Could NS Australia temporarily prevent ocean level rise?

[Rusozak]

You know the oh, 60 or so years scientists have been warning everyone about climate change and having to act right now? Yeah that ship's long sailed. People were too content to keep kicking that can down the road until they started to actually feel it. And now it's too late. There's no preventing climate change or sea level rise anymore. We can do all we can to mitigate and ride the storm, but prevent? We had our chance and chose to ignore it. The older generations have damned us all before many of us were even born.

[Bovad]

The sea level rising is going to flood the coasts so why don't we flood the inland?
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Exactly.......... this idea was given to me by somebody from Australia..... I thought that it was realistic and rather creative and a worthwhile option in comparison to what could happen to Bangladesh, the Maldive Islands, Bermuda and the Isthmus of Chignecto in eastern Canada, in the event of ocean levels perhaps rather rapidly rising by one meter in the event of a disaster on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.

realistic

[Kostane]

You know the oh, 60 or so years scientists have been warning everyone about climate change and having to act right now? Yeah that ship's long sailed. People were too content to keep kicking that can down the road until they started to actually feel it. And now it's too late. There's no preventing climate change or sea level rise anymore. We can do all we can to mitigate and ride the storm, but prevent? We had our chance and chose to ignore it. The older generations have damned us all before many of us were even born.

There’s still stuff we can do, but we are rapidly approaching tipping points like the collapse of the Gulf Stream, the destruction of critical forests and the melting of the ice caps. If we can stop or reverse warming before we reach these points, the crisis will have been averted. Once we reach these points, positive feedback loops will make warming even more difficult to stop. Our focus shouldn’t be solely shifted to mitigation yet. It isn’t hopeless. Our focus should begin to shift towards carbon capture and geoengineering solutions though, as emission reductions would likely be too little too late at this point. It turns out that you cannot have your cake of a habitable planet and eat it too by consuming every available resource. Hopefully humanity will learn their lesson. The only feasible response is an immediate and rapid reduction in emissions paired with negative emissions and geoengineering technology.

[Liberal Malaysia]

No amount of feel-good Net Zero "degrowth" nonsense is going to prevent sea levels from rising any further. The world is changing and we need to deal with it instead of attempting to stave off the inevitable. If anything, transitioning to unreliable, weather-dependent renewable energy will lead to more power outages and an even greater reliance on the dirtiest and most inefficient fossil fuel ever: coal, because the oil refineries, natural gas refineries and nuclear power plants will be demolished at the behest of the green lobby.

The goal of Net Zero is for humanity to starve itself to death. Kemi Badenoch's cousin from Canada literally killed himself because he believed that humanity was destroying the Earth and had absolutely no right to exist. This sort of nonsense actually exacerbates mental illness among young people. This is what happens when you substitute traditional religion, which I'm no fan of, with modern woke "religion". You just end up with more of the same sort of feel-good nonsense cloaked in an illusory "scientific consensus" borne out of threats of having one's scientific career and reputation destroyed, as it was with the systematic attempts to suppress covid dissent during the pandemic and what the medical establishment did to Dr. Jay Bhattacharya et al.

I have yet to see Greta Thunberg go to Beijing to protest against the world's biggest polluter, the CCP. But the Syrian civil war was "caused by climate change". I'm not making this shit up. The difference between her and the UN delegates whom she famously lay into is that she genuinely believes the absolute tripe she's been fed, but this is merely evidence that the neoliberal elites have opened up a Pandora's box of True Believers who may be more difficult to manipulate to their advantage than they previously believed.

Furthermore, rising sea levels = fewer Pacific island nations = fewer UN member states with disproportionate influence relative to their tiny populations in the General Assembly voting against the United States and Israel, and fewer UN member states for China to poach from Taiwan with short-term promises of economic and financial gimmicks (i.e. vote buying), threatening freedom of navigation in the open waters, i.e. Chinese maritime aggression in the South China Sea and across the Pacific.

Australia, India and other larger countries can take their inhabitants in as refugees. The Maldives, a Muslim-majority country that discriminates against atheists, singles out Israel internationally and whose inhabitants recently passed up a pro-Indian president for a pro-Chinese one, will cease to exist, its residents safely relocated to India, a gracious host they voted to spurn. India's massive population and zero-tolerance policy toward Muslim extremism will absolutely ensure that the soon-to-be ex-Maldivians assimilate.

For developing countries, the most effective safeguard against the dangers of climate change is rapid industrialization and economic growth, best achieved by temporarily burning a large amount of fossil fuels and emitting MORE carbon dioxide as a stopgap toward a transition to nuclear power and natural gas. If the Netherlands, which constructed an impressive network of flood barriers 400 years ago, can survive rising sea levels, Bangladesh sure as hell can.

For developed countries like Australia, the transition to nuclear energy can be made even sooner, and governments should seriously invest in nuclear fusion research, or the tech will forever be something that will only be made available "thirty years from now".

Fewer people will starve and fewer people will suffer the consequences of what's to come if we universally reject this Net Zero nonsense. The Paris Climate Accord must be universally scrapped and repudiated altogether.

Sources:

Environmental Progress
Public News
The Honest Broker

[SKM]

Fewer people will starve and fewer people will suffer the consequences of what's to come if we universally reject this Net Zero nonsense. The Paris Climate Accord must be universally scrapped and repudiated altogether.

Sorry but in what universe has a problem ever been solved by actively trying to make it worse? You're not even pretending the issue doesn't exist but advocating for these events to run their course and destroy entire countries because you personally don't like them, and then expect the whole world to get along and be kind enough to mop up all the mess that didn't even have to happen if they had cooperated in the first place??
Please explain to me how this isn't dark and twisted and entirely nonsensical.

[Digital Planets]

I am absolutely convinced OP is a gimmick account at this point.

[NorthernPesos]

I am absolutely convinced OP is a gimmick account at this point.

What exactly is a "gimmick account?"

I live now in Paris, Ontario, Canada and my hobby has been losing election campaigns while I was still in Nova Scotia, Canada. Nova Scotia can be kind of boring so some of us resort to drastic measures to make life somewhat more interesting.

Teaching English in Quito, Ecuador where my third wife is from tends to make us Canadians more determined to ruffle some intellectual feathers and make people think outside of the box. The Bill Gates "Innovating to zero" thesis depends totally on a Carbon Tax to work. So.... if Australians can get people thinking outside the box on this topic, then Bill Gates loses mindless minions who are not questioning him and Al Gore.

Turning deserts green can be marketed to conservatives but a Carbon Tax tends to divide Canada and America and Australia into factions.

[NorthernPesos]

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There’s still stuff we can do, but we are rapidly approaching tipping points like the collapse of the Gulf Stream, the destruction of critical forests and the melting of the ice caps. If we can stop or reverse warming before we reach these points, the crisis will have been averted. Once we reach these points, positive feedback loops will make warming even more difficult to stop. Our focus shouldn’t be solely shifted to mitigation yet. It isn’t hopeless. Our focus should begin to shift towards carbon capture and geoengineering solutions though, as emission reductions would likely be too little too late at this point. It turns out that you cannot have your cake of a habitable planet and eat it too by consuming every available resource. Hopefully humanity will learn their lesson. The only feasible response is an immediate and rapid reduction in emissions paired with negative emissions and geoengineering technology.

On the positive side atmospheric carbon dioxide is causing a general greening trend on the entire planet. Even some deserts are becoming greener although there has been no increase in water there.

" CO2 is making earth greener for now" [NASA]
A quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.

An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.

Green leaves use energy from sunlight through photosynthesis to chemically combine carbon dioxide drawn in from the air with water and nutrients tapped from the ground to produce sugars, which are the main source of food, fiber and fuel for life on Earth. Studies have shown that increased concentrations of carbon dioxide increase photosynthesis, spurring plant growth.

While rising carbon dioxide concentrations in the air can be beneficial for plants, it is also the chief culprit of climate change. The gas, which traps heat in Earth’s atmosphere, has been increasing since the industrial age due to the burning of oil, gas, coal and wood for energy and is continuing to reach concentrations not seen in at least 500,000 years. The impacts of climate change include global warming, rising sea levels, melting glaciers and sea ice as well as more severe weather events.

Carbon dioxide fertilization isn’t the only cause of the increased plant growth—nitrogen, land cover change and climate change by way of global temperature, precipitation and sunlight changes all contribute to the greening effect. To determine the extent of carbon dioxide’s contribution, researchers ran the data for carbon dioxide and each of the other variables in isolation through several computer models that mimic the plant growth observed in the satellite data.

Results showed that carbon dioxide fertilization explains 70 percent of the greening effect, said co-author Ranga Myneni, a professor in the Department of Earth and Environment at Boston University. “The second most important driver is nitrogen, at 9 percent. So we see what an outsized role CO2 plays in this process.”

[New haven america]

You know the oh, 60 or so years scientists have been warning everyone about climate change and having to act right now? Yeah that ship's long sailed. People were too content to keep kicking that can down the road until they started to actually feel it. And now it's too late. There's no preventing climate change or sea level rise anymore. We can do all we can to mitigate and ride the storm, but prevent? We had our chance and chose to ignore it. The older generations have damned us all before many of us were even born.

It's actually closer to 100, because even scientists during the Industrial Revolution were worried about carbon levels.

[New haven america]

No amount of feel-good Net Zero "degrowth" nonsense is going to prevent sea levels from rising any further. The world is changing and we need to deal with it instead of attempting to stave off the inevitable. If anything, transitioning to unreliable, weather-dependent renewable energy will lead to more power outages and an even greater reliance on the dirtiest and most inefficient fossil fuel ever: coal, because the oil refineries, natural gas refineries and nuclear power plants will be demolished at the behest of the green lobby.

The goal of Net Zero is for humanity to starve itself to death. Kemi Badenoch's cousin from Canada literally killed himself because he believed that humanity was destroying the Earth and had absolutely no right to exist. This sort of nonsense actually exacerbates mental illness among young people. This is what happens when you substitute traditional religion, which I'm no fan of, with modern woke "religion". You just end up with more of the same sort of feel-good nonsense cloaked in an illusory "scientific consensus" borne out of threats of having one's scientific career and reputation destroyed, as it was with the systematic attempts to suppress covid dissent during the pandemic and what the medical establishment did to Dr. Jay Bhattacharya et al.

I have yet to see Greta Thunberg go to Beijing to protest against the world's biggest polluter, the CCP. But the Syrian civil war was "caused by climate change". I'm not making this shit up. The difference between her and the UN delegates whom she famously lay into is that she genuinely believes the absolute tripe she's been fed, but this is merely evidence that the neoliberal elites have opened up a Pandora's box of True Believers who may be more difficult to manipulate to their advantage than they previously believed.

Furthermore, rising sea levels = fewer Pacific island nations = fewer UN member states with disproportionate influence relative to their tiny populations in the General Assembly voting against the United States and Israel, and fewer UN member states for China to poach from Taiwan with short-term promises of economic and financial gimmicks (i.e. vote buying), threatening freedom of navigation in the open waters, i.e. Chinese maritime aggression in the South China Sea and across the Pacific.

Australia, India and other larger countries can take their inhabitants in as refugees. The Maldives, a Muslim-majority country that discriminates against atheists, singles out Israel internationally and whose inhabitants recently passed up a pro-Indian president for a pro-Chinese one, will cease to exist, its residents safely relocated to India, a gracious host they voted to spurn. India's massive population and zero-tolerance policy toward Muslim extremism will absolutely ensure that the soon-to-be ex-Maldivians assimilate.

For developing countries, the most effective safeguard against the dangers of climate change is rapid industrialization and economic growth, best achieved by temporarily burning a large amount of fossil fuels and emitting MORE carbon dioxide as a stopgap toward a transition to nuclear power and natural gas. If the Netherlands, which constructed an impressive network of flood barriers 400 years ago, can survive rising sea levels, Bangladesh sure as hell can.

For developed countries like Australia, the transition to nuclear energy can be made even sooner, and governments should seriously invest in nuclear fusion research, or the tech will forever be something that will only be made available "thirty years from now".

Fewer people will starve and fewer people will suffer the consequences of what's to come if we universally reject this Net Zero nonsense. The Paris Climate Accord must be universally scrapped and repudiated altogether.

Sources:

Environmental Progress
Public News
The Honest Broker

The US is the world's largest carbon producer, not China.

[NorthernPesos]

No amount of feel-good Net Zero "degrowth" nonsense is going to prevent sea levels from rising any further. The world is changing and we need to deal with it instead of attempting to stave off the inevitable. If anything, transitioning to unreliable, weather-dependent renewable energy will lead to more power outages and an even greater reliance on the dirtiest and most inefficient fossil fuel ever: coal, because the oil refineries, natural gas refineries and nuclear power plants will be demolished at the behest of the green lobby.

The goal of Net Zero is for humanity to starve itself to death. Kemi Badenoch's cousin from Canada literally killed himself because he believed that humanity was destroying the Earth and had absolutely no right to exist. This sort of nonsense actually exacerbates mental illness among young people. This is what happens when you substitute traditional religion, which I'm no fan of, with modern woke "religion". You just end up with more of the same sort of feel-good nonsense cloaked in an illusory "scientific consensus" borne out of threats of having one's scientific career and reputation destroyed, as it was with the systematic attempts to suppress covid dissent during the pandemic and what the medical establishment did to Dr. Jay Bhattacharya et al.

I have yet to see Greta Thunberg go to Beijing to protest against the world's biggest polluter, the CCP. But the Syrian civil war was "caused by climate change". I'm not making this shit up. The difference between her and the UN delegates whom she famously lay into is that she genuinely believes the absolute tripe she's been fed, but this is merely evidence that the neoliberal elites have opened up a Pandora's box of True Believers who may be more difficult to manipulate to their advantage than they previously believed.

Furthermore, rising sea levels = fewer Pacific island nations = fewer UN member states with disproportionate influence relative to their tiny populations in the General Assembly voting against the United States and Israel, and fewer UN member states for China to poach from Taiwan with short-term promises of economic and financial gimmicks (i.e. vote buying), threatening freedom of navigation in the open waters, i.e. Chinese maritime aggression in the South China Sea and across the Pacific.

Australia, India and other larger countries can take their inhabitants in as refugees. The Maldives, a Muslim-majority country that discriminates against atheists, singles out Israel internationally and whose inhabitants recently passed up a pro-Indian president for a pro-Chinese one, will cease to exist, its residents safely relocated to India, a gracious host they voted to spurn. India's massive population and zero-tolerance policy toward Muslim extremism will absolutely ensure that the soon-to-be ex-Maldivians assimilate.

For developing countries, the most effective safeguard against the dangers of climate change is rapid industrialization and economic growth, best achieved by temporarily burning a large amount of fossil fuels and emitting MORE carbon dioxide as a stopgap toward a transition to nuclear power and natural gas. If the Netherlands, which constructed an impressive network of flood barriers 400 years ago, can survive rising sea levels, Bangladesh sure as hell can.

For developed countries like Australia, the transition to nuclear energy can be made even sooner, and governments should seriously invest in nuclear fusion research, or the tech will forever be something that will only be made available "thirty years from now".

Fewer people will starve and fewer people will suffer the consequences of what's to come if we universally reject this Net Zero nonsense. The Paris Climate Accord must be universally scrapped and repudiated altogether.

Sources:

Environmental Progress
Public News
The Honest Broker

I totally agree with you... the goal of the Al Gore Carbon Tax Theory is to set up Bill Gates and whoever passed that script to him to to his lecture "Innovating to zero" to finish his stated goal back in 2010 to reduce the world's population down from six point eight billion people down to two or three billion people, [but.... we have to ask ourselves did Bill say down to two or three billion people because he knew he would be in trouble if he were to quote the former Georgia GuideStones and say five hundred million people]!!

During his 1982 near death experiencer former Atheist Mellen Benedict was shown that by the year 2032 there would be more trees on earth than in centuries.



[Mellen Benedict, near-death .com]

10. What Is the Best Religion?
I asked God: “What is the best religion on the planet? Which one is right?” And Godhead said, with great love: “I don’t care.” That was incredible grace.

They come and they go, they change. Buddhism has not been here forever, Catholicism has not been here forever, and they are all about to become more enlightened. More light is coming into all systems now. There is going to be a reformation in spirituality that is going to be just as dramatic as the Protestant Reformation. There will be lots of people fighting about it, one religion against the next, believing that only they are right.

Everyone thinks they own God, the religions and philosophies, especially the religions, because they form big organizations around their philosophy. When Godhead said, “I don’t care,” I immediately understood that it is for us to care about. It is important, because we are the caring beings. It matters to us and that is where it is important. What you have is the energy equation in spirituality. Ultimate Godhead does not care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or whatever. It is all a blooming facet of the whole. I wish that all religions would realize it and let each other be. It is not the end of each religion, but we are talking about the same God. Live and let live. Each has a different view. And it all adds up to the Big Picture; it is all important.

I went over to the other side during my near-death experience with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear missiles, the population explosion, the rainforest. I came back loving every single problem. I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have manifested to date, as an archetype. It, more than any religion or philosophy on earth, brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness. Knowing that maybe we can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all here together now. For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it in to us. Then we started saying, “we do not need this any more.” Now we are actally in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going to get safer. So I came back from my near-death experience loving toxic waste, because it brought us together. These things are so big. As Peter Russell might say, these problems are now “soul size.” Do we have soul size answers, YES!

The clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into ecology, go for it; you are that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be depressed. It is part of a larger thing. Earth is in the process of domesticating itself. It is never again going to be as wild a place as it once was. There will be great wild places, reserves where nature thrives. Gardening and reserves will be the thing in the future. Population increase is getting very close to the optimal range of energy to cause a shift in consciousness. That shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy." [Mellen Benedict]

[NorthernPesos]

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The US is the world's largest carbon producer, not China.

I am sure that you are probably correct that the USA is the largest producer of atmospheric carbon dioxide but it was also a thinker from New Mexico who helped me by putting this idea in wording that is so much easier to understand.

America leads the world in thinking outside of the little box that BigMedia want us to confine ourselves in.

Carl Cantrell :

"So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breathe, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere.. ."

"Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes...."

"Just take a look at any satellite picture of the earth showing heat and you will see that our deserts are the warmest spots on the planet by far. More heat is being generated by just one of the top four or five deserts than by all of our cities combined.... "

"The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave…."

"So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive…."

"Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds…"

"We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell)."

[NorthernPesos]

Exactly.......... this idea was given to me by somebody from Australia..... I thought that it was realistic and rather creative and a worthwhile option in comparison to what could happen to Bangladesh, the Maldive Islands, Bermuda and the Isthmus of Chignecto in eastern Canada, in the event of ocean levels perhaps rather rapidly rising by one meter in the event of a disaster on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.

realistic

I don't blame you for thinking that this is not realistic but.....

at this time people in serious numbers must begin to realize that a Carbon Tax will NOT prevent ocean levels from rising.... so.....

I believe I need to get them thinking about turning deserts green.......

and the fact that Australia is actually in a position to create an inland salt water marina means that Australians could well lead many of the world's teachers and the younger generation out of the rather mindless submission to whatever Mr. Al Gore said in his film "An Inconvenient Truth."

I believe that turning deserts green is the best constructive act that we humans can do........

I believe that the number one most realistic answer is many replicas of the Israeli Sorek sea water desalination plant..... that is fuelled by natural gas....

I love the solar desalination technology as well but for the moment the tech that is fired by natural gas is the only realistic way to go.


https://ide-tech.com/en/project/sorek-d ... ion-plant/

About
The Sorek desalination plant is one of a kind and the largest seawater desalination plant operating with 16’’ elements in a unique vertical arrangement.
It provides potable water for millions of people, comprising 20% of the municipal water demand in Israel, thus greatly contributing to the country’s water system resilience (while minimizing the environmental impact).
In 2018 IDE sold Sorek 1 desalination plant to Dan Capital. The sale was required under a deal agreed by IDE with antitrust (competition) authorities allowing IDE to bid on a BOT tender for a second SWRO desalination plant at Soreq.


Capacity: 640,000 m³/day
Technology: Reverse Osmosis (RO)
Water Source: Seawater
Contract type: BOT For 25 years
Usage: Potable Water
Location: Rishon Le Zion, Israel
Customer: Israel Water Authority
Commissioning date: 2013