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Submitted: Repeal "Reducing Light Pollution"

Postby Arthropyria » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:01 pm

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The World Assembly,

Acknowledging the valiant efforts made to limit light pollution to improve the environment and wellness of the public.

Concerned, however, that the solutions presented do not solve or substantially reduce the issue of light pollution, instead primarily addressing a WA nation’s energy use. Noting several examples as to the inefficiency of the resolution thusly in the following clauses:

  • Regarding clause 2.a., low energy lights (LEDs, low pressure fluorescent lights, etc.) do not lower the amount of light pollution as hoped by the original legislation, instead, as previously mentioned, only reduce energy use.
  • Indicating that the legislation provides suggestions rather than requiring meaningful change, thus having little effect on WA nations.

Alarmed by the possibility that, due to clause 5 granting the IAO the ultimate adjudicative authority over disputes, the IAO may unilaterally force nations to implement light pollution controls on a shared border solely based on the appeals of the requesting nation, despite potential pushback by the impacted nations.

Recognizing that, due to such extreme infringements in the handling of disputes regarding light pollution or other concerns, disputes between nations may best be served through direct negotiations between the nations in question, rather than the final decision being rendered by an outside party.

Gravely concerned that, due to the forcing of member-nations to indemnify WASP for any costs it may incur in the process of reducing light pollution in a nation, that member-nations may be unable to affect any reasonable change, as there are no provisions for aid to be given to requesting nations who may desire improvement but may not be able to afford it.

Ultimately displeased that such an ineffectual resolution may be allowed to stand.

Hereby repeals GA#697 “Reducing Light Pollution.”


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The World Assembly,

Acknowledging the valiant efforts made to limit light pollution to improve the environment and wellness of the public.

Concerned, however, that the solutions presented do not solve or substantially reduce the issue of light pollution, instead primarily addressing a WA nation’s energy use.

Regarding clause 2.a., low energy lights (ex. LEDs, low pressure fluorescent lights, etc.) do not lower the amount of light pollution as hoped by the original legislation. Instead, as previously mentioned, only reduce energy use.

Indicating that the legislation provides suggestions rather than requiring meaningful change, thus having little effect on WA nations.

Alarmed by the possibility that, due to clause 5 granting the IAO the ultimate adjudicative authority over disputes, the IAO may unilaterally force nations to implement light pollution controls on a shared border solely based on the appeals of the requesting nation, despite potential pushback by the impacted nations.

Recognizing that, due to such extreme infringements in the handling of disputes regarding light pollution or other concerns, disputes between nations may best be served through direct negotiations between the nations in question, rather than the final decision being rendered by an outside party.

Gravely concerned that, due to forcing member-nations to indemnify WASP for any costs it may incur in the process of reducing light pollution, member-nations may be unable to affect any reasonable change as there are no provisions for aid to be given to requesting nations who may desire improvement but may not be able to afford it.

Ultimately displeased that such an ineffectual resolution may be allowed to stand.

Hereby repeals GA#697 “Reducing Light Pollution.”


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The World Assembly,

Acknowledging the valiant efforts made to limit light pollution to improve the environment and wellness of the public.

Concerned, however, that the solutions presented do not solve or substantially reduce the issue of light pollution, instead primarily addressing a WA nation’s energy use.

Noting that, regarding clause 2.a., low energy lights (e.g. LEDs, low pressure fluorescent lights) do not lower the amount of light pollution as hoped by the original legislation, but merely reduce energy use.

Disappointed that GA#697 provides suggestions rather than requiring meaningful change, thus having little effect on WA nations.

Alarmed by the possibility that, due to clause 5 granting the IAO the ultimate adjudicative authority over disputes, the IAO may unilaterally force nations to implement light pollution controls on a shared border solely based on the appeals of the requesting nation. Thus, ignoring the interests of other member nations.

Recognizing that, due to such extreme infringements in the handling of disputes regarding light pollution or other concerns, disputes between nations are best served through direct negotiations between the nations in question, rather than a third party.

Gravely concerned that, due to forcing member-nations to indemnify WASP for any costs it may incur in the process of reducing light pollution, member-nations may be unable to affect any reasonable change as there are no provisions for aid to be given to requesting nations who may desire improvement but may not be able to afford it.

Ultimately displeased that such an ineffectual resolution might be allowed to stand.

Hereby repeals GA#697 “Reducing Light Pollution.”


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Postby The Overmind » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:51 pm

Convincing arguments. Support in principle without replacement.

However, please get rid of, e.g., these extremely tortured constructions: "[n]oting several examples as to the inefficiency of the resolution thusly in the following clauses"

If possible, also write this without using subordinate clauses at all. I think you can get this across using the more familiar first-order-only clause constructions used in most other repeals.
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Postby Simone Republic » Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:04 pm

I'd rather if you don't stick a stadium next to my nature reserve.
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Postby The Overmind » Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:16 pm

Simone Republic wrote:I'd rather if you don't stick a stadium next to my nature reserve.

You're just worried they'll scare away the trout.
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Postby Jabberwocky » Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:25 pm

I solved the problem of light pollution: I wear a sleep mask.
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Postby Orcuo » Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:31 pm

Statement from the Department of World Assembly Affairs

To the World Assembly,

The Department of World Assembly Affairs is tasked with ensuring that World Assembly legislation and draft legislations are within Orcuo’s best interests. With that stated, it has determined the official stance on this draft legislation. Orcuo stands FOR aforementioned;

It has been found that the previous GA legislation, "Reducing Light Pollution", to be unnecessary to Orcuan economic, cultural, governmental, or militaristic values. Ergo, repealing it would be within Orcuan best interests.

The department strongly recommends for fellow nations to support this draft so it may become legislation one day.

~ Head of the Department of World Assembly Affairs
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Postby Elyreia » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:43 pm

Simone Republic wrote:I'd rather if you don't stick a stadium next to my nature reserve.


Considering law-as-written you can still install low energy LED bulbs that blind everything from moths to airline pilots, I'd say a repeal is necessary and a replacement encouraged for those who wish to retain the protections without the baggage
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Postby Alkzine » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:49 pm

support, but i think it's important for there to be a replacement
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Postby Simone Republic » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:46 pm

Elyreia wrote:
Simone Republic wrote:I'd rather if you don't stick a stadium next to my nature reserve.


Considering law-as-written you can still install low energy LED bulbs that blind everything from moths to airline pilots, I'd say a repeal is necessary and a replacement encouraged for those who wish to retain the protections without the baggage


LED actually isn't mentioned in the resolution. The clause in 2(b) of the target rules out that scenario
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Postby Elyreia » Thu Dec 12, 2024 9:16 am

Simone Republic wrote:
Elyreia wrote:
Considering law-as-written you can still install low energy LED bulbs that blind everything from moths to airline pilots, I'd say a repeal is necessary and a replacement encouraged for those who wish to retain the protections without the baggage


LED actually isn't mentioned in the resolution. The clause in 2(b) of the target rules out that scenario


Blind things from moths to birds to drivers.

Ambient LED bleed will still cause massive light pollution even if they aren't aimed up.
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:10 am

Support. I do not know how a resolution of this brevity had three co-authors, but I know and personally respect all of them, am convinced by all of the arguments laid, and will not stand in their way.
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Postby The Ice States » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:42 am

"We have no objections to the content or principle of this repeal and would support it at vote. In Concerned.1 we would recommend adding an argument that low-energy lights are often as bad as or worse than regular lights with regards to light pollution."

"Stylistically, this uses the format of one long sentence, as such each line should end with a semicolon and a line break should be inserted between 'a WA nation’s energy use' and 'Noting'. Finally, the conjunction 'and' should be inserted at the end of the penultimate line."

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Postby Simone Republic » Thu Dec 19, 2024 8:29 pm

The Ice States wrote:"We have no objections to the content or principle of this repeal and would support it at vote. In Concerned.1 we would recommend adding an argument that low-energy lights are often as bad as or worse than regular lights with regards to light pollution."

"Stylistically, this uses the format of one long sentence, as such each line should end with a semicolon and a line break should be inserted between 'a WA nation’s energy use' and 'Noting'. Finally, the conjunction 'and' should be inserted at the end of the penultimate line."

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Some bears are now setting up gigantic solar powered lights in international territory next to The Ice States so that The Ice States will no longer have darkness if this repeal passes.
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Postby Elyreia » Thu Dec 19, 2024 9:42 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Support. I do not know how a resolution of this brevity had three co-authors, but I know and personally respect all of them, am convinced by all of the arguments laid, and will not stand in their way.


The entire drafting process was a collaborative effort between them all from conception to presentation.
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Postby Cessarea » Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:52 pm

The Protocol lit its orb in red once more, readying itself to speak on the proposal at hand, but - apparently - a fuse overload interrupted its thought. Shorty afterwards, upon regaining "conscience", the machine blurted out violent words in quick succession, adopting a glitched and dithering voice: "GA#697 has been a prickly thorn at the side of our nation for far too long. It deserves to be stricken from record and have all traces of its existence erased in flames from this reality."

A few seconds later, it spoke once more, calmly: "Apologies. A minor malfunction has... exaggerated our sentiments in regards to this proposal. We endorse the repeal of GA#697 as it is currently written, and do not expect nor desire a replacement."
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Postby Arthropyria » Sun Dec 22, 2024 1:19 pm

Draft 2:

The World Assembly,

Acknowledging the valiant efforts made to limit light pollution to improve the environment and wellness of the public.

Concerned, however, that the solutions presented do not solve or substantially reduce the issue of light pollution, instead primarily addressing a WA nation’s energy use.

Regarding clause 2.a., low energy lights (ex. LEDs, low pressure fluorescent lights, etc.) do not lower the amount of light pollution as hoped by the original legislation. Instead, as previously mentioned, only reduce energy use.

Indicating that the legislation provides suggestions rather than requiring meaningful change, thus having little effect on WA nations.

Alarmed by the possibility that, due to clause 5 granting the IAO the ultimate adjudicative authority over disputes, the IAO may unilaterally force nations to implement light pollution controls on a shared border solely based on the appeals of the requesting nation, despite potential pushback by the impacted nations.

Recognizing that, due to such extreme infringements in the handling of disputes regarding light pollution or other concerns, disputes between nations may best be served through direct negotiations between the nations in question, rather than the final decision being rendered by an outside party.

Gravely concerned that, due to forcing member-nations to indemnify WASP for any costs it may incur in the process of reducing light pollution, member-nations may be unable to affect any reasonable change as there are no provisions for aid to be given to requesting nations who may desire improvement but may not be able to afford it.

Ultimately displeased that such an ineffectual resolution may be allowed to stand.

Hereby repeals GA#697 “Reducing Light Pollution.”
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Postby Nikosias » Mon Dec 23, 2024 7:19 pm

Nikosias of The Leftist Assembly supports this repeal.

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Postby Nu Elysium » Mon Dec 23, 2024 7:30 pm

For, this will finally allow us to resume our traditional "shining high-power floodlights at unsuspecting birds" ceremony!
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Postby Simone Republic » Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:30 pm

Nu Elysium wrote:For, this will finally allow us to resume our traditional "shining high-power floodlights at unsuspecting birds" ceremony!


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"It never affected your ceremony - it really only affects light pollution near border areas. If it's not in border areas, the resolution never considered it WA business."
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Postby Doge Flower » Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:14 pm

I'm glad more nations are trying to contribute, but I just don't see this reaching quorum. If it somehow does make it, it will probably be voted down.

I would suggest maybe reading proposal guidelines before giving it another go.

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Postby Elyreia » Thu Dec 26, 2024 7:45 pm

Doge Flower wrote:I'm glad more nations are trying to contribute, but I just don't see this reaching quorum. If it somehow does make it, it will probably be voted down.

I would suggest maybe reading proposal guidelines before giving it another go.


I'm curious which guidelines you think need to be followed, or where the draft falls short of meeting said guidelines.
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Postby Bisofeyr » Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:11 pm

I would support repeal, conditional on replacement. I had a replacement written somewhere approx. one year ago, before realizing that the target was in effect. I can, unfortunately, not find it anywhere for the life of me.
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Postby Arthropyria » Tue Jan 07, 2025 4:36 pm

Any suggestions before I submit the proposal?
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Postby The Overmind » Tue Jan 07, 2025 4:38 pm

Arthropyria wrote:Any suggestions before I submit the proposal?

You should put [Last Call] or [LAST CALL] at the start of your thread title if submission is imminent
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