of unqualified, clandestine providers, and to uphold their right to care that is safe, ethical, and compassionate.
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Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
Comfed wrote:What, exactly, is the point of defining "all gender affirming care as official medical treatment," as you say in the preamble? You seem to think this is very important, but I can't discern why.


Allowing medical treatments, particularly those related to gender-affirming care, to be conducted outside the oversight of trained, licensed professionals poses serious risks to individuals' health and well-being. Just as abortion is recognized as a medical procedure that should be performed within the framework of regulated, professional care to ensure the safety of all individuals seeking such services, the same standard of care should apply to transgender individuals seeking medical transition. We must remain vigilant in preventing harmful, unregulated practices that could leave vulnerable communities exposed to exploitation or unsafe procedures. The intent is to protect individuals from the potential harms of unqualified, clandestine providers, and to uphold their right to care that is safe, ethical, and compassionate.

Comfed, to be clear, this reasoning is not genuine. People who opposed gender-affirming care often say these same lines, just the same as abortion. It's an attempt to make it harder to get that care, not easier.
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Untecna wrote:
Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
Allowing medical treatments, particularly those related to gender-affirming care, to be conducted outside the oversight of trained, licensed professionals poses serious risks to individuals' health and well-being. Just as abortion is recognized as a medical procedure that should be performed within the framework of regulated, professional care to ensure the safety of all individuals seeking such services, the same standard of care should apply to transgender individuals seeking medical transition. We must remain vigilant in preventing harmful, unregulated practices that could leave vulnerable communities exposed to exploitation or unsafe procedures. The intent is to protect individuals from the potential harms of unqualified, clandestine providers, and to uphold their right to care that is safe, ethical, and compassionate.

Comfed, to be clear, this reasoning is not genuine. People who opposed gender-affirming care often say these same lines, just the same as abortion. It's an attempt to make it harder to get that care, not easier.


So you're okay with the idea of untrained individuals carrying out complex surgeries? That is what Simone's proposal would allow, albeit not intentionally.
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Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
Comfed wrote:What, exactly, is the point of defining "all gender affirming care as official medical treatment," as you say in the preamble? You seem to think this is very important, but I can't discern why.


Allowing medical treatments, particularly those related to gender-affirming care, to be conducted outside the oversight of trained, licensed professionals poses serious risks to individuals' health and well-being. Just as abortion is recognized as a medical procedure that should be performed within the framework of regulated, professional care to ensure the safety of all individuals seeking such services, the same standard of care should apply to transgender individuals seeking medical transition. We must remain vigilant in preventing harmful, unregulated practices that could leave vulnerable communities exposed to exploitation or unsafe procedures. The intent is to protect individuals from the potential harms of unqualified, clandestine providers, and to uphold their right to care that is safe, ethical, and compassionate.

Defining GAHT, surgery, and puberty blockers as both treatments and elective measures does absolutely nothing to preclude their administration by trained medical professionals only.
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Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
Untecna wrote:Comfed, to be clear, this reasoning is not genuine. People who opposed gender-affirming care often say these same lines, just the same as abortion. It's an attempt to make it harder to get that care, not easier.


So you're okay with the idea of untrained individuals carrying out complex surgeries? That is what Simone's proposal would allow, albeit not intentionally.

Yet that doesn't happen. That's the thing, Providence. Your talking points, terrible as they are, have no basis. You're just inventing things to be angry at, to subsequently get attention with.
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Postby Providence Plantations and Rhode Island » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:54 pm

Untecna wrote:
Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
So you're okay with the idea of untrained individuals carrying out complex surgeries? That is what Simone's proposal would allow, albeit not intentionally.

Yet that doesn't happen. That's the thing, Providence. Your talking points, terrible as they are, have no basis. You're just inventing things to be angry at, to subsequently get attention with.


I disagree. Horrible things happen in the void of bad regulation.
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Postby Providence Plantations and Rhode Island » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:55 pm

The Overmind wrote:
Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
Allowing medical treatments, particularly those related to gender-affirming care, to be conducted outside the oversight of trained, licensed professionals poses serious risks to individuals' health and well-being. Just as abortion is recognized as a medical procedure that should be performed within the framework of regulated, professional care to ensure the safety of all individuals seeking such services, the same standard of care should apply to transgender individuals seeking medical transition. We must remain vigilant in preventing harmful, unregulated practices that could leave vulnerable communities exposed to exploitation or unsafe procedures. The intent is to protect individuals from the potential harms of unqualified, clandestine providers, and to uphold their right to care that is safe, ethical, and compassionate.

Defining GAHT, surgery, and puberty blockers as both treatments and elective measures does absolutely nothing to preclude their administration by trained medical professionals only.


Is plastic surgery a medical procedure? It doesn't cure a disease, just like gender affirming care, but it is still considered medical.
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Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
Untecna wrote:Yet that doesn't happen. That's the thing, Providence. Your talking points, terrible as they are, have no basis. You're just inventing things to be angry at, to subsequently get attention with.


I disagree. Horrible things happen in the void of bad regulation.

Definitions are not regulations.
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Postby Untecna » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:56 pm

Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
Untecna wrote:Yet that doesn't happen. That's the thing, Providence. Your talking points, terrible as they are, have no basis. You're just inventing things to be angry at, to subsequently get attention with.


I disagree. Horrible things happen in the void of bad regulation.

You don't have a factual basis, therefore this argument is invalid.

Your want to oppress trans people is not going to make you more popular, Providence.
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Postby Providence Plantations and Rhode Island » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:57 pm

Untecna wrote:
Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
I disagree. Horrible things happen in the void of bad regulation.

You don't have a factual basis, therefore this argument is invalid.

Your want to oppress trans people is not going to make you more popular, Providence.


You are stating opinions . . .
This isn't about being popular. This is about bringing something to the Assembly that people from both sides could agree on.
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Postby The Overmind » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:58 pm

Providence Plantations and Rhode Island wrote:
The Overmind wrote:Defining GAHT, surgery, and puberty blockers as both treatments and elective measures does absolutely nothing to preclude their administration by trained medical professionals only.


Is plastic surgery a medical procedure?

Elective cosmetic procedures are not considered medical treatments by the AMA, no.
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Postby Pathonia » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:59 pm

I would encourage you to try and detail your proposal more, if you did want to address the issue of untrained individuals effecting medical treatment.
Perhaps a clause or several could be included in your proposal to do the same, such as issuing training mandates to member-states, or something of that sort.

Outside of defining gender-affirming care as medical treatment in your draft, it doesn't really do too much to 'protect' (as is implied by the title) gender-affirming care.

Our opposition still stands.
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