Threadjacking and Flamebaiting the CDT

[Luminesa]

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Saiwania has spent the last page or so going on and on about his own fantasies about Christianity, to the ire of pretty much everyone in the CDT. Using the term “cuckhold”, as if it is somehow an objective truth in a matter of religious discussion, is absolutely flamebaiting. Nobody can look at Saiwania with a straight face and claim that he isn’t either trying to air his laundry about his incel views, or to start an argument knowing that it will not end well.

[Aason]

In the same thread

You're talking to a guy who hates women and really wants incels to accept him because no one else will.

Yes, I hate women in some respects, but it is not without reason or experience- and it of course doesn't extend to all or even most women. But I have no reason to trust, like, or love many amongst them either. Even women hate other women often. So it is complicated. Not a simple matter of hating one sex over the other in all circumstances or contexts.

I’m pretty sure saying you hate a group is flaming/flamebaiting no matter how you frame it. I may be wrong on it being actionable but I’ll put this here just in case

[Luminesa]

Bump please

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Not the same thread but can we do something about Saiwania and his desire to turn every thread into an incel or sex thread?

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[Saiwana]

My posts are genuine articles of faith and my perspective. It does not break any rule and can't be acted upon if this is the case. It should be noted that Luminesa and Nanatsu have a history of trying to wield Moderation as weapons in an effort to force me off this website. Their posting history reveals their bad faith dislike of my politics and opining on most conceivable topics of discussion here. Luminesa in particular is attempting thread ownership of the CDT for my having dared to encroach on what they see as their territory so far as discussion threads go, solely because most of the time it is not my modus operandi to venture into that thread as a mostly un-religious person. My questions for the CDT are genuine, even if unpopular. If I did not respect consensus from some different groups I'm not apart of, to at least have curiosity about what answers I will be given and ponder on it, I wouldn't ask them anything.

The perception I'm getting is that I have my own personal Pharisees on here that plot, connive, and fret about what I say when and where, hoping for my downfall solely because of my politics and perspectives that I should get limited protection from when the complaints are frivolous.

[Nu Elysium]

/bump since this has fallen to the 5th page.

[Fahran]

Given the remark about cuckoldry is aimed at a more general audience, it wouldn't constitute flame-baiting, which specifically applies to efforts to elicit angry and flaming responses from another player. Trolling would be the more appropriate label here.

I'm not seeing it as trolling either in this particular case. Unlike terms like "sky daddy", which were designed and are intended to elicit a negative response from Christians and thus constitute trolling, this strikes me as a genuine inquiry, albeit one that centers incel and red-pill perspectives in a place that many might deem inappropriate or offensive, that wasn't intended to elicit negative responses. Intention matters, and I'm not seeing the intentionality here.

It's also not threadjacking at the moment since it does ask about the psychology of a mildly important Christian figure and didn't generate engagement that dragged the thread into an off-topic conversation about cuckoldry. Likewise, the post Nana reported was made in a separate thread and appears to have received a similar lack of engagement beyond the cursory level.

I completely understand the anger, given the content of the post and the implications it made about G-d and several important Christian figures, including Mary and Joseph, but my suggestion is to use the ignore feature in this case.

[Fahran]

Also, interpreting Sai's response as a report of "mods as weapons" against Lumi and Nana, I'm ruling that one not-actionable as well. It's completely appropriate and, in fact, encouraged for players to report posts or content they believe violates or could violate the rules. Lumi and Nana both appear to have made their reports in good faith.

I’m pretty sure saying you hate a group is flaming/flamebaiting no matter how you frame it. I may be wrong on it being actionable but I’ll put this here just in case

Flaming and flame-baiting target a single person. The correct term here, providing it were applicable, would be trolling.

It's borderline, but I'm leaning towards it being not-actionable since elaboration and clarification were included and it came in response to the accusation that he hated women. We do not ban misogyny or racism or homophobia on site, so those alone wouldn't make a post actionable necessarily. This is basically someone saying "You're a sexist" and another person saying "Yes, but..."

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Thanks for looking into it, Fahran.