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Can Satan repent and be restored to his Creator?

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Can Satan repent and be restored to his Creator?

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I do hope so, that would certainly alter the formula?!
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Azazel certainly can be restored because his name is in Leviticus 16:10 in the Hebrew.
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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:17 am

Jude 1: 9. But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"


Could a statement by Rabbi Nachman of Breslov fit with why even the Archangel Michael would not verbally blast former Covering Cherub Helel who is known to Christians as Lucifer - Satan?

"Know! You need to judge every person favorably, even someone who is completely wicked, you need to search and find any little bit of good. By finding in him a little good and judging him favorably you actually bring him over to the side of merit and you can return him in teshuva" (Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, LM 282)


That wise saying by Rabbi Nachman of Breslov sure does remind me of:
Matthew 5:44
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"


Near death experiencer Kevin Zadai Th. D. met Messiah Yeshua - Jesus during his forty five minute brush with death back in 1992. Messiah Yeshua - Jesus told Dr. Zadai that He remembered creating former Covering Cherub Helel and at the time that He made him Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as The Being of Light of near death experience fame stated that He knew that former Covering Cherub Helel would eventually rebel against Him!

Did the Creator of the universe - multiverse have a plan in mind that included the conflict between "good vs evil" that we humans have been in the middle of since the time of our grandparents Adam and Eve?



"but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD
to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness
to Aza'zel." (Leviticus 16:10)


My theory is that just as General Abner brought the ten tribes over to King David and as the Apostle Paul brought so many Rabbinic Jews over to being Messianic Jews so also "Azazel", [whoever Azazel is], will be instrumental in the division and the fall of Satan's kingdom of lies, Insecurity, Inferiority, fear and greed.
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Postby Rusticus Damianus » Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:19 am

No.

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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:26 am

Rusticus Damianus wrote:No.



Then why would some sort of "Arrow of Hope" knock a demon out of The Battle of the Great Day of the Lord Almighty?



[Rick Joyner, The Final Quest] :
"A New Weapon
The arrows of Truth would rarely penetrate the vultures, but they hurt them enough to drive them back. Every time they were driven back some of us would climb to the next level. When we reached the level called "Galatians Two Twenty," we were above the altitude that the vultures could fly. At this level the sky above almost blinded us with its brightness and beauty. I felt peace like I had never felt it before.

Previously much of my fighting spirit had really been motivated out of as much hatred and disgust for the enemy as it had been for the sake of the kingdom, truth, and love for the prisoners. But it was on this level that I caught up to Faith, Hope, and Love, which before I had only been following at a distance. On this level I was almost overpowered by their glory. When I caught up to them they turned to me, and began repairing and shining my armor. Soon it was completely transformed and exuded the glory that was in them. When they touched my sword, great bolts of brilliant lightning began flashing from it. Love then said, "Those who reach this level are entrusted with the powers of the age to come, but I must teach you how to use them."

The "Galatians Two Twenty" level was so wide that there was no longer any danger of falling. There were also unlimited arrows with the name Hope written on them. We shot some of them down at the vultures, and these arrows killed them easily. About half who had reached this level kept shooting while the others began carrying these arrows down to those still on the lower levels.

The vultures kept coming in waves upon the levels below, but with each one there would be fewer than before. From "Galatians Two Twenty" we could hit any enemy in the army except the leaders themselves, who were still out of range. We decided not to use the arrows of Truth until we had destroyed all of the vultures, because the cloud of depression they created made the truth less effective. This took a very long time, but we never got tired.

Faith, Hope and Love, who had grown like our weapons with each level, were now so large that I knew people far beyond the battle area could see them. Their glory even radiated into the camp of prisoners who were still under a great cloud of vultures. The exhilaration continued to grow in all of us. I felt that being in this army, in this battle, had to be one of the greatest adventures of all time." [Rick Joyner, The Final Quest]

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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:32 am

Rusticus Damianus wrote:No.


Pastor Rick Joyner was given some sort of visionary dream back in 1995 that perfectly explains the mess that I personally was in back in 1990 even to the year 2000.



[Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest] .... "The Evil Army
I saw a demonic army so large that it stretched as far as I could see. It was separated into divisions, with each carrying a different banner. The foremost and most powerful divisions were Pride, Self righteousness, Respectability, Selfish Ambition, and Unrighteous Judgment, but the largest of all was Jealousy. The leader of this vast army was the Accuser of the Brethren himself. I knew that there were many more evil divisions beyond my scope of vision, but these were the vanguard of this terrible horde from hell that was now being released against the church.

The weapons carried by this horde had names on them: the swords were named Intimidation; the spears were named Treachery; and their arrows were named Accusations, Gossip, Slander and Faultfinding. Scouts and smaller companies of demons with such names as Rejection, Bitterness, Impatience, Un-forgiveness and Lust were sent in advance of this army to prepare for the main attack. I knew in my heart that the church had never faced anything like this before.

The main assignment of this army was to cause division. It was sent to attack every level of relationship-churches with each other, congregations with their pastors, husbands and wives, children and parents, and even children with each other. The scouts were sent to locate the openings in churches, families or individuals that rejection, bitterness, lust, etc., could exploit and make a larger breech for the divisions that were coming.

The most shocking part of this vision was that this horde was not riding on horses, but on Christians! Most of them were well-dressed, respectable, and had the appearance of being refined and educated. These were Christians who had opened themselves to the powers of darkness to such a degree that the enemy could use them and they would think that they were being used by God. The Accuser knows that a house divided cannot stand, and this army represented his ultimate attempt to bring such complete division to the church that she would completely fall from grace.

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You see by around 1990 I began to be shown that I personally was rather like a "son of Satan" in the sense that spiritual Pride so permeated my world view that I was like a "Mini-Me," like a small clone of Satan himself?!

Once I found out that my old church was terribly incorrect regarding our "Soul Sleep" theory then it wasn't too long before I realized that I had been playing around at the edge of "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" much as the Scribes and Pharisees of the time of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus who claimed that he was kicking out demons by the power of Baalzebub ... [Azazel Baalzebub to be more precise]!

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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:38 am

In chapter three of the near death experience account of Christian near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai he refers to Covering Cherub Helel having wings that covered the entire Garden of Eden. That NDE account is entitled "Heavenly Visitation."

This is interesting to me because near death experiencer and former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava in his second brush with death and resurrection...... he refers to being shown a great angel with wings that darkened the entire land of Israel for fifteen days. Former Atheist Alon Anava is now an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi living in Israel who travels all over the world teaching in synagogues about his near death experience.

I am sure that there is some kind of connection between what was shown to near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai and near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava.

The Rabbi Alon Anava second NDE is exceptionally interesting to me because it seems as if this great angel is beginning to go AGAINST IDOLATRY.......... which in a way seems to be what caused Covering Cherub Helel to fall in the first place according to Isaiah chapter fourteen and Ezekiel chapter twenty eight.

You are going to want to go to the 1:11:00 mark in this video about the second near death experience account of Rabbi Alon Anava and Revelations chapter 12 will begin to make a lot more sense.

Revelation 12:9
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

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Postby Indecent Anime Empire » Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:42 am

In the eyes of a god, it is not the choices of once was but of what is done.

Meaning if even the one who would dethrone “The God” would decide to worship him once more then it would reinstate their Angelic faith.

Then again this comes from the viewpoint that “The God” is and always will be all forgiving.
But also makes one wonder does angelic weaponry end at simply “justice bullets” or is there a stronger word to detail and describe their weaponry.

That said, that’s off topic and Satan’s motives were the only reason he lost I guess or something.
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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:47 am

Indecent Anime Empire wrote:In the eyes of a god, it is not the choices of once was but of what is done.

Meaning if even the one who would dethrone “The God” would decide to worship him once more then it would reinstate their Angelic faith.

Then again this comes from the viewpoint that “The God” is and always will be all forgiving.
But also makes one wonder does angelic weaponry end at simply “justice bullets” or is there a stronger word to detail and describe their weaponry.

That said, that’s off topic and Satan’s motives were the only reason he lost I guess or something.


Your comment is not off topic at all and this fits perfectly with what I am strongly suspecting myself.

Former Covering Cherub Helel is possibly billions of years old and of course thinks very differently than I do at sixty five years of age and it may take a longer process for Lucifer - Satan - Helel to be fully healed and restored but what was shown to Rabbi Alon Anava during his second near death experience was shockingly positive in its possible........ if not even probable implications!?

Former drug addict Pastor Todd White who was an addict for twenty two years is now one of the best therapists at getting people out of drug addiction who is on this earth at this time.

Former Covering Cherub Helel may well soon be the greatest therapist when it comes to overcoming of the many way in which we can all fall into idolatry.
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Postby Kasdados » Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:53 am

No… just no.

Satan has committed the unforgivable sin - blaspheming the Holy Spirit - several thousand times over. He attempted to overthrow God, and subsequently the natural order.
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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:59 am

Kasdados wrote:No… just no.

Satan has committed the unforgivable sin - blaspheming the Holy Spirit - several thousand times over. He attempted to overthrow God, and subsequently the natural order.

But.... is there one of those "riddles and dark sayings of the wise" in the identity of The Holy Spirit?

Is The Holy Spirit none other than The Divine Femine.... YHWH The Mother.. .as was hinted at to near death experiencer Mr. Christian Andreason?

So...... does that old saying that we should not make fun of somebody's Mom fit in here somehow?


http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirit ... index.html


[Near death experiencer Christian Andreason, chapter two] .... "What do you think is the true gender of God?

In all honesty, I always dislike being asked this, because the answer is always as complicated as the question.

But I will answer by saying that I deeply believe and intuit God to be a Being who is beyond human comprehension and understanding. I see God existing as One who encompasses absolutely everything that exists on a atomic or energetic levelyet even with all that, I know there is WAY more!

God also represents all timethe past, present and future that we are each existing in as a unique personality and while all this is going on, at the same timeGod also has an infinite and distinct personality.

But even "God", as a "Persona" or "Presence" is still way beyond our comprehension. So what do we humans' do to try to understand this Persona or Presence?we try to compare it to our own! And usually this boils down to us putting "God" as a gender or form we are personally comfortable seeing in a seat of control. From a conscious viewpoint in regard to gender: some men and women do not trust women, so they consistently see God only as a man. Some women and men do not trust men, so they consistently see God only as a woman. Yet, when looking at God from Divine viewpoint you must realize that in truth, as God exists in such a state of Totality, it stands to reason that "God" (in His or Her absolute form) is completely genderlessand exists for all of us an unlimited amount of faces and images.

However, now that I have pointed all this out, I want to say that I full-well know that their are very definite, discernable energies that come from God that we can sense as being either masculine or feminine. Because of this, I believe that God (in personality) speaks or reveals Him/Her Self to us using a voicing and/or image (whether masculine or feminine) that we most relate to or need to experience at the time.

When I was a child, I was most comfortable with seeing God literally as my "Heavenly Father" and I would hear from Him speaking to me with a voice I can only think to call male. Even today, with my enlightened way of seeing and thinking about God, I am still often comforted by a vision of God as a kind, strong, older man. Especially as it is becoming more obvious that we are living in a world where there is so little well-balanced male leadership and honest-to-goodness integrity!

Yet at the same time, I am aware that my Soul has had many lifetimes and existed in many religious belief systems where I have been comforted by the conscious notion of God as a masculine presence. But I know in my Heart of Hearts that God ALSO exists as a Divine Feminine presence. For years now my Spirit has told me that this is the part of God we see as, "The Holy Spirit." And since I am mentioning this here, I also want to make it quite clear that I believe our world and humanity has developed a tremendous unbalance due to the fact that The Divine Feminine has not been properly regarded in our religious systems. I think in order to have a healthy Self image of your own Spirit, you need to have both masculine and feminine principle represented and properly regarded. Until then the ego will define gender roles for us and subject many people to unnecessary trials and tribulations.

In the end, when it comes to assigning a gender to God, I believe the Old Testament gives wise advise when we are warned not to have ANY graven image of God. Because, after all, "God" is the sum total of everything that exists!

Additional Note to the reader: Please understand that if I make gender references in relation to God, I do so for basically two reasons: First, I simply cannot for the life of me bring myself to call God ... an "It!" (That will never do, as my inner conviction forbids me to label God in such a way!) The second reason is because it is fully possible for any Soul to only experience God (in Heaven) as either one gender or another for the majority of their incarnation process. In fact, many Souls who incarnate to our planet feel more comfortable viewing God (before they incarnate here) as male or as "the masculine principal" because masculine energy (and its long-term development) is actually their primary focus here on planet Earth. However, if you truly want to try and absorb the totality of God Almighty, I recommend that you try to think BEYOND gender!

How do you visualize God today?
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Postby NorthernPesos » Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:38 am

Was Stanley Milgram Ph. D. onto the basic concept for the Milgram Experiment BEFORE former Covering Cherub Helel thought of that general idea?

Dr. Milgram lived during the time of the Nuremberg War Crimes trials. He was living in New York City, [if I remember correctly], and he began to wonder if New Yorkers could be as OBSEQUIOUSLY OBEDIENT to authority figures as the people of Germany had been during the Nazi era?

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Theoretically? Yes. In practice? Not really.
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Postby The Lazarene Republic » Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:56 am

Kasdados wrote:No… just no.

Satan has committed the unforgivable sin - blaspheming the Holy Spirit - several thousand times over. He attempted to overthrow God, and subsequently the natural order.

I hate to play devil’s advocate, but Satan has probably not committed the unforgivable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit, at least not in the way Jesus meant it.

Then they brought to him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and he cured him, so that the one who had been mute could speak and see. All the crowds were amazed and were saying, “Can this be the Son of David?” But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons, that this man casts out the demons.” He knew what they were thinking and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how, then, will his kingdom stand? If I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your own exorcists cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his property without first tying up the strong man? Then indeed the house can be plundered. Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, people will be forgiven for every sin and blasphemy, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12‬:‭22‬-‭32‬

I would imagine Satan, unlike the Pharisees, would have been well aware of all this and not even bothered to make the accusation.

(Given the extreme specificity, it also seems like hyperbole rather than Jesus ad hoc inventing new categories of sins, but that’s beside the point. Maybe you should read the Bible some time though.)
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Yes and then they will K-I-S-S.
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Postby The BlAAtschApen » Sat Jan 18, 2025 4:32 pm

No and yes.

From my perspective, they are fictional beings. So only the original author(s) can make Satan repent and be restored to his Creator. But those authors are long dead.

However, that also means that this story is in the public domain. And thus, someone can write new chapters to the stories, and hope that enough people accept is as canon rather than as fan fiction.
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Postby Nea Skotia » Sat Jan 18, 2025 9:30 pm

Theoretically yes.

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Postby Kubra » Sat Jan 18, 2025 9:30 pm

Well, I mean, I'd certainly rather not.
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Postby Kerwa » Sat Jan 18, 2025 9:48 pm

He’s a fictional character, so you can write whatever fan-fiction you want.

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Postby Fjolmidlum » Sat Jan 18, 2025 9:59 pm

I fail to see how any being could be irredeemable, especially in the Christian system that literally has a god that knows everything, can do anything, and is infinitely good.
irregardless, its the same difference and i literally could care less for all intensive purposes so you're point is mute per say
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He would have to be real first.

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Nah, massive skill issue tbh
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Postby Hutsuls » Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:51 am

Has any of you thought of the fact that maybe he is there because he is meant to be there? And humans doing worst forms of acts consciously without any history of mental illness or evidence of possession and conveniently blaming satan for that are the real evil. And Satan actually punishes evil. Although various Christian sects differ especially Old Testament where book of Job mentions that satan tortures only those who god asks him to.

Whatever good or bad that happens is the will of god. But whatever actions humans do are on them alone because provided they are mentally incapacitated, they have the free will of not to do. People should leave Satan out of their own evil deeds they did due to greed or rage.
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Fjolmidlum wrote:I fail to see how any being could be irredeemable, especially in the Christian system that literally has a god that knows everything, can do anything, and is infinitely good.

Because nobody can be redeemed unless God Himself decides to redeem that person. That's why Jesus had to die for our sins. Jesus did not die for Satan, but died to defeat Satan (1 John 3:8). Satan cannot be redeemed because a) he doesn't repent b) there is no way for his sins to be atoned for. The Bible tells us the end of Satan:

Revelation 20:10
"and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:58 am

Hutsuls wrote:People should leave Saran out of their own evil deeds they did due to greed or rage.


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Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
Hutsuls wrote:People should leave Saran out of their own evil deeds they did due to greed or rage.


Saran, Thailand's premier rapper?


Typo. Satan. Stupid auto correct.

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Postby The Lazarene Republic » Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:00 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
Hutsuls wrote:People should leave Saran out of their own evil deeds they did due to greed or rage.


Saran, Thailand's premier rapper?

No, Saran, America’s premier wrapper.

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