by Liberal Malaysia » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:31 am
by United Bongo States of the New America » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:34 am
by Vastiuq » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:35 am
by Kvatchdom » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:38 am
by Vastiuq » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:40 am
Kvatchdom wrote:Colonialism takes many different forms, in modern times mostly through neocolonialism, which is ultimately agreed upon to be a very bad concept by civil society.
Also, colonialism did not give us the English language or the concepts of freedom or democracy, the English gave us the English language, and the concepts of freedom and democracy have existed for thousands of years.
Whatever you think of past by European powers, the fact that cannot be denied is that they led to the deaths of millions upon millions, and did not significantly increase quality of life among even European commoners until industrialisation and liberalism.
by Durius » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:41 am
Liberal Malaysia wrote:Colonialism gave us the English language and the ideas of freedom and democracy that have proven so subversive around the world.
by Kvatchdom » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:42 am
Vastiuq wrote:Kvatchdom wrote:Colonialism takes many different forms, in modern times mostly through neocolonialism, which is ultimately agreed upon to be a very bad concept by civil society.
Also, colonialism did not give us the English language or the concepts of freedom or democracy, the English gave us the English language, and the concepts of freedom and democracy have existed for thousands of years.
Whatever you think of past by European powers, the fact that cannot be denied is that they led to the deaths of millions upon millions, and did not significantly increase quality of life among even European commoners until industrialisation and liberalism.
The English colonialism is the main reason the language is so common today
by Southglory » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:42 am
Durius wrote:Liberal Malaysia wrote:Colonialism gave us the English language and the ideas of freedom and democracy that have proven so subversive around the world.
Colonialism gave the West the ideas of freedom of democracy that were prevalent in the New World. It was good for the West. It wasn't so good for the free and democratic nations and cultures that were destroyed.
by Liberal Malaysia » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:44 am
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by DashOfCarolinian » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:46 am
United Calanworie wrote:Literally just hit "preview" and it'll happen. It only is "absent" in F7 because nobody previews their posts because they're trying to move at the speed of mach fuck to not get ninjd.
by Cyptopir » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:48 am
DashOfCarolinian wrote:I feel like the discussion around colonialism forgets that it isn't just limited to Europe. Think Hokkaido. Integral part of Japan that has forever been Japanese, right? Wrong, it was colonized in 1869, not even that long ago!
by Kvatchdom » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:49 am
by Kvatchdom » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:49 am
Cyptopir wrote:DashOfCarolinian wrote:I feel like the discussion around colonialism forgets that it isn't just limited to Europe. Think Hokkaido. Integral part of Japan that has forever been Japanese, right? Wrong, it was colonized in 1869, not even that long ago!
justice for the ainu people
they're still being discriminated against, yet no one talks about it so no one knows
by Kasdados » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:54 am
by Durius » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:54 am
by Southglory » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:55 am
Cyptopir wrote:DashOfCarolinian wrote:I feel like the discussion around colonialism forgets that it isn't just limited to Europe. Think Hokkaido. Integral part of Japan that has forever been Japanese, right? Wrong, it was colonized in 1869, not even that long ago!
justice for the ainu people
they're still being discriminated against, yet no one talks about it so no one knows
by Cyptopir » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:58 am
Kasdados wrote:In my opinion, colonialism as a concept has existed since the dawn of man - the dawn of animals, possibly. Organisms do not like being contained. They want to spread out, and gain as much territory as possible. Because with as much territory as possible, you gain as much resources as possible, and thus as much chances for children as possible.
If you’re confused, let me put it this way. Do you think the primordial animals of ancient North America appreciated Proto-Native-American’s arriving? Do you think the now-extinct creatures of Africa appreciated being hunted down by arrivals?
by Southglory » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:58 am
Durius wrote:Southglory wrote:
Lol what.
Which part do you need me to explain to you? That there were indigenous nations in North America that had way greater freedoms and democracy than those in Europe? That the Jesuits and other authors reported on that and those works and ideas made their way to Europe and became very popular, sparking the Enlightenment? Or that the indigenous nations of North America were wiped out by colonialism? Please do clarify what is causing you confusion.
by Pale Dawn » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:00 am
by Kasdados » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:00 am
Cyptopir wrote:Kasdados wrote:In my opinion, colonialism as a concept has existed since the dawn of man - the dawn of animals, possibly. Organisms do not like being contained. They want to spread out, and gain as much territory as possible. Because with as much territory as possible, you gain as much resources as possible, and thus as much chances for children as possible.
If you’re confused, let me put it this way. Do you think the primordial animals of ancient North America appreciated Proto-Native-American’s arriving? Do you think the now-extinct creatures of Africa appreciated being hunted down by arrivals?
Excellent job comparing colonizing and genociding to hunting animals in prehistoric times. Makes you look very good.
by Cyptopir » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:02 am
by Vastiuq » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:02 am
Kasdados wrote:Cyptopir wrote:Excellent job comparing colonizing and genociding to hunting animals in prehistoric times. Makes you look very good.
Well, didn’t we technically genocide those animals?
Plus, via your own principles - you’re degrading the quality of animal life. Via saying that, you don’t think that animals are equal to humans, or as undeserving of suffering as ourselves. Speciesist.
by Kasdados » Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:02 am
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