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Dashcams and Fame Culture

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Why do people get dashcams?

for the internet points
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to save money in the event of litigation
10
50%
bit of both
5
25%
ancient aliens mind control them into doing it
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25%
some entirely different reason
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Dashcams and Fame Culture

Postby Forsher » Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:57 am

Every now and again you hear about some random person who does some random thing and for either random or obvious reasons, ends up (typically, briefly) famous. Two prominent examples from this year are the on going Ally Louks saga and Hawk Tuah Girl. To my understanding, Louks achieved viral fame solely from her own posts on Twitter while Hawk Tuah Girl was in someone else's video. I'm sure you can think of many other examples. I can think of others, too, just too vaguely for you to be able to look them up. Wait, Leave Britney Alone. Probably one of the OG examples.

I'm calling this fame culture. Or, rather, I'm calling the fact people know this sort of thing Could Happen To You fame culture.

At this point, there's another concept I want to bring in called "horse famous", which apparently was something that happened to people all the time when Bronys were a Thing. Basically, horse famous is when you end up being really well known in a niche community (in this case, among Bronies). Horse fame, I contend, can be generalised to any kind of community. I'd contend Four Sided Triangles was horse infamous on NSG, for example. Actually, I guess most NSG famous posters are really more NSG infamous but a while back there was Alien Space Bats. Everyone seemed to have heard of him and not a negative word was said.

So, even if you'd have to be deluded to think your next selfie will get you interviewed in the MSM and make sites like Vox write explainers on the theme "who is [] and why is everyone talking about them?", there's always the potential to become horse famous. It's more achievable but nonetheless it's still fame. (There's probably better terms than horse famous and fame culture but they're what I'm going with.)

The question I want to talk about is whether or not people buy and use dashcams because of fame culture or because they're afraid of being sued or both.

In the argument for "dashcams are part of fame culture", I present the subreddit Idiots in Cars. At 4 million subscribers it's not a massive sub but it's pretty big. This community exists almost exclusively to share and watch dashcam videos, although my personal favourite video is from a house mounted camera.. Clearly, there is an ecosystem in which horse fame and fame culture can manifest with respect to dashcams.

In the argument for "dashcams are the product of an overly litigious culture gradually eroding every inch of humanity in a self-absorbed stupor having reached the point where you need a dashcam as well as a fully-automated carbine rifle to protect yourself". The basic idea here is that in America, everyone is always looking to sue you and if you don't have video evidence, you're gonna get screwed. Indeed, well over half of the videos on the subreddit are from the US, which would suggest either Americans are particularly hopped up on fame culture or the only way to stop a bad guy with a car is a good guy with a dashcam.

For my part, I think I find the litigation point more compelling but, at the same time, I obviously use that subreddit so I am strongly inclined to the fame culture explanation.

What say ye, NSG? Why do people have dashcams? And if you have a dashcam, why'd you get it?


And, yes, I did say "automated". Take it up in a different thread, This one is about dashcams.
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Dec 11, 2024 12:08 pm

RE your poll: #2 (obvious) and #5 (just in case there are any other law-breakers on the roads who need to be called out).

I'd say everyone on NS is horse famous, to an extent - certainly if you have an authorship badge or people from outside your region/community/friend-circle/favourite-subforum have ever talked about you on the forums. Max Barry is the only truly famous person on this site, and perhaps not even him. (Maybe you could make an argument for the good old days when then-VP Joe Biden was allegedly an NSGer, but then he had long left the site by the time I joined in the glorious summer of 2016.)
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Dec 11, 2024 12:08 pm

I got a dashcam due to the rife insurance fraud in my area or in the case of providing proof that the accident wasn't my fault.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 11, 2024 1:08 pm

The folks i know with dashcams say they got them for protection vs fraud.

The newer subarus store video from 30 seconds before a crash
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

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I could become horse famous if I was a cooler neightion
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Postby The North Polish Union » Wed Dec 11, 2024 1:36 pm

It has been a while (>10 years) since I watched dashcam videos with any sort of regularity, but back then Russian drivers were the most common to be found online. I may be misremembering slightly but at one time the Russian government either mandated or heavily encouraged dashcam use. Russia also has the 'advantage' of extreme winter weather and poorly-maintained roads to create a perfect environment for driving accidents.

Within the EU dashcams are mush less common as their use has been heavily restricted in the German-speaking countries due to privacy concerns, essentially the same reason Germany had for a long time minimal Google Street View coverage. This has created an effect throughout the rest of the EU where dashcams are less common because if you enter Germany/Austria/Switzerland you don't want to get in trouble.

On Reddit particularly I suspect there is a strong self-selection principle that leads to a disproportionate number of videos from the US; as the website (and the sub you mentioned) is heavily English-speaking. This creates an element where videos will be posted by English-speakers, broadly meaning North America, Oceania, and Europe. Since in Europe (other than Russia) dashcams are less common the video locations will trend heavily towards North America due to population factors alone.
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Postby Forsher » Wed Dec 11, 2024 2:56 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:On Reddit particularly I suspect there is a strong self-selection principle that leads to a disproportionate number of videos from the US; as the website (and the sub you mentioned) is heavily English-speaking. This creates an element where videos will be posted by English-speakers, broadly meaning North America, Oceania, and Europe. Since in Europe (other than Russia) dashcams are less common the video locations will trend heavily towards North America due to population factors alone.


Reddit is, I believe, something like 50% American. That sub must be 80%+ American.

Strangely it's basically the only place I go online with a prominent Canadian presence. It feels like most of the rest are Canadian.
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Postby Fungi » Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:00 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:The folks i know with dashcams say they got them for protection vs fraud.

The newer subarus store video from 30 seconds before a crash

From what camera? Do you have a link where I can learn more?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:11 pm

Fungi wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The folks i know with dashcams say they got them for protection vs fraud.

The newer subarus store video from 30 seconds before a crash

From what camera? Do you have a link where I can learn more?


The adaptive cruise control and predictive braking use regular cameras.

https://www.cars.com/articles/subaru-fo ... s%20record
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

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Postby EcoWondra » Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:21 pm

Forsher wrote:Every now and again you hear about some random person who does some random thing and for either random or obvious reasons, ends up (typically, briefly) famous. Two prominent examples from this year are the on going Ally Louks saga and Hawk Tuah Girl. To my understanding, Louks achieved viral fame solely from her own posts on Twitter while Hawk Tuah Girl was in someone else's video. I'm sure you can think of many other examples. I can think of others, too, just too vaguely for you to be able to look them up. Wait, Leave Britney Alone. Probably one of the OG examples.

I'm calling this fame culture.

Glad someone has finally coined a phrase for this, we need more incisive cultural critiques like this and terms to describe them, and obviously horse famous, celebrity culture, virality, etc. weren't doing that job, so thank goodness you came up with something new and needed.

Forsher wrote:In the argument for "dashcams are the product of an overly litigious culture gradually eroding every inch of humanity in a self-absorbed stupor having reached the point where you need a dashcam as well as a fully-automated carbine rifle to protect yourself". The basic idea here is that in America, everyone is always looking to sue you and if you don't have video evidence, you're gonna get screwed. Indeed, well over half of the videos on the subreddit are from the US, which would suggest either Americans are particularly hopped up on fame culture or the only way to stop a bad guy with a car is a good guy with a dashcam.

For my part, I think I find the litigation point more compelling but, at the same time, I obviously use that subreddit so I am strongly inclined to the fame culture explanation.

What say ye, NSG? Why do people have dashcams? And if you have a dashcam, why'd you get it?

I believe they're big in Russia too-- the litigiousness is a factor, but so is the fundamental unsafeness of auto transport. With dashcams, I'd say the horse famous thing is less about people's desire to star in something and become a viral celebrity themselves-- that's what social media, ring lamp setups, GoPros, etc. are for-- and more about both a desire to protect oneself and an appetite for what I can only describe as gore content. The best-performing dashcam content are videos of spectacular crashes or insane behavior, and then content aggregators trying to get famous collate and repost the greatest hits, usually without attribution. It's not quite the same flavor of fame as Twitter celebrities or Hawk Tuah-type viral video stars who pivot to podcasting, it's more about creating pages full of obscene/graphic/shocking content that generate clicks and profit while allowing the people running the content mills to remain relatively anonymous (but that's usually not individual dashcam owners themselves; most people only actually directly produce one or two high-engagement videos themselves, because most people are not in crazy car crashes all the time). See also: drone footage from the Ukraine war. The people who post and profit from the content are generally one or two steps removed from the people filming it, who have their own self-interested reasons for actually taking the footage.
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Ethel mermania wrote:
Fungi wrote:From what camera? Do you have a link where I can learn more?


The adaptive cruise control and predictive braking use regular cameras.

https://www.cars.com/articles/subaru-fo ... s%20record

I daily a Subaru, so does most of my family, this is interesting! Thank you for sharing.
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Postby Forsher » Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:18 pm

EcoWondra wrote:
Forsher wrote:Every now and again you hear about some random person who does some random thing and for either random or obvious reasons, ends up (typically, briefly) famous. Two prominent examples from this year are the on going Ally Louks saga and Hawk Tuah Girl. To my understanding, Louks achieved viral fame solely from her own posts on Twitter while Hawk Tuah Girl was in someone else's video. I'm sure you can think of many other examples. I can think of others, too, just too vaguely for you to be able to look them up. Wait, Leave Britney Alone. Probably one of the OG examples.

I'm calling this fame culture.

Glad someone has finally coined a phrase for this, we need more incisive cultural critiques like this and terms to describe them, and obviously horse famous, celebrity culture, virality, etc. weren't doing that job, so thank goodness you came up with something new and needed.


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EcoWondra wrote:I believe they're big in Russia too-- the litigiousness is a factor, but so is the fundamental unsafeness of auto transport. With dashcams, I'd say the horse famous thing is less about people's desire to star in something and become a viral celebrity themselves-- that's what social media, ring lamp setups, GoPros, etc. are for-- and more about both a desire to protect oneself and an appetite for what I can only describe as gore content. The best-performing dashcam content are videos of spectacular crashes or insane behavior, and then content aggregators trying to get famous collate and repost the greatest hits, usually without attribution. It's not quite the same flavor of fame as Twitter celebrities or Hawk Tuah-type viral video stars who pivot to podcasting, it's more about creating pages full of obscene/graphic/shocking content that generate clicks and profit while allowing the people running the content mills to remain relatively anonymous (but that's usually not individual dashcam owners themselves; most people only actually directly produce one or two high-engagement videos themselves, because most people are not in crazy car crashes all the time). See also: drone footage from the Ukraine war. The people who post and profit from the content are generally one or two steps removed from the people filming it, who have their own self-interested reasons for actually taking the footage.


I've definitely seen videos from Russia but I mostly encounter these on Idiots in Cars which, as I say, is very American (is Reddit banned in Russia? doesn't look like it? not sure?).

I suspect that you're probably right that dashcam footage isn't really a clear avenue to fame or even horse fame, but at the same time I also wouldn't have said posting a picture of a thesis to Twitter would be and that's happened. It's like Lotto. It could be you/
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