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Bear Market 2025 to 2030?

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Are you worried about a possible "Bear Market 2025 to 2030?"

No
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Yes
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23%
Maybe, because I am noticing a lot of layoffs and pessimism???
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NorthernPesos
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Bear Market 2025 to 2030?

Postby NorthernPesos » Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:48 pm

There is a school of thought that the people who own BigMedia will attempt to wreck the USA economy and blame it on Trump?

Could this theory be true?

President Ronald Reagan is said to have promised one of his supporters in California that he WOULD NOT have George H. W. Bush as his V. P. but........

... several years later he saw her again and President Ronald Reagan told this supporter that the owners of BigMedia got together with him and threatened him that if he did not have George H. W. Bush as his V. P. then they would so smear him with their BigMedia that they owned..... that he would be unelectable.

President Ronald Regan gave in to their demands because he knew that their threat was not a joke.

Do you take seriously the idea that the owners of BigMedia may be planning what could be termed "Bear Market 2025 to 2030?"

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Postby Kostane » Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:58 pm

NorthernPesos wrote:There is a school of thought

Source needed.
that the people who own BigMedia

WTF is BigMedia? The media is owned by several different people, many of whom are Trump's allies.
will attempt to wreck the USA economy and blame it on Trump?

How tf does the media control the economy?
Could this theory be true?

No.
President Ronald Reagan is said to have promised one of his supporters

"said to have promised one of his supporters" is one of the least credible sources known to humankind.
in California that he WOULD NOT have George H. W. Bush as his V. P. but........

Politicians lie, who would have thought?
... several years later he saw her again

He remembered the exact same supporter???
and President Ronald Reagan told this supporter that the owners of BigMedia got together with him

Ronald Reagan said this? To a supporter? You're going to need to start adding a source at some point.
and threatened him that if he did not have George H. W. Bush as his V. P. then they would so smear him with their BigMedia that they owned..... that he would be unelectable.

Again... source needed. Why tf would "BigMedia" care about have George H.W. Bush as his VP? How would "BigMedia" have control over the entire media environment, especially back then?
President Ronald Regan gave in to their demands because he knew that their threat was not a joke.

Do you take seriously the idea that the owners of BigMedia may be planning what could be termed "Bear Market 2025 to 2030?"

No. It's an idea that is fundamentally impossible to take seriously. You haven't told us what "BigMedia" is, who its "owners" are, what credible source would make anyone believe this, etc.
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Postby NorthernPesos » Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:07 pm

Kostane wrote:
NorthernPesos wrote:There is a school of thought

Source needed.
that the people who own BigMedia

WTF is BigMedia? The media is owned by several different people, many of whom are Trump's allies.
will attempt to wreck the USA economy and blame it on Trump?

How tf does the media control the economy?
Could this theory be true?

No.
President Ronald Reagan is said to have promised one of his supporters

"said to have promised one of his supporters" is one of the least credible sources known to humankind.
in California that he WOULD NOT have George H. W. Bush as his V. P. but........

Politicians lie, who would have thought?
... several years later he saw her again

He remembered the exact same supporter???
and President Ronald Reagan told this supporter that the owners of BigMedia got together with him

Ronald Reagan said this? To a supporter? You're going to need to start adding a source at some point.
and threatened him that if he did not have George H. W. Bush as his V. P. then they would so smear him with their BigMedia that they owned..... that he would be unelectable.

Again... source needed. Why tf would "BigMedia" care about have George H.W. Bush as his VP? How would "BigMedia" have control over the entire media environment, especially back then?
President Ronald Regan gave in to their demands because he knew that their threat was not a joke.

Do you take seriously the idea that the owners of BigMedia may be planning what could be termed "Bear Market 2025 to 2030?"

No. It's an idea that is fundamentally impossible to take seriously. You haven't told us what "BigMedia" is, who its "owners" are, what credible source would make anyone believe this, etc.


One lecture that goes into detail on that threat to President Ronald Reagan is by Steven Greer M. D.

Steven Greer's lecture is nearly four hours long but I thought that it was fascinating. This fits brilliantly with the speech about the "Military Industrial Complex" by President Eisenhower before he retired.

https://youtu.be/oHxGQjirV-c

Dr. Steven Greer - Nov. 21, 2015 - How the Secret Government Works: The Most Explosive Expose - HD
1,679,044 views Nov 24, 2015
Dr. Greer has been involved in the highest levels of governments and military for over 25 years and will share what he has learned on the who, what, where and why of UFO secrecy, the deep transnational security state and the constellation of illegal projects that are currently operating.

Join the founder of the global Disclosure movement, Dr. Steven Greer, in Washington D.C. for a unique opportunity to listen to the most comprehensive and explosive expose of UFO secrecy ever presented!

Nov. 21, 2015


This 4 hour workshop will include:

How is secrecy maintained through the hybrid of corporate and government programs?

Which military bases and facilities and which corporations are involved in this secrecy?

How is black-budget and criminal activity funding these operations?

The Connection between the global financial system, UFO technology, drug running and covert military airspace and bases.

Where are the key Underground Bases (UGBs) and how are they connected via subterranean tunnels?

Who has been involved in managing this secrecy and how is the entity (MAJIC) controlled and operated?

How do Unacknowledged Special Access Projects (USAPs) operate and how are they kept secret from the people, the President and Congress?

The History of UFO secrecy since WWII and how it has devolved into its own illegal transnational cartel.

See explosive documents on secrecy, how human military-controlled "Abductions" are "stage-crafted" - and what is the agenda for this Deception.

What is the future agenda for the cartel managing UFO secrecy - and how you need to prepare for this future!


The Planned Cosmic 911 Deception - What you NEED to know!


... and MUCH MORE.
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Postby Kostane » Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:18 pm

NorthernPesos wrote:One lecture that goes into detail on that threat to President Ronald Reagan is by Steven Greer M. D.

For reference, here's his Wikipedia page. His qualifications are in no way related to Political Science, nor are they at all related to "BigMedia." He is a "ufologist."
Steven Greer's lecture is nearly four hours long

Rants about an unproven conspiracy theory tend to go on for a while. Overcompensating for something...
but I thought that it was fascinating. This fits brilliantly with the speech about the "Military Industrial Complex" by President Eisenhower before he retired.

https://youtu.be/oHxGQjirV-c

Dr. Steven Greer - Nov. 21, 2015 - How the Secret Government Works: The Most Explosive Expose - HD
1,679,044 views Nov 24, 2015
Dr. Greer has been involved in the highest levels of governments and military for over 25 years and will share what he has learned on the who, what, where and why of UFO secrecy, the deep transnational security state and the constellation of illegal projects that are currently operating.

Join the founder of the global Disclosure movement, Dr. Steven Greer, in Washington D.C. for a unique opportunity to listen to the most comprehensive and explosive expose of UFO secrecy ever presented!

Nov. 21, 2015


This 4 hour workshop will include:

Nothing at all relevant to the current topic of conversation which is "BigMedia's" "plot."
How is secrecy maintained through the hybrid of corporate and government programs?
Which military bases and facilities and which corporations are involved in this secrecy?
How is black-budget and criminal activity funding these operations?
The Connection between the global financial system, UFO technology, drug running and covert military airspace and bases.
Where are the key Underground Bases (UGBs) and how are they connected via subterranean tunnels?
Who has been involved in managing this secrecy and how is the entity (MAJIC) controlled and operated?
How do Unacknowledged Special Access Projects (USAPs) operate and how are they kept secret from the people, the President and Congress?
The History of UFO secrecy since WWII and how it has devolved into its own illegal transnational cartel.
See explosive documents on secrecy, how human military-controlled "Abductions" are "stage-crafted" - and what is the agenda for this Deception.
What is the future agenda for the cartel managing UFO secrecy - and how you need to prepare for this future!
The Planned Cosmic 911 Deception - What you NEED to know!
... and MUCH MORE.

Wow, I felt like a real conspiracy theorist just reading those topics of conversation. Unfortunately, none of those actually apply to this thread.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:20 pm

This is just nonsense, that's all there is to it.

Debating it is pointless too as even entertaining this nonsense gives it more credit than it deserves.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:30 pm

If bear prices are going down I'll take three and have them run a hotel in the woods for female customers who might be uncomfortable with male staff. Quality of porridge and beds may be variable.
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Postby Sic transit gloria ursi » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:03 pm

I hope not. The glory of the bear has passed. There are too many people that do not realize this, they have been deluded by bears desparate to cling to their former glory.

Why would you make a post such as this? Are you a bear?
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Postby NorthernPesos » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:29 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:This is just nonsense, that's all there is to it.

Debating it is pointless too as even entertaining this nonsense gives it more credit than it deserves.


OK.... so how about the idea of China wanting to convince the USA to wreck its own economy in 2019, 2020 and 2021 so that the USA can no longer economically support being the number one world military super power?

Think about that one for a few moments.

Why would China bother to send "honey pots" to the USA if they had no serious long term objectives?

Why was Biden termed "China Joe?"

Is Canada's Trudeau much of an improvement over "China Joe?" I don't really think so.

Canadian and USA elected officials have been transferring a huge number of USA and Canadian jobs to China and other nations for decades now. All of this is supported by BigMedia for some reason or another. One obvious reason is higher and higher returns on investment due to getting rid of higher paid USA and Canadian workers.
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Postby Kostane » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:33 pm

NorthernPesos wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:This is just nonsense, that's all there is to it.

Debating it is pointless too as even entertaining this nonsense gives it more credit than it deserves.


OK.... so how about the idea of China wanting to convince the USA to wreck its own economy in 2019, 2020 and 2021

Source needed.
so that the USA can no longer economically support being the number one world military super power?

That would make sense. China is our economic competitor. Although it seems more likely that Trump will destroy our economy by refusing to trade with China.
Think about that one for a few moments.

I think you're overestimating how long it would take to thing about this idea.
Why would China bother to send "honey pots" to the USA if they had no serious long term objectives?

Source needed.
Why was Biden termed "China Joe?"

Because Republicans tend to be Sinophobic and love associating anyone they oppose with China.
Is Canada's Trudeau much of an improvement over "China Joe?" I don't really think so.

Is this even relevant? I don't really think so.
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Postby New Kvenland » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:39 pm

I agree OP, it's important to have excuses and deflections already cooked up and ready to serve before your guy is even in office in case he fucks it
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Postby ALL DIS WEALTH » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:40 pm

NorthernPesos wrote:Why was Biden termed "China Joe?"



dunno, since trump has far more financial dealings with China. Maybe it was Fox, but that's not "big media" of course.

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Postby NorthernPesos » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:40 pm

Kostane wrote:
NorthernPesos wrote:
OK.... so how about the idea of China wanting to convince the USA to wreck its own economy in 2019, 2020 and 2021

Source needed.
so that the USA can no longer economically support being the number one world military super power?

That would make sense. China is our economic competitor. Although it seems more likely that Trump will destroy our economy by refusing to trade with China.
Think about that one for a few moments.

I think you're overestimating how long it would take to thing about this idea.
Why would China bother to send "honey pots" to the USA if they had no serious long term objectives?

Source needed.
Why was Biden termed "China Joe?"

Because Republicans tend to be Sinophobic and love associating anyone they oppose with China.
Is Canada's Trudeau much of an improvement over "China Joe?" I don't really think so.

Is this even relevant? I don't really think so.


The wealthiest people know from the example of the Weimar Republic of Germany that the key to setting in motion a period of hyper-inflation is to destroy productivity, [or should I say that at least many of their most well paid advisors and economists know that lesson very well}?

Think about what happened in 2019, 2020 and 2021? The productivity of USA and Canadian workers was drastically reduced due to a virus that in retrospect had been at least somewhat hyped by
BigMedia outlets and China knows how to invest in accomplishing their long term goals.

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Postby NorthernPesos » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:44 pm

New Kvenland wrote:I agree OP, it's important to have excuses and deflections already cooked up and ready to serve before your guy is even in office in case he fucks it



Trump is already talking about interest rates being too high.

Biden and Trudeau were wanted in power because they could be relied on to do what they had been told to do. The number of homeless people in the City of Hamilton, Ontario is shocking and that is one part of what Trudeau was supposed to do for those who picked him for his dramatic skills...... and of course for his willingness to obey.
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:48 pm

Getting a head start on the "the elites made Trump fail" excuse I see.
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Postby NorthernPesos » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:53 pm

Rusozak wrote:Getting a head start on the "the elites made Trump fail" excuse I see.

Or could it be that I am getting you prepared for some high level indictments?

We shall soon see won't we?

Could visiting Epstein Island again and again and again set somebody up so that they are willing to read an awful script such as "Innovating to zero?"

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Postby New Kvenland » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:53 pm

NorthernPesos wrote:
New Kvenland wrote:I agree OP, it's important to have excuses and deflections already cooked up and ready to serve before your guy is even in office in case he fucks it



Trump is already talking about interest rates being too high.

Biden and Trudeau were wanted in power because they could be relied on to do what they had been told to do. The number of homeless people in the City of Hamilton, Ontario is shocking and that is one part of what Trudeau was supposed to do for those who picked him for his dramatic skills...... and of course for his willingness to obey.


ooh I see your flag, I should've said guys. Trump went into meetings solo with dictators and came out with new ideas and plans, and Poilievre is listening and nodding to that dude planning to annex your country. this makes them less submissive and demure?
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Postby NorthernPesos » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:55 pm

New Kvenland wrote:
NorthernPesos wrote:

Trump is already talking about interest rates being too high.

Biden and Trudeau were wanted in power because they could be relied on to do what they had been told to do. The number of homeless people in the City of Hamilton, Ontario is shocking and that is one part of what Trudeau was supposed to do for those who picked him for his dramatic skills...... and of course for his willingness to obey.


ooh I see your flag, I should've said guys. Trump went into meetings solo with dictators and came out with new ideas and plans, and Poilievre is listening and nodding to that dude planning to annex your country. this makes them less submissive and demure?



If you do a search for the Mewe group "51st State" you will see that it corresponds with "Republic of Western Canada" and you can see that is actually an idea that began in the Canadian province of Alberta.

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Postby New Kvenland » Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:04 pm

NorthernPesos wrote:
New Kvenland wrote:
ooh I see your flag, I should've said guys. Trump went into meetings solo with dictators and came out with new ideas and plans, and Poilievre is listening and nodding to that dude planning to annex your country. this makes them less submissive and demure?



If you do a search for the Mewe group "51st State" you will see that it corresponds with "Republic of Western Canada" and you can see that is actually an idea that began in the Canadian province of Alberta.


no this makes sense, Trump will say he'll limit it to BC Alberta and Saskatchewan and then 6 months later when tanks are rolling into Ottawa it'll be honorable and dignified to lay over like possums and let them run you guys over because it was your idea first. Canada will die permanently but you will definitely outlive it, I see the idea here
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Postby Saiwana » Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:45 pm

A bear market will be wonderful if I can identify which companies/assets will survive and do well in the next boom. I can't afford the current expensive prices but I might if there is a market correction. I need this buying period opportunity. I have a good bit saved to invest with but not enough.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:05 pm

I'm more worried about a Buffalo Market.

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Postby NorthernPesos » Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:06 pm

Saiwana wrote:A bear market will be wonderful if I can identify which companies/assets will survive and do well in the next boom. I can't afford the current expensive prices but I might if there is a market correction. I need this buying period opportunity. I have a good bit saved to invest with but not enough.


The people who tend to benefit from a Bear Market are indeed quite an influential group.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:17 pm

Rusozak wrote:Getting a head start on the "the elites made Trump fail" excuse I see.


The elites?…..what happened to the swamp and the deep state?
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Postby Rusozak » Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:14 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Rusozak wrote:Getting a head start on the "the elites made Trump fail" excuse I see.


The elites?…..what happened to the swamp and the deep state?


Easier to just quote my post from another thread, lol.

Rusozak wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:He's a pretty standard kleptocratic oligarch who uses fiery (and simplistic) rhetoric to keep the lumpen in line while enriching himself and actually changing very little about the status-quo.


That's what's so funny (and sad) about this outsider fighting the status quo rhetoric he still runs with. He was president for 4 years, half of our politicians obey his ever whim without question. He's not even in office currently and he kills or pushes bills with a single social media post. He's been the single most politically influential person in US politics for 8 years and people still act like he's gonna swoop in and save the country. He IS the swamp.


To add to this, a number of powerful media oligarchs have been throwing themselves into his camp to get preferential treatment over their competitors, and Trump himself the puppet of the guy who owns Twitter and is trying to buy MSNBC and TikTok. Not only is he the swamp, he's also the "big media" MAGA talks about.
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Dumb Ideologies wrote:If bear prices are going down I'll take three and have them run a hotel in the woods for female customers who might be uncomfortable with male staff. Quality of porridge and beds may be variable.

I heard they run a pretty good diner already
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Postby NorthernPesos » Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:17 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:If bear prices are going down I'll take three and have them run a hotel in the woods for female customers who might be uncomfortable with male staff. Quality of porridge and beds may be variable.

I heard they run a pretty good diner already


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