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[Draft] Animal Protection And Safety Act

Postby Nshi » Thu Jan 09, 2025 9:21 am

Fellow members of the World Assembly! Before making this proposal a resolution, I am here to answer any questions or concerns you may have.

Draft 5
The World Assembly,

Determined to promote not only eco-friendliness but also to protect all animals who are under the threat of endangerment.

Defining the terms: "hotel cages" as establishments aimed to temporary house animals coming from zoos and exotic pet stores, "terrains" as any natural landscape that has not been subject to land transformation, and "reservations" as land temporary owned by the WA or the committees working under the WA.

This Act shall do the following:

1. This Act shall establish the Animal Rehabilitation Agency, under the supervision of the WA Endangered Species Committee, with its sole purpose is to rehabilitate animals coming into the wild from zoos and exotic pet stores. This Act shall not affect any business deals that were made before the passing of this Act, nor will the exotic pet owners will have their animals taken away if they have bought them at a time before the passing of this Act.

2. The Protection of Animal Welfare Society shall establish "hotel cages" around the member nations, of which are managed by the Protection of Animal Welfare Society. Each zoo and exotic pet store shall send any and all documents of each animal housed there that includes but is not limited to:

1. Medical history
2. General data (height, weight, etc.)
3. History with zoos

to both the Animal Rehabilitation Agency and the Protection of Animal Welfare Society to determine how long each animal shall be rehabilitated for and to the Endangerment Species Committee.

3. The Protection of Animal Welfare Society shall move the animals to the nearest available hotel cage and, within that hotel cage, shall conduct a series of tests that supports and/or confirms the documents mentioned in Clause 2. If the tests do not support and/or confirms the documents mentioned in Clause 2, the Protection of Animal Welfare Society shall present the new information to the Animal Rehabilitation Agency and shall redetermine the period of time based on the new data results.

4. The Animal Rehabilitation Agency shall rehabilitate the animals for the period of time determined by both it and the Protection of Animal Welfare Society and shall conduct weekly tests to ensure the efficiency of the rehabilitation process. If the animal is not showing any improvements, the animal shall be kept in longer. After rehabilitation, the Protection of Animal Welfare Society shall move the animals to their designated terrains determined by the Animal Rehabilitation Agency, with the help with the Endangered Species Database Institution, and allow them to roam there, releasing them after the Animal Rehabilitation Agency determines that the animals have indeed got fully used to its surroundings and has been fully rehabilitated.

5. The terrains shall be protected by the Protection of Animal Welfare Society. Hunting, pouching, and any acts of deforestation and other acts of land transformation are strongly prohibited in these terrains.

6. And the WA General Accounting Office shall partly or fully cover the costs of transportation and the construction of the hotel cages as well as any costs needed to pay for the efficiency of the rehabilitation process for any nations of which they are suffering from an economic downturn and/or depression and could not pay for most or all costs by themselves.

Draft 4
The World Assembly,

Determined to promote not only eco-friendliness but also to protect not just endangered species but also all animals who are under the threat of endangerment

Defining the terms: "hotel cages" as establishments aimed to temporary house animals coming from zoos and exotic pet stores, "terrains" as any natural landscape that has not been subject to land transformation, and "reservations" as land temporary owned by a government agency.

This Act shall do the following:

1. This Act shall establish the Animal Rehabilitation Agency with its sole purpose is to rehabilitate animals coming into the wild from zoos and exotic pet stores. Keep in mind that this Act shall not affect any business deals that were made before the passing of this Act, nor will the exotic pet owners will have their animals taken away if they have bought them at a time before the passing of this Act.

2. The Protection of Animal Welfare Society shall establish "hotel cages" around the member nations, of which are managed by the Protection of Animal Welfare Society. Each zoo and exotic pet store shall send any and all documents of each animal housed there that includes but is not limited to:

1. Medical history
2. General data (height, weight, etc.)
3. History with zoos

to both the Animal Rehabilitation Agency and the Protection of Animal Welfare Society to determine how long each animal shall be rehabilitated for and to the Endangerment Species Committee.

3. Meanwhile, the Protection of Animal Welfare Society shall move the animals to the nearest available hotel cage and, within that hotel cage, shall conduct a series of tests that supports and/or confirms the documents mentioned in Clause 2. If the tests do not support and/or confirms the documents mentioned in Clause 2, the Protection of Animal Welfare Society shall present the new information to the Animal Rehabilitation Agency and shall redetermine the period of time based on the new data results.

4. The Animal Rehabilitation Agency shall rehabilitate the animals for the period of time determined by both it and the Protection of Animal Welfare Society and shall conduct monthly, if not weekly, tests to ensure the efficiency of the rehabilitation process. If, for some reason, the animal is not showing any improvements, the animal shall be kept in longer. After rehabilitation, the Protection of Animal Welfare Society shall move the animals to their designated terrains determined by the Endangerment Species Committee and allow them to roam there. And they shall release them after the Animal Rehabilitation Agency determines that the animals have indeed got fully used to its surroundings and has been fully rehabilitated.

5. The terrains shall be protected by the Protection of Animal Welfare Society. Hunting, pouching, and any acts of deforestation and other acts of land transformation is strongly prohibited in these terrains.

6. And, in accordance to Clause 2 of the WA General Fund Act, the General Fund shall cover the costs of transportation and the construction of the hotel cages as well as any costs needed to pay for the efficiency of the rehabilitation process.

Draft 2

The World Assembly,
Determined to promote not only eco-friendliness but also to protect not just endangered species but also all animals who are under the threat of endangerment but

Understanding the member nations must not only sustain the economy but to grow it,

This Act shall do the following:

1. All member nations who are dealing with deforestation shall stop their operations and begin reforestation once this Act is passed. The WA Forest Commission shall oversee this. This is so that animals living in this area shall not have to move or forcefully migrate.

2. 25% of all factories causing air, sea, and/or land pollution (including oil drilling) shall be removed in our member states to better protect those animals who are unknowingly dying out of the chemicals releasing out of the factories.

3. All zoos shall release all animals towards reservations of which the WA Endangerment Species Committee and the Protection of Animal Welfare will oversee and shall be taken for the period of this Act.

4. And the WA General Fund, established by Clause 2 of the WA General Fund Act, shall establish a economic relief program, known as the Recession Prevention, to give relief to all nations severely affected by this Act.


Draft 3
The World Assembly

Determined to promote not only eco-friendliness but also to protect not just endangered species but also all animals who are under the threat of endangerment

Defining "hotel cages" as establishments aimed to temporary house animals coming from zoos and exotic pet stores, and reservations as land temporary owned by a government agency.

This Act shall enact the following:

1. The Protection of Animal Welfare Society shall establish "hotel cages" in parts of the member nations, of which zoos and exotic pet stores will send all of their animals gradually. And within these hotel cages, veterinarians, appointed by their respective nation's Department of Health, shall conduct a test to determine whether the animals are fit to be into the wild. If so, the Protection of Animal Welfare Society shall move the animals to reservations, which will be spilt into many sections for each species.

2. The Act, to better lead the rehabilitation process, shall establish the Animal Wild Rehabilitation Agency (AWRA), with its purpose to rehabilitate animals to the point that they are capable of being in the wild, and shall stay in commission until the objective of this Act is achieved, determined by the Endangered Species Committee. The animals shall be rehabilitated for at least one year or more if the animal has not shown any improvement.

3. If the animals are fully rehabilitated by that deadline, the Protection of Animal Welfare Society shall move them to their designated terrain, determined by the Endangered Species Committee. To avoid conflict between the different species, the Protection of Animal Welfare Society shall send different species to different parts of the terrain and after a month later, when they are used to the terrain, shall release them.

4. All pouching and hunting are not allowed in the terrains and any oil drillings in or around the terrain are prohibited. Any water contaminated shall be purified and the terrains shall be under the protection of the Protection of Animal Welfare Society.
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Postby Untecna » Thu Jan 09, 2025 10:09 am

The World Assembly,
In order to better protect the animals in our member nations and to also expand the National Animal Preservation Act (NAPA), we shall pass this Act to not just protect the animal representing the nation but also all endangered animals in our member nations.

1. This Act shall establish the World Assembly Animal Conservation Agency (WAACA). All of at least 10% of the member nations' owned land shall be given to reforestation, authorized by WAACA.

2. All businesses, including logging, mining, and manufacturing, settling in the land shall be relocated and any contracts before the passing of the Act shall be null and void.

3. All zoos shall release all animals towards the land which the member nation gives and allow scientists appointed by the WAACA to research the animals sustainably.

4. And all factories causing air, sea, and/or land pollution shall be removed in our member states in its entirety to better protect those animals who are unknowingly dying out of the chemicals releasing out of the factories.

This Act shall be enacted five days after its approval.


Text of the submitted resolution is above, for everyone else's reference.




I'll first suggest to the author that it is better to draft a proposal in the forums before submitting. That way, corrections and improvements can be made before campaigning for endorsement and getting a proposal to vote.

I'll also recommend to the author that they read the stickied threads at the top of this subforum, including the rules.

Now, for actual comments on the proposal, in order.

In order to better protect the animals in our member nations and to also expand the National Animal Preservation Act (NAPA), we shall pass this Act to not just protect the animal representing the nation but also all endangered animals in our member nations.


Branding ("animal representing this nation"). The reference to a nonexistent piece of legislation is also incredibly dubious.

1. This Act shall establish the World Assembly Animal Conservation Agency (WAACA). All of at least 10% of the member nations' owned land shall be given to reforestation, authorized by WAACA.


The Endangered Species Committee already exists, and seizing an undefined 10% of all member nations' land is already not possible, not even for an unrelated purpose like reforestation.

2. All businesses, including logging, mining, and manufacturing, settling in the land shall be relocated and any contracts before the passing of the Act shall be null and void.


The wording of this clause eliminates all contracts, regardless of their relevance, in entirety.

3. All zoos shall release all animals towards the land which the member nation gives and allow scientists appointed by the WAACA to research the animals sustainably.


Releasing hundreds or thousands of animals in all member states into the same plot of land has given "ecological disaster" a new definition. There's also no provisions here for endangered animals, nor anywhere else in this proposal, so I don't understand why they are referred to in the incredibly short preamble.

4. And all factories causing air, sea, and/or land pollution shall be removed in our member states in its entirety to better protect those animals who are unknowingly dying out of the chemicals releasing out of the factories.


Congratulations, all industry is dead within moments. You've simultaneously wiped out large swathes of previously captive animal populations, and destroyed the economies of member states.




I would seriously recommend that the author withdraw their proposal and read the stickied threads before drafting again. And use the forums to draft, next time.
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Postby The Overmind » Thu Jan 09, 2025 11:37 am

Nshi wrote:Fellow members of the World Assembly! Before making this proposal a resolution, I am here to answer any questions or concerns you may have.

I suggest putting the proposal, in its current form, in the OP, and keeping a running log of your drafts in a reply like:
Your draft here.

Your draft here.

Your draft here.

Code: Select all
[spoiler=Draft 1]Your draft here.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Draft 2]Your draft here.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Draft 3]Your draft here.[/spoiler]



As it stands, this will not make it to vote, let alone pass. It takes about a month of active drafting for even uncontroversial proposals to be ready for vote, depending on the complexity and your own dedication. I take this from my reply to you in the Q&A thread:

The first thing you'll probably want to do is look at some passed resolutions, particularly newer ones, to get a sense of the structure, style, and arguments that make for a successful proposal.

If you have a particular topic in mind, you can keyword search topics in the passed resolutions thread or peruse the first reply for titles with similar-sounding topics, both to make sure that your topic hasn't already been done and to become more familiar with the way similar topics have been successfully written.

It is also a good idea to look at the drafting threads in the General Assembly forum to see how the drafting process usually works, and how to properly keep account of older drafts.

When you feel like you have a pretty good idea how to go about writing your first draft, you'll want to create a drafting thread of your own, and also read the proposal comprendium to make sure your proposal is and remains legal. Your proposal should be written in BBCode (see below), and you can expect that the drafting process, as a rule of thumb, will take at least a month of active participation in the drafting thread for topics that are not controversial (longer for controversial topics).

Also, have fun; the drafting process takes a while, so if you only focus on the outcome and not the process, it can feel like a lot of work.

The World Assembly,
Finding [preambulatory clause 1],
Considering [preambulatory clause 2],
Resolving [preambulatory clause 3],
Enacts as follows,
  1. [Clause I],
    1. [Subclause 1],
    2. [Subclause 2],
    3. [Subclause 3],
  2. [Clause II],
    1. [Subclause 1],
    2. [Subclause 2],
  3. [Clause III],
    1. [Subclause 1],
    2. [Subclause 2].

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The World Assembly,
Finding [preambulatory clause 1],
Considering [preambulatory clause 2],
Resolving [preambulatory clause 3],
Enacts as follows,
[list=I][*][Clause I],
[list=1][*][Subclause 1],
[*][Subclause 2],
[*][Subclause 3],[/list]
[*][Clause II],
[list=1][*][Subclause 1],
[*][Subclause 2],[/list]
[*][Clause III],
[list=1][*][Subclause 1],
[*][Subclause 2].[/list][/list]
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Animal Protection And Safety Act Q&A

Postby Nshi » Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:20 am

To my colleagues at the World Assembly and to the Regional Delegates, I hereby put a draft of a proposal that I believe is necessary to pass.

The Animal Protection And Safety Act (or APASA for short):

"The World Assembly,
In order to better protect the animals in our member nations and to also expand the National Animal Preservation Act (NAPA), we shall pass this Act to not just protect the animal representing the nation but also all endangered animals in our member nations.

1. This Act shall establish the World Assembly Animal Conservation Agency (WAACA). All of at least 10% of the member nations' owned land shall be given to reforestation, authorized by WAACA.

2. All businesses, including logging, mining, and manufacturing, settling in the land shall be relocated and any contracts before the passing of the Act shall be null and void.

3. All zoos shall release all animals towards the land which the member nation gives and allow scientists appointed by the WAACA to research the animals sustainably.

4. And all factories causing air, sea, and/or land pollution shall be removed in our member states in its entirety to better protect those animals who are unknowingly dying out of the chemicals releasing out of the factories.

This Act shall be enacted five days after its approval."

If you have any concerns or questions, let me know so I could make the necessary changes.

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Postby Untecna » Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:26 am

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Postby Elyreia » Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:26 pm

Nshi wrote:
3. All zoos shall release all animals towards the land which the member nation gives and allow scientists appointed by the WAACA to research the animals sustainably.



I don't think lions, tropical lizards and birds, snakes, and fish will be able to survive on an arctic snowy boreal island such as Elyreia. Most would die outright from hypothermia or starvation. Doesn't seem very good at safety or protection
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Postby Pheonixknight » Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:33 pm

Absolutely 100% against.

Nshi wrote:To my colleagues at the World Assembly and to the Regional Delegates, I hereby put a draft of a proposal that I believe is necessary to pass.

The Animal Protection And Safety Act (or APASA for short):

"The World Assembly,
In order to better protect the animals in our member nations and to also expand the National Animal Preservation Act (NAPA), we shall pass this Act to not just protect the animal representing the nation but also all endangered animals in our member nations.

1. This Act shall establish the World Assembly Animal Conservation Agency (WAACA). All of at least 10% of the member nations' owned land shall be given to reforestation, authorized by WAACA.
2. All businesses, including logging, mining, and manufacturing, settling in the land shall be relocated and any contracts before the passing of the Act shall be null and void.

this would be economically ruinous to many countries, especially those which rely on those industries, while also bankrupting those businesses. Also, it would halt development if the land were near a city. Additionally, if a country is in a desert, then the purpose would be moot.

3. All zoos shall release all animals towards the land which the member nation gives and allow scientists appointed by the WAACA to research the animals sustainably.

The environments of some nations are inhospitable to the animals they have in their zoos. Imagine releasing a polar bear into a (sand) desert.
4. And all factories causing air, sea, and/or land pollution shall be removed in our member states in its entirety to better protect those animals who are unknowingly dying out of the chemicals releasing out of the factories.

Again, economically ruinous. Steampunk nations would be absolutely decimated.
This Act shall be enacted five days after its approval."

Completely unessesary.


You've been here for only a week, so I suggest you spend some time familiarizing yourself with previous WA resolutions. Also, don't make another topic for each draft, just revise one post, so you don't clog up the forum.
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Postby The Overmind » Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:23 pm

Why is this labeled Q&A instead of [Draft]?
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Postby Nshi » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:01 pm

The Overmind wrote:
Nshi wrote:Fellow members of the World Assembly! Before making this proposal a resolution, I am here to answer any questions or concerns you may have.

I suggest putting the proposal, in its current form, in the OP, and keeping a running log of your drafts in a reply like:
Your draft here.

Your draft here.

Your draft here.

Code: Select all
[spoiler=Draft 1]Your draft here.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Draft 2]Your draft here.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Draft 3]Your draft here.[/spoiler]



As it stands, this will not make it to vote, let alone pass. It takes about a month of active drafting for even uncontroversial proposals to be ready for vote, depending on the complexity and your own dedication. I take this from my reply to you in the Q&A thread:

The first thing you'll probably want to do is look at some passed resolutions, particularly newer ones, to get a sense of the structure, style, and arguments that make for a successful proposal.

If you have a particular topic in mind, you can keyword search topics in the passed resolutions thread or peruse the first reply for titles with similar-sounding topics, both to make sure that your topic hasn't already been done and to become more familiar with the way similar topics have been successfully written.

It is also a good idea to look at the drafting threads in the General Assembly forum to see how the drafting process usually works, and how to properly keep account of older drafts.

When you feel like you have a pretty good idea how to go about writing your first draft, you'll want to create a drafting thread of your own, and also read the proposal comprendium to make sure your proposal is and remains legal. Your proposal should be written in BBCode (see below), and you can expect that the drafting process, as a rule of thumb, will take at least a month of active participation in the drafting thread for topics that are not controversial (longer for controversial topics).

Also, have fun; the drafting process takes a while, so if you only focus on the outcome and not the process, it can feel like a lot of work.

The World Assembly,
Finding [preambulatory clause 1],
Considering [preambulatory clause 2],
Resolving [preambulatory clause 3],
Enacts as follows,
  1. [Clause I],
    1. [Subclause 1],
    2. [Subclause 2],
    3. [Subclause 3],
  2. [Clause II],
    1. [Subclause 1],
    2. [Subclause 2],
  3. [Clause III],
    1. [Subclause 1],
    2. [Subclause 2].

Code: Select all
The World Assembly,
Finding [preambulatory clause 1],
Considering [preambulatory clause 2],
Resolving [preambulatory clause 3],
Enacts as follows,
[list=I][*][Clause I],
[list=1][*][Subclause 1],
[*][Subclause 2],
[*][Subclause 3],[/list]
[*][Clause II],
[list=1][*][Subclause 1],
[*][Subclause 2],[/list]
[*][Clause III],
[list=1][*][Subclause 1],
[*][Subclause 2].[/list][/list]


Thank you.

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[Draft 1] Animal Protection And Safety Act

Postby Nshi » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:03 pm

I'm putting the first draft here. Please, if you have any suggestions on what I should change, let me know.

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Postby The Overmind » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:48 pm

Nshi wrote:I'm putting the first draft here. Please, if you have any suggestions on what I should change, let me know.

Wait, why make a third thread? You posted a drafting thread. You can just edit its title
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Postby Nshi » Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:00 pm

The Overmind wrote:
Nshi wrote:I'm putting the first draft here. Please, if you have any suggestions on what I should change, let me know.

Wait, why make a third thread? You posted a drafting thread. You can just edit its title


Oh, I didn't know that.

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Postby Elyreia » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:20 pm

And then it was one thread.
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Postby The Overmind » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:25 pm

Elyreia wrote:And then it was one thread.

Ah, good, but the author should put the draft in the OP and retitle this "[Draft] Animal Protection And Safety Act" or "[DRAFT] Animal Protection And Safety Act"
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Postby Nshi » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:46 pm

Draft 2

The World Assembly,
Determined to promote not only eco-friendliness but also to protect not just endangered species but also all animals who are under the threat of endangerment but

Understanding the member nations must not only sustain the economy but to grow it,

This Act shall do the following:

1. All member nations who are dealing with deforestation shall stop their operations and begin reforestation once this Act is passed. The WA Forest Commission shall oversee this. This is so that animals living in this area shall not have to move or forcefully migrate.

2. 25% of all factories causing air, sea, and/or land pollution (including oil drilling) shall be removed in our member states to better protect those animals who are unknowingly dying out of the chemicals releasing out of the factories.

3. All zoos shall release all animals towards reservations of which the WA Endangerment Species Committee and the Protection of Animal Welfare will oversee and shall be taken for the period of this Act.

4. And the WA General Fund, established by Clause 2 of the WA General Fund Act, shall establish a economic relief program, known as the Recession Prevention, to give relief to all nations severely affected by this Act.
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Postby Untecna » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:47 pm

Two things:

One, OP, post new drafts in the original post, not in a new post. Edits go a long way.

Two, that draft is somehow worse. It's far too vague and overreaching at the same time to be effective. Nor does it actually protect animals.
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Postby Nshi » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:57 pm

Untecna wrote:Two things:

One, OP, post new drafts in the original post, not in a new post. Edits go a long way.

Two, that draft is somehow worse. It's far too vague and overreaching at the same time to be effective. Nor does it actually protect animals.


What do you mean? Could you please clarify?

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Postby Untecna » Sun Jan 12, 2025 5:02 pm

Nshi wrote:
Untecna wrote:Two things:

One, OP, post new drafts in the original post, not in a new post. Edits go a long way.

Two, that draft is somehow worse. It's far too vague and overreaching at the same time to be effective. Nor does it actually protect animals.


What do you mean? Could you please clarify?

"Every nation must stop deforestation" is vague. There's no set plan to do that. It's just a "please do this". Not to mention that forest health is not intrinsically related to the purpose of an animal protection resolution, as it is written now.

Removing any portion of industry, as written in Clause 2, may well result in economic collapses across the WA, and again, has nothing to do with the stated intent of this proposal.

Releasing all captive animals immediately, with no conditions on where they must go or how they will be cared for, is bound to see every single one of those animals die. Quite the opposite of the stated intent.

Finally, the WA General Fund is not used to reimburse nations which have had their economies destroyed by things you thought somehow helped animal populations.
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Postby Nshi » Sun Jan 12, 2025 5:53 pm

Untecna wrote:
Nshi wrote:
What do you mean? Could you please clarify?

"Every nation must stop deforestation" is vague. There's no set plan to do that. It's just a "please do this". Not to mention that forest health is not intrinsically related to the purpose of an animal protection resolution, as it is written now.

Removing any portion of industry, as written in Clause 2, may well result in economic collapses across the WA, and again, has nothing to do with the stated intent of this proposal.

Releasing all captive animals immediately, with no conditions on where they must go or how they will be cared for, is bound to see every single one of those animals die. Quite the opposite of the stated intent.

Finally, the WA General Fund is not used to reimburse nations which have had their economies destroyed by things you thought somehow helped animal populations.


Oh, I see. Thank you for the honesty.

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Postby The Overmind » Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:09 pm

Put. Your current draft. In the OP. Please.
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Postby Nshi » Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:54 am

The Overmind wrote:Put. Your current draft. In the OP. Please.


I did it.

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Postby Nshi » Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:05 am

Nshi wrote:
Untecna wrote:"Every nation must stop deforestation" is vague. There's no set plan to do that. It's just a "please do this". Not to mention that forest health is not intrinsically related to the purpose of an animal protection resolution, as it is written now.

Removing any portion of industry, as written in Clause 2, may well result in economic collapses across the WA, and again, has nothing to do with the stated intent of this proposal.

Releasing all captive animals immediately, with no conditions on where they must go or how they will be cared for, is bound to see every single one of those animals die. Quite the opposite of the stated intent.

Finally, the WA General Fund is not used to reimburse nations which have had their economies destroyed by things you thought somehow helped animal populations.


Oh, I see. Thank you for the honesty.


But if I may, I would like to present a counterargument. You see, there are three levels in the environmental world: Producers, Consumers, and Decomposers. Producers are the trees and plants that are mentioned in this draft. Many animals, such as monkeys and birds, need plants for food, shelter, and a place to hide from predators. And deforestation causes animals to lose their food and shelter, making them subject to starvation and endangerment, thanks to predators. And another thing, while I'm on the topic, we have to take into account the wild herbivores that are going to be severely affected thanks to deforestation. If they can't find their food, they will die of starvation or be hunted, making a sudden increase and/or decrease in meat produce.

And speaking of that, since the meat produce is one of the main type of items sold, along with fruits and others, and since it will have a significant percentage of the economy, not stopping deforestation will have devastating effects on the nations. The plants that are being cut down for farming or new buildings is exactly what plant eating animals like rabbits and deer need to gain energy and reproduce. For the animals who eat meat, they need the herbivores for the same things. And we depend somewhat on them for the same thing. It's a chain reaction, which is why I wrote #1 of Draft 2.

As for #2, I wrote this in because harmful chemicals that might spread to the water, air, and land, therefore, harming the organisms living there. For example, some pesticides can negatively impact the food chain and in return, like I mentioned in the paragraphs above, impact the food produce. Also, when there's runoff water and pesticides mixing together, it could hold the danger of contaminating the water that both animals and humans drink, which is another reason why I wrote #2 or considered writing something similar.

And while you might be right that I didn't add specifics on how the animals will be taken care, mentioning in #3, that doesn't mean every single animal will die. No matter how much you can teach animals, they will still have the natural instincts of an animal, no matter how faint it might be. But I will add that in my next draft.

And also about #4, while you may be right that the WAGF doesn't provide economic relief, I will still stand with the Recession Prevention and will find another way to make this possible.

But I honestly appreciate your constructive criticism, and I will be honored if you could be my co-author. I also encourage the others to share your thoughts.

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Postby Untecna » Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:00 am

Nshi wrote:
Nshi wrote:
Oh, I see. Thank you for the honesty.


But if I may, I would like to present a counterargument. You see, there are three levels in the environmental world: Producers, Consumers, and Decomposers. Producers are the trees and plants that are mentioned in this draft. Many animals, such as monkeys and birds, need plants for food, shelter, and a place to hide from predators. And deforestation causes animals to lose their food and shelter, making them subject to starvation and endangerment, thanks to predators. And another thing, while I'm on the topic, we have to take into account the wild herbivores that are going to be severely affected thanks to deforestation. If they can't find their food, they will die of starvation or be hunted, making a sudden increase and/or decrease in meat produce.

Yes, I passed high school biology, thank you.

The clause present in writing is too vague to be effective, and doesn't actually address animal concerns.

And speaking of that, since the meat produce is one of the main type of items sold, along with fruits and others, and since it will have a significant percentage of the economy, not stopping deforestation will have devastating effects on the nations. The plants that are being cut down for farming or new buildings is exactly what plant eating animals like rabbits and deer need to gain energy and reproduce. For the animals who eat meat, they need the herbivores for the same things. And we depend somewhat on them for the same thing. It's a chain reaction, which is why I wrote #1 of Draft 2.

Again, I passed high school biology. Again, Clause 1 does not address animal concerns.

As for #2, I wrote this in because harmful chemicals that might spread to the water, air, and land, therefore, harming the organisms living there. For example, some pesticides can negatively impact the food chain and in return, like I mentioned in the paragraphs above, impact the food produce. Also, when there's runoff water and pesticides mixing together, it could hold the danger of contaminating the water that both animals and humans drink, which is another reason why I wrote #2 or considered writing something similar.

Then would it not be better to clean up waste and toxins, rather than shut down a quarter of every member nation's industry? Addressing animal concerns should not require that member nations lose massive chunks of their economy.

And while you might be right that I didn't add specifics on how the animals will be taken care, mentioning in #3, that doesn't mean every single animal will die. No matter how much you can teach animals, they will still have the natural instincts of an animal, no matter how faint it might be. But I will add that in my next draft.

Well, this is also a high school biology subject, so I'll take a turn to explain the basics.

First of all, animals in captivity need to be rehabilitated for the wild. There is no provision for that. As written, all of these animals would simply be dumped into a single location. You've killed anything that isn't native to the conditions already. Then, you dump them all very close. Predators eat prey easily, and with no food sources past that, they, too, perish. If you don't want to run into ecological disaster, don't be vague.

And also about #4, while you may be right that the WAGF doesn't provide economic relief, I will still stand with the Recession Prevention and will find another way to make this possible.

You know how you can avoid using Clause 4 altogether? Fixing Clause 2! Isn't that incredible?

But I honestly appreciate your constructive criticism, and I will be honored if you could be my co-author. I also encourage the others to share your thoughts.

No thanks. I'm not here to write your resolution for you.
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Postby Nshi » Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:01 pm

New draft in the OP. Feel free to share your thoughts.

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Postby Alkzine » Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:54 pm

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