Romania’s Election Annulled

[United Disney States]

So I don’t live in Europe. I live in the US. But out of huge curiosity. I learned that Romania’s elections were annulled due to Russian interference. Another note to add is that the leading candidate was reported to have gotten 1 million dollars in illegal funds. Was this a good move by the Supreme Court who made the decision? Was it democratic?

Just another interesting thing of world events to add on to the list.

[Tiami]

For viewing pleasure in regards to Romania's annulled elections.

With everything else going on, this news likely won't garner much in the way of interest amongst other parts of the world. I can only hope this issue with the elections is rectified.

That being said, what do you think, OP?

[Bogmarsh in the mud]

Funds campaign, denies funding campaign.

Maybe he speaks truth. Rerun and watch closely what campaign - if any - emerges.

[Major-Tom]

They really should never have let Romania into the EU lmao - what were they thinking. It's a bloated oligarchy cosplaying as a country.

[New haven america]

Already posted in another thread:

Well yeah, cause Russia's leading a cyberwar against the West that Western nations don't know how to deal with, and open and free press allows for greater misinformation tactics than state controlled media that Russia has.

Quite frankly, if any leadership has ties to Russia (Trump, The Tories, Georgescu, etc...) they need to be barred from office. They're agents of a foreign adversary waging open war against us.

[Almighty Biden]

The incumbent should declare martial law. I hear that's all the rage these days.

[The Scandoslavic Empire]

Everyone apparently procrastinated their civil crises until the end of 2024, I suppose.
What's next, Hungarian PM controversy?
The Second American Civil War?
Justin Trudeau doing literally anything?
Who knows!

[Bogmarsh in the mud]

Already posted in another thread:

Well yeah, cause Russia's leading a cyberwar against the West that Western nations don't know how to deal with, and open and free press allows for greater misinformation tactics than state controlled media that Russia has.

Quite frankly, if any leadership has ties to Russia (Trump, The Tories, Georgescu, etc...) they need to be barred from office. They're agents of a foreign adversary waging open war against us.

That wont stand unless you/we come around to simply declaring that there is indeed a war in progress, and we should.
Furthermore, the trouble is that the dividing lines run THROUGH parties. Equally true for the Tories as for the SPD in Germany.

Note to self: have somebody check the old American Alien and Sedition Act, as well as the Bri'ish DORA - Defense of the Realm Act, for pointers on how to do this war powers -thingy.

[Punished UMN]

Whether it was the right decision or not can be debated, it's hard to argue it was democratic though, an unelected institution composed of people entirely appointed by parties competing in the election overturned the results because they believed the voters had the wrong motivation, not because anything about the vote itself was irregular or illegitimate. https://x.com/JulianWaller/status/1865170476235927703

[Rusozak]

Whether it was the right decision or not can be debated, it's hard to argue it was democratic though, an unelected institution composed of people entirely appointed by parties competing in the election overturned the results because they believed the voters had the wrong motivation, not because anything about the vote itself was irregular or illegitimate. https://x.com/JulianWaller/status/1865170476235927703

It's not technically undemocratic but foreign actors tricking people into voting against their own interests and to their detriment is a danger to everyone in that country and violates the spirit of what the whole point of democracy is.

[The Galactic Authority of Progress]

This is very sad, Georgescu seemed like the best major presidential candidate any country has had in a while. Of course, I'm not Romanian, but a lot of Romanians obviously agree with me.
Are there any riots or anything like that? It's such a blatant injustice you'd think there'd be a reaction beyond just complaining about it in newspapers or on social media.

[Punished UMN]

Whether it was the right decision or not can be debated, it's hard to argue it was democratic though, an unelected institution composed of people entirely appointed by parties competing in the election overturned the results because they believed the voters had the wrong motivation, not because anything about the vote itself was irregular or illegitimate. https://x.com/JulianWaller/status/1865170476235927703

It's not technically undemocratic but foreign actors tricking people into voting against their own interests and to their detriment is a danger to everyone in that country and violates the spirit of what the whole point of democracy is.

I think it's hard to talk about the spirit of democracy when what you're saying is that the ruling coalition should be able to decide what the interests of the voters is and nullify the choice made by voters because it doesn't like where they got their information from.

[Bogmarsh in the mud]

Whether it was the right decision or not can be debated, it's hard to argue it was democratic though, an unelected institution composed of people entirely appointed by parties competing in the election overturned the results because they believed the voters had the wrong motivation, not because anything about the vote itself was irregular or illegitimate. https://x.com/JulianWaller/status/1865170476235927703

it is called the rule of law, and for the last several thousand years, most democracies have insisted om having such a thing.
Nobody elects Scandinavian Lawspeakers, but no one wants a system without them.

[Liberal Malaysia]

This thread should be merged with the Distruzio one. Cross-posting my response here:

"When we win, it's democracy. When they win, it's populism."

By this logic, the results of the 2020 U.S. presidential election should've been overturned because Joe Biden received preferential treatment from legacy media and social media platforms, including the suppression of a certain laptop story, as the X Files have made clear. It reminds me of how the Biden administration and the "liberal" Democratic establishment have behaved toward Donald Trump while letting their own (Hunter Biden) off the hook entirely.

As much as I dislike the pro-Russian candidate, this is wrong and this will backfire horribly for the Romanian Left. This is a blatant assault on democracy.

[Punished UMN]

Whether it was the right decision or not can be debated, it's hard to argue it was democratic though, an unelected institution composed of people entirely appointed by parties competing in the election overturned the results because they believed the voters had the wrong motivation, not because anything about the vote itself was irregular or illegitimate. https://x.com/JulianWaller/status/1865170476235927703

it is called the rule of law, and for the last several thousand years, most democracies have insisted om having such a thing.
Nobody elects Scandinavian Lawspeakers, but no one wants a system without them.

And what law was broken in the result of the election? There was no fraud, the people just voted in a way the court (appointed by the ruling parties that lost this election in the first round quite dramatically) didn't like.

[Slembana]

Good. He was an awful candidate.

[Floofybit]

They really should never have let Romania into the EU lmao - what were they thinking. It's a bloated oligarchy cosplaying as a country.

Gotta get their lettuce somehow

[The Zumal Gang]

Literally insane. Democracy is when you line up with US interests, and if you vote someone in who doesn't, then it's not democracy and doesn't count.

[Unogonduria]

NOOOOOOOOOOO I wanted chaos

[Ifreann]

Have they considered declaring martial law?

[Unogonduria]

They really should never have let Romania into the EU lmao - what were they thinking. It's a bloated oligarchy cosplaying as a country.

YOU THINK ROMANIA IS BAD?!?!?!?! Have ya ever heard of Bulgaria

[Rusozak]

It's not technically undemocratic but foreign actors tricking people into voting against their own interests and to their detriment is a danger to everyone in that country and violates the spirit of what the whole point of democracy is.

I think it's hard to talk about the spirit of democracy when what you're saying is that the ruling coalition should be able to decide what the interests of the voters is and nullify the choice made by voters because it doesn't like where they got their information from.

What are we to do then, let Russia buy every election? "5th columnists are stripping away our freedoms but at least we can say we lost with dignity and peacefully transitioned with the collaborators."

[Haganham]

No. Between Ukraine. Germany and Romania it's getting harder to pretend this is about democracy.

[Sowonumji]

If the annulment is carried out by a judicial institution, I think that is a democratic thing. Unless the cancellation is carried out unilaterally by the election board without any investigation process. So now what we should be paying attention to is how the judicial process is carried out, whether it is carried out fairly or whether there is intervention from interested parties.

Sorry for bad english...

[Qaumodeen]

Already posted in another thread:

Well yeah, cause Russia's leading a cyberwar against the West that Western nations don't know how to deal with, and open and free press allows for greater misinformation tactics than state controlled media that Russia has.

Quite frankly, if any leadership has ties to Russia (Trump, The Tories, Georgescu, etc...) they need to be barred from office. They're agents of a foreign adversary waging open war against us.

Most mainstream Western politicians are Zionists who are wanting permanent war in the Middle East and you're worried about Russia?