NATION

PASSWORD

How To Forgive Myself After Loosing A Debate?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
User avatar
Kasdados
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1012
Founded: Jun 02, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

How To Forgive Myself After Loosing A Debate?

Postby Kasdados » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:01 am

Hey, this is a continuation of “how to get better at debating”. As stated in that thread, I often run away from arguments - constructive or toxic - as soon as I’m disproved. I moderate my principles to the point of null, I desperately attempt to concede whenever my opponents are winning, and I just feel like I don’t have the courage or zeal to actually argue with people. It makes me feel… stupid. A coward. I feel like my ideas don’t have any worth, and I should be better off living a life of diplomacy - desperately attempting to not offend anyone on this planet as to ensure I don’t feel idiotic. I’m tired, to put it briefly. So, returning to the question - how do I make myself feel better after yet another debate failure?

Thank you.
Aussie Patriot. Proud grandson of Greeks - prouder Son of Our Lord And Saviour. Passionate lover of creative writing, the bridge betwixt the realms beyond our own and the comprehension of our minds. Aspergers is its name, awesome is its game. Suave gentleman, debonair intellectual, kind soul. Lover of history, of politics, of civilisation. Devotee of Tolkien, of Frank Herbert, of George R. R Martin - the forgers of worlds. Supporter of Thomas Aquinas, of Aristotle, of Marcus Aurelius. Opponent of blasphemers, of uncreatives, and impolites.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" — Galatians 5:22-23.

User avatar
Tesseris
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 488
Founded: Apr 25, 2024
Corporate Police State

Postby Tesseris » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:03 am

Advice for being a Politician

-Never admit fault or wrongness, whatever happens, you're always in the right and your opponent is in the wrong...It is never your fault, always someone else's...

-Undermine your opponents credibility...Bring up your opponents own mistakes to do so

-Now you can't do this on NS, but flamebait tends to work quite well if they're hot headed, just don't try this on here

-Paint your opponent as the monster they definitely are and yourself as a saint
Last edited by Tesseris on Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:10 am, edited 8 times in total.
[/b]
God is not our king, and Humanity will win!
This is the same angry Peruvian who passionately hates Chile, a certain Stella Nera. NS Stats were tried for treason against humanity and executed.
Officially known as the ''Unified Resistance of Tesseris''

Against the Divine Oppressor Deus and his following we stand, the beacon of resistance to Divine Tyranny and Totalitarianism
.
The Current Year 1410 AC (Equivalent to around 1874 AD). Population, 80 million. Human Supremacist Unitarian Misotheistic Militaristic Meritocracy.

Those who commit treason against humanity must be re-educated where they can and punished where they must. Humanity shines brighter than anything else, for it and only Humanity was created in the Image of God.

User avatar
Emotional Support Crocodile
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6209
Founded: Jun 06, 2022
New York Times Democracy

Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:04 am

Tesseris wrote:Never admit fault or wrongness, whatever happens, you're always in the right and your opponent is in the wrong...It is never your fault, always someone else's...


The stupidest advice ever.
Just another surprising item on the bagging scale of life


There's a goose in my mind

User avatar
Kasdados
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1012
Founded: Jun 02, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Kasdados » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:04 am

Tesseris wrote:Never admit fault or wrongness, whatever happens, you're always in the right and your opponent is in the wrong...It is never your fault, always someone else's...

That… doesn’t seem very healthy, sorry to say. And very insular.
Aussie Patriot. Proud grandson of Greeks - prouder Son of Our Lord And Saviour. Passionate lover of creative writing, the bridge betwixt the realms beyond our own and the comprehension of our minds. Aspergers is its name, awesome is its game. Suave gentleman, debonair intellectual, kind soul. Lover of history, of politics, of civilisation. Devotee of Tolkien, of Frank Herbert, of George R. R Martin - the forgers of worlds. Supporter of Thomas Aquinas, of Aristotle, of Marcus Aurelius. Opponent of blasphemers, of uncreatives, and impolites.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" — Galatians 5:22-23.

User avatar
Kasdados
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1012
Founded: Jun 02, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Kasdados » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:07 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
Tesseris wrote:Never admit fault or wrongness, whatever happens, you're always in the right and your opponent is in the wrong...It is never your fault, always someone else's...


The stupidest advice ever.

Quite exactly. Thank you.
Aussie Patriot. Proud grandson of Greeks - prouder Son of Our Lord And Saviour. Passionate lover of creative writing, the bridge betwixt the realms beyond our own and the comprehension of our minds. Aspergers is its name, awesome is its game. Suave gentleman, debonair intellectual, kind soul. Lover of history, of politics, of civilisation. Devotee of Tolkien, of Frank Herbert, of George R. R Martin - the forgers of worlds. Supporter of Thomas Aquinas, of Aristotle, of Marcus Aurelius. Opponent of blasphemers, of uncreatives, and impolites.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" — Galatians 5:22-23.

User avatar
E s t r u s
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 100
Founded: Feb 17, 2024
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby E s t r u s » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:07 am

You don't always have to win the debate. Discussions are only there to learn more.
ꑭ ESTRUS IS A NATIOCRACY IN EASTERN EUROPE ꑭ

Current government plan: reduce corruption
NS stats are mostly canon

User avatar
Tesseris
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 488
Founded: Apr 25, 2024
Corporate Police State

Postby Tesseris » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:07 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
Tesseris wrote:Never admit fault or wrongness, whatever happens, you're always in the right and your opponent is in the wrong...It is never your fault, always someone else's...


The stupidest advice ever.


This is what you learn in How to be a Politician 101, its just basic knowledge. Its not stupid, its quite smart actually.
Last edited by Tesseris on Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:07 am, edited 1 time in total.
[/b]
God is not our king, and Humanity will win!
This is the same angry Peruvian who passionately hates Chile, a certain Stella Nera. NS Stats were tried for treason against humanity and executed.
Officially known as the ''Unified Resistance of Tesseris''

Against the Divine Oppressor Deus and his following we stand, the beacon of resistance to Divine Tyranny and Totalitarianism
.
The Current Year 1410 AC (Equivalent to around 1874 AD). Population, 80 million. Human Supremacist Unitarian Misotheistic Militaristic Meritocracy.

Those who commit treason against humanity must be re-educated where they can and punished where they must. Humanity shines brighter than anything else, for it and only Humanity was created in the Image of God.

User avatar
Kasdados
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1012
Founded: Jun 02, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Kasdados » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:09 am

Tesseris wrote:
Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
The stupidest advice ever.


This is what you learn in How to be a Politician 101, its just basic knowledge. Its not stupid, its quite smart actually.

Am I a politician? No. Am I attempting to be a decent human being? Yes. Am I trying to make friends? Yes.
E s t r u s wrote:You don't always have to win the debate. Discussions are only there to learn more.

Yeah, but… I’m talking about the immediate aftershocks. When everyone’s thoroughly turned against me, and my self-loathing is most potent.
Aussie Patriot. Proud grandson of Greeks - prouder Son of Our Lord And Saviour. Passionate lover of creative writing, the bridge betwixt the realms beyond our own and the comprehension of our minds. Aspergers is its name, awesome is its game. Suave gentleman, debonair intellectual, kind soul. Lover of history, of politics, of civilisation. Devotee of Tolkien, of Frank Herbert, of George R. R Martin - the forgers of worlds. Supporter of Thomas Aquinas, of Aristotle, of Marcus Aurelius. Opponent of blasphemers, of uncreatives, and impolites.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" — Galatians 5:22-23.

User avatar
E s t r u s
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 100
Founded: Feb 17, 2024
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby E s t r u s » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:10 am

Tesseris wrote:This is what you learn in How to be a Politician 101, its just basic knowledge. Its not stupid, its quite smart actually.

No. In this way, a person simply closes in his or her own bubble and does not allow other opinions that can improve knowledge in a particular area to pass through. Anyone will never be right in all areas. Every person is wrong.
ꑭ ESTRUS IS A NATIOCRACY IN EASTERN EUROPE ꑭ

Current government plan: reduce corruption
NS stats are mostly canon

User avatar
Tesseris
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 488
Founded: Apr 25, 2024
Corporate Police State

Postby Tesseris » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:10 am

Kasdados wrote:
Tesseris wrote:
This is what you learn in How to be a Politician 101, its just basic knowledge. Its not stupid, its quite smart actually.

Am I a politician? No. Am I attempting to be a decent human being? Yes. Am I trying to make friends? Yes.
E s t r u s wrote:You don't always have to win the debate. Discussions are only there to learn more.

Yeah, but… I’m talking about the immediate aftershocks. When everyone’s thoroughly turned against me, and my self-loathing is most potent.


Who needs friends, you just have to be right. Also the AN is wrong.
Last edited by Tesseris on Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
[/b]
God is not our king, and Humanity will win!
This is the same angry Peruvian who passionately hates Chile, a certain Stella Nera. NS Stats were tried for treason against humanity and executed.
Officially known as the ''Unified Resistance of Tesseris''

Against the Divine Oppressor Deus and his following we stand, the beacon of resistance to Divine Tyranny and Totalitarianism
.
The Current Year 1410 AC (Equivalent to around 1874 AD). Population, 80 million. Human Supremacist Unitarian Misotheistic Militaristic Meritocracy.

Those who commit treason against humanity must be re-educated where they can and punished where they must. Humanity shines brighter than anything else, for it and only Humanity was created in the Image of God.

User avatar
Kasdados
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1012
Founded: Jun 02, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Kasdados » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:12 am

E s t r u s wrote:
Tesseris wrote:This is what you learn in How to be a Politician 101, its just basic knowledge. Its not stupid, its quite smart actually.

No. In this way, a person simply closes in his or her own bubble and does not allow other opinions that can improve knowledge in a particular area to pass through. Anyone will never be right in all areas. Every person is wrong.

This, right here. Every person, quite simply, deserves damnation. We are all sinners, and all of our perspectives are relativistic. Only through the guidance of Our Lord And Saviour may we gain a taste of objective reality.
Aussie Patriot. Proud grandson of Greeks - prouder Son of Our Lord And Saviour. Passionate lover of creative writing, the bridge betwixt the realms beyond our own and the comprehension of our minds. Aspergers is its name, awesome is its game. Suave gentleman, debonair intellectual, kind soul. Lover of history, of politics, of civilisation. Devotee of Tolkien, of Frank Herbert, of George R. R Martin - the forgers of worlds. Supporter of Thomas Aquinas, of Aristotle, of Marcus Aurelius. Opponent of blasphemers, of uncreatives, and impolites.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" — Galatians 5:22-23.

User avatar
Tesseris
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 488
Founded: Apr 25, 2024
Corporate Police State

Postby Tesseris » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:13 am

Kasdados wrote:
E s t r u s wrote:No. In this way, a person simply closes in his or her own bubble and does not allow other opinions that can improve knowledge in a particular area to pass through. Anyone will never be right in all areas. Every person is wrong.

This, right here. Every person, quite simply, deserves damnation. We are all sinners, and all of our perspectives are relativistic. Only through the guidance of Our Lord And Saviour may we gain a taste of objective reality.


Who needs God when we have Anime-

(Don't cancel me, I'm clearly joking)
[/b]
God is not our king, and Humanity will win!
This is the same angry Peruvian who passionately hates Chile, a certain Stella Nera. NS Stats were tried for treason against humanity and executed.
Officially known as the ''Unified Resistance of Tesseris''

Against the Divine Oppressor Deus and his following we stand, the beacon of resistance to Divine Tyranny and Totalitarianism
.
The Current Year 1410 AC (Equivalent to around 1874 AD). Population, 80 million. Human Supremacist Unitarian Misotheistic Militaristic Meritocracy.

Those who commit treason against humanity must be re-educated where they can and punished where they must. Humanity shines brighter than anything else, for it and only Humanity was created in the Image of God.

User avatar
Kasdados
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1012
Founded: Jun 02, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Kasdados » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:14 am

Tesseris wrote:
Kasdados wrote:Am I a politician? No. Am I attempting to be a decent human being? Yes. Am I trying to make friends? Yes.

Yeah, but… I’m talking about the immediate aftershocks. When everyone’s thoroughly turned against me, and my self-loathing is most potent.


Who needs friends, you just have to be right. Also the AN is wrong.

Ummm… No. Just no.
Aussie Patriot. Proud grandson of Greeks - prouder Son of Our Lord And Saviour. Passionate lover of creative writing, the bridge betwixt the realms beyond our own and the comprehension of our minds. Aspergers is its name, awesome is its game. Suave gentleman, debonair intellectual, kind soul. Lover of history, of politics, of civilisation. Devotee of Tolkien, of Frank Herbert, of George R. R Martin - the forgers of worlds. Supporter of Thomas Aquinas, of Aristotle, of Marcus Aurelius. Opponent of blasphemers, of uncreatives, and impolites.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" — Galatians 5:22-23.

User avatar
Tesseris
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 488
Founded: Apr 25, 2024
Corporate Police State

Postby Tesseris » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:16 am

Kasdados wrote:
Tesseris wrote:
Who needs friends, you just have to be right. Also the AN is wrong.

Ummm… No. Just no.

Wrong. I'm right.
[/b]
God is not our king, and Humanity will win!
This is the same angry Peruvian who passionately hates Chile, a certain Stella Nera. NS Stats were tried for treason against humanity and executed.
Officially known as the ''Unified Resistance of Tesseris''

Against the Divine Oppressor Deus and his following we stand, the beacon of resistance to Divine Tyranny and Totalitarianism
.
The Current Year 1410 AC (Equivalent to around 1874 AD). Population, 80 million. Human Supremacist Unitarian Misotheistic Militaristic Meritocracy.

Those who commit treason against humanity must be re-educated where they can and punished where they must. Humanity shines brighter than anything else, for it and only Humanity was created in the Image of God.

User avatar
E s t r u s
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 100
Founded: Feb 17, 2024
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby E s t r u s » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:16 am

See, Kasdados? Regardless of whether a person thinks they are right or wrong, you will still analyse their actions and subconsciously decide which side you are on.

It's true that you shouldn't have friends. But that doesn't mean you have to give them up. It is true that in a discussion, the main thing is to prove your point. But that doesn't mean it will be the right one.

Don't take the discussion as something personal. Every argument your opponent makes that destroys yours is an opportunity to research the issue better, gain knowledge, and then come back with a vengeance with other, more powerful arguments.
ꑭ ESTRUS IS A NATIOCRACY IN EASTERN EUROPE ꑭ

Current government plan: reduce corruption
NS stats are mostly canon

User avatar
Kasdados
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1012
Founded: Jun 02, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Kasdados » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:17 am

E s t r u s wrote:See, Kasdados? Regardless of whether a person thinks they are right or wrong, you will still analyse their actions and subconsciously decide which side you are on.

It's true that you shouldn't have friends. But that doesn't mean you have to give them up. It is true that in a discussion, the main thing is to prove your point. But that doesn't mean it will be the right one.

Don't take the discussion as something personal. Every argument your opponent makes that destroys yours is an opportunity to research the issue better, gain knowledge, and then come back with a vengeance with other, more powerful arguments.

… Thank you, so much. I really, really needed that.
Aussie Patriot. Proud grandson of Greeks - prouder Son of Our Lord And Saviour. Passionate lover of creative writing, the bridge betwixt the realms beyond our own and the comprehension of our minds. Aspergers is its name, awesome is its game. Suave gentleman, debonair intellectual, kind soul. Lover of history, of politics, of civilisation. Devotee of Tolkien, of Frank Herbert, of George R. R Martin - the forgers of worlds. Supporter of Thomas Aquinas, of Aristotle, of Marcus Aurelius. Opponent of blasphemers, of uncreatives, and impolites.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" — Galatians 5:22-23.

User avatar
E s t r u s
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 100
Founded: Feb 17, 2024
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby E s t r u s » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:19 am

Kasdados wrote:… Thank you, so much. I really, really needed that.

You're welcome.
ꑭ ESTRUS IS A NATIOCRACY IN EASTERN EUROPE ꑭ

Current government plan: reduce corruption
NS stats are mostly canon

User avatar
Tesseris
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 488
Founded: Apr 25, 2024
Corporate Police State

Postby Tesseris » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:19 am

Kasdados wrote:
E s t r u s wrote:See, Kasdados? Regardless of whether a person thinks they are right or wrong, you will still analyse their actions and subconsciously decide which side you are on.

It's true that you shouldn't have friends. But that doesn't mean you have to give them up. It is true that in a discussion, the main thing is to prove your point. But that doesn't mean it will be the right one.

Don't take the discussion as something personal. Every argument your opponent makes that destroys yours is an opportunity to research the issue better, gain knowledge, and then come back with a vengeance with other, more powerful arguments.

… Thank you, so much. I really, really needed that.


I'm getting the feeling you created this thread more for emotional support after losing an argument with someone online and less to actually find strategies to win future arguments...
Last edited by Tesseris on Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:20 am, edited 1 time in total.
[/b]
God is not our king, and Humanity will win!
This is the same angry Peruvian who passionately hates Chile, a certain Stella Nera. NS Stats were tried for treason against humanity and executed.
Officially known as the ''Unified Resistance of Tesseris''

Against the Divine Oppressor Deus and his following we stand, the beacon of resistance to Divine Tyranny and Totalitarianism
.
The Current Year 1410 AC (Equivalent to around 1874 AD). Population, 80 million. Human Supremacist Unitarian Misotheistic Militaristic Meritocracy.

Those who commit treason against humanity must be re-educated where they can and punished where they must. Humanity shines brighter than anything else, for it and only Humanity was created in the Image of God.

User avatar
Kasdados
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1012
Founded: Jun 02, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Kasdados » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:20 am

E s t r u s wrote:
Kasdados wrote:… Thank you, so much. I really, really needed that.

You're welcome.

You’re a good man, Estrus. A good man.

But, still - what should I tell myself after loosing an argument? Aside from the fact that it isn’t personal, of course.
Aussie Patriot. Proud grandson of Greeks - prouder Son of Our Lord And Saviour. Passionate lover of creative writing, the bridge betwixt the realms beyond our own and the comprehension of our minds. Aspergers is its name, awesome is its game. Suave gentleman, debonair intellectual, kind soul. Lover of history, of politics, of civilisation. Devotee of Tolkien, of Frank Herbert, of George R. R Martin - the forgers of worlds. Supporter of Thomas Aquinas, of Aristotle, of Marcus Aurelius. Opponent of blasphemers, of uncreatives, and impolites.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" — Galatians 5:22-23.

User avatar
Tesseris
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 488
Founded: Apr 25, 2024
Corporate Police State

Postby Tesseris » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:20 am

Kasdados wrote:
E s t r u s wrote:You're welcome.

You’re a good man, Estrus. A good man.

But, still - what should I tell myself after loosing an argument? Aside from the fact that it isn’t personal, of course.

You didn't lose...and you're always right...
[/b]
God is not our king, and Humanity will win!
This is the same angry Peruvian who passionately hates Chile, a certain Stella Nera. NS Stats were tried for treason against humanity and executed.
Officially known as the ''Unified Resistance of Tesseris''

Against the Divine Oppressor Deus and his following we stand, the beacon of resistance to Divine Tyranny and Totalitarianism
.
The Current Year 1410 AC (Equivalent to around 1874 AD). Population, 80 million. Human Supremacist Unitarian Misotheistic Militaristic Meritocracy.

Those who commit treason against humanity must be re-educated where they can and punished where they must. Humanity shines brighter than anything else, for it and only Humanity was created in the Image of God.

User avatar
Kasdados
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1012
Founded: Jun 02, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Kasdados » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:21 am

Tesseris wrote:
Kasdados wrote:… Thank you, so much. I really, really needed that.


I'm getting the feeling you created this thread more for emotional support after losing an argument with someone online and less to actually find strategies to win future arguments...

Well… yeah. Read the OP.
Aussie Patriot. Proud grandson of Greeks - prouder Son of Our Lord And Saviour. Passionate lover of creative writing, the bridge betwixt the realms beyond our own and the comprehension of our minds. Aspergers is its name, awesome is its game. Suave gentleman, debonair intellectual, kind soul. Lover of history, of politics, of civilisation. Devotee of Tolkien, of Frank Herbert, of George R. R Martin - the forgers of worlds. Supporter of Thomas Aquinas, of Aristotle, of Marcus Aurelius. Opponent of blasphemers, of uncreatives, and impolites.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" — Galatians 5:22-23.

User avatar
Atarashi Hanabi
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 5
Founded: Nov 02, 2024
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Atarashi Hanabi » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:22 am

Tesseris wrote:
Who needs friends, you just have to be right. Also the AN is wrong.


I really hope this is just a bit of joking for how a politician wins a debate, but judging by how seriously OP seems to be about this topic, I think you should knock off this attitude.

Kasdados wrote:Yeah, but… I’m talking about the immediate aftershocks. When everyone’s thoroughly turned against me, and my self-loathing is most potent.


I can kind of relate to that, very socially awkward in school, especially as my opinions tend to be different than most in my class, I would stick to being quiet, similar self-loathing issues as well. I feel like the thought that "everybody hates me now because I said a wrong thing" is quite silly in hindsight, at most they may care for like a day and move on. You should be able to express your opinions freely, and if they turn out to be wrong, it does not matter, maybe the other person also learnt from your own statements, and they really don't mean any harm. You can try adding any additional points, because that does not count as a defeat, you both learnt something from this experience.

And, if you don't think you can deal with these aftershocks, then maybe take a small break from debating, maybe try consolidate your own opinions as well as constructive arguments, then you will be more confident in your thoughts. And, do your best to ignore those toxic arguments, retaliating just makes it worse, ignore them, and they will have no one to insult
Atarashi Hanabi
新しい花火

User avatar
Kasdados
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1012
Founded: Jun 02, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Kasdados » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:24 am

Atarashi Hanabi wrote:
Tesseris wrote:
Who needs friends, you just have to be right. Also the AN is wrong.


I really hope this is just a bit of joking for how a politician wins a debate, but judging by how seriously OP seems to be about this topic, I think you should knock off this attitude.

Kasdados wrote:Yeah, but… I’m talking about the immediate aftershocks. When everyone’s thoroughly turned against me, and my self-loathing is most potent.


I can kind of relate to that, very socially awkward in school, especially as my opinions tend to be different than most in my class, I would stick to being quiet, similar self-loathing issues as well. I feel like the thought that "everybody hates me now because I said a wrong thing" is quite silly in hindsight, at most they may care for like a day and move on. You should be able to express your opinions freely, and if they turn out to be wrong, it does not matter, maybe the other person also learnt from your own statements, and they really don't mean any harm. You can try adding any additional points, because that does not count as a defeat, you both learnt something from this experience.

And, if you don't think you can deal with these aftershocks, then maybe take a small break from debating, maybe try consolidate your own opinions as well as constructive arguments, then you will be more confident in your thoughts. And, do your best to ignore those toxic arguments, retaliating just makes it worse, ignore them, and they will have no one to insult

So, how do I take a break? People are always going to try to argue with me, as soon as I state an opinion of any sort.
Aussie Patriot. Proud grandson of Greeks - prouder Son of Our Lord And Saviour. Passionate lover of creative writing, the bridge betwixt the realms beyond our own and the comprehension of our minds. Aspergers is its name, awesome is its game. Suave gentleman, debonair intellectual, kind soul. Lover of history, of politics, of civilisation. Devotee of Tolkien, of Frank Herbert, of George R. R Martin - the forgers of worlds. Supporter of Thomas Aquinas, of Aristotle, of Marcus Aurelius. Opponent of blasphemers, of uncreatives, and impolites.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law" — Galatians 5:22-23.

User avatar
E s t r u s
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 100
Founded: Feb 17, 2024
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby E s t r u s » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:33 am

Kasdados wrote:But, still - what should I tell myself after loosing an argument? Aside from the fact that it isn’t personal, of course.
Why do you even have to say anything to yourself if you stop taking it as something personal? Losing is just a part of life. It's inevitable, so the only question is how to perceive this loss: as an opportunity or as a punishment.
ꑭ ESTRUS IS A NATIOCRACY IN EASTERN EUROPE ꑭ

Current government plan: reduce corruption
NS stats are mostly canon

User avatar
Cheblonsk
Attaché
 
Posts: 79
Founded: Aug 22, 2023
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Cheblonsk » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:34 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
Tesseris wrote:Never admit fault or wrongness, whatever happens, you're always in the right and your opponent is in the wrong...It is never your fault, always someone else's...


The stupidest advice ever.

Well that's what politicians do, and the most crazy part is that it seems to work
Frisbeeteria wrote:No email? No hope.

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Archipel Sempi, Austria-Bohemia-Hungary, Cerespasia, Cyptopir, Elejamie, Fahran, Grandocantorica, Ifreann, Kaiserholt, Kasdados, Kissinger-Monroe, Likhinia, Luminesa, Neo Goryeo, New Halo, Of The Revived Soviet Union, Sardinia-Sicily, Shrillland, Statesburg, Tarsonis, Tesseris, The Black Forrest, The Lazarene Republic, Total Drama 2, USHALLNOTPASS, Washington Resistance Army

Advertisement

Remove ads