France Prime Minister ousted in Vote of No Confidence

[Polytheist Pagan]

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2024 ... approaches

French Prime Minister Michel Barnier -- who was appointed by Macron in a Minority Government -- just lost in a Vote of No Confidence after trying to force through the budget, which was opposed by both the left and right. In order to block the budget, both sides put forward Motions of No Confidence. The first passed, with no need for the second to be heard. This is the first time a Government has been ousted through a Vote of No Confidence since 1962 (when Georges Pompidou lost in a Vote of No Confidence under the Presidency of Charles de Gaulle) and is would likely be the Shortest serving PM in French History. The last time this happened, the National Assembly was dissolved and new elections were held. However, because Macron dissolved Parliament earlier, which lead to this situation, the earliest that new elections can occur is next summer.

Personally, it is clear that Macron has invited this onto himself. When the left won a majority in the National Assembly, he should have appointed a PM from the left -- which is what has happened when similar results occurred under prior Presidents. Had Macron actually followed precedent, then the situation in France would likely be better (at least politically).

[Ariddia]

Personally, it is clear that Macron has invited this onto himself. When the left won a majority in the National Assembly, he should have appointed a PM from the left -- which is what has happened when similar results occurred under prior Presidents. Had Macron actually followed precedent, then the situation in France would likely be better (at least politically).

In fairness to Macron (and I say this a French leftist who really doesn't like him), if he'd appointed a PM from the left, the government would have been brought down by a vote of no confidence even faster.

There seems to be no possible government able to have the support of a majority in the National Assembly. So we're likely to see seven more months of chaos, and then early elections.

It is, however, his fault for having called elections last July. Why he did so remains a mystery. I can only imagine two possibilities.

Either he was deluded and disconnected enough to think he could actually win them.

Or he thought the far right would win, he would appoint a far-right PM, and the far right would discredit itself in office between now and 2027, ensuring it wouldn't win the next presidential election. If that was his gambit, it was not only deluded but morally culpable.

[Askio]

France should switch to a parliamentary system - instead of the president appointing governments, whichever coalition of parties that manages to get more than 50% of the votes in the chamber should set up the government, because such a government can function normally (i.e. pass budgets and laws) - minority governments, especially when appointed from outside are more often than not a recipe for disaster.

With that said, I think the budget was kinda good ngl - Barnier wanted to close the budget deficit and enact a lot of unpopular but necessary policies - though Barnier will never be as good of a technocrat as Draghi was

[Ifreann]

Macron should try declaring martial law, I hear that's a popular move for presidents lately.

[Askio]

In my opinion the centre parties should form a coalition with the left-wing parties, because that's what the majority wanted in the elections - but alas France doesn't have the parliamentary culture necessary for that

[Bilancorn]

In my opinion the centre parties should form a coalition with the left-wing parties, because that's what the majority wanted in the elections - but alas France doesn't have the parliamentary culture necessary for that

I think right now the major difference between parties is if they are pro-EU or Anti-EU... We all know Le Pen's views on Europe, so... Yeah, I agree.

[Ariddia]

In my opinion the centre parties should form a coalition with the left-wing parties, because that's what the majority wanted in the elections - but alas France doesn't have the parliamentary culture necessary for that

That pretty much sums it up yes.

Olivier Faure, the leader of the centre-left PS, is asking for a government of the left with a confidence and supply agreement with the centrists.

He's not likely to get it, though. The centrist / centre-right parties may be able to tolerate the PS but won't allow more radical left-wing parties anywhere near government.

[Phoeniae]

In my opinion the centre parties should form a coalition with the left-wing parties, because that's what the majority wanted in the elections - but alas France doesn't have the parliamentary culture necessary for that

That pretty much sums it up yes.

Olivier Faure, the leader of the centre-left PS, is asking for a government of the left with a confidence and supply agreement with the centrists.

He's not likely to get it, though. The centrist / centre-right parties may be able to tolerate the PS but won't allow more radical left-wing parties anywhere near government.

I also share askio_ petition, for sure. also, I never thought ariddia_ to be french, I mind read some of him in british page with some accuracy. not necessarly to be congressman faure, still the essence is there.

the “parliamentary culture” could also be debated, coalition can be done nonetheless, presidentialism is also whataboutism argument, the way anglo-saxons would say.

center to center left can surely pass: see italy. I do not dare for claim to be as more acknowledged than a french, surely the opposite is true. however, trust this take.

[The Archregimancy]

Olivier Faure, the leader of the centre-left PS, is asking for a government of the left with a confidence and supply agreement with the centrists.

That strikes me as near-suicidal as a political manoeuvre; indeed, it would surely inevitably lead to Fauré's requiem.


(sorry)

[San Lumen]

so what happens now? a new election?

[EcoWondra]

“Another French government has collapsed”
Live burger reaction:

so what happens now? a new election?

That place has some serious problems and some very crazy people all clamoring to make them worse, no wonder it feels like a home away from home to so many Americans.

[Ethel mermania]

Personally, it is clear that Macron has invited this onto himself. When the left won a majority in the National Assembly, he should have appointed a PM from the left -- which is what has happened when similar results occurred under prior Presidents. Had Macron actually followed precedent, then the situation in France would likely be better (at least politically).

In fairness to Macron (and I say this a French leftist who really doesn't like him), if he'd appointed a PM from the left, the government would have been brought down by a vote of no confidence even faster.

There seems to be no possible government able to have the support of a majority in the National Assembly. So we're likely to see seven more months of chaos, and then early elections.

It is, however, his fault for having called elections last July. Why he did so remains a mystery. I can only imagine two possibilities.

Either he was deluded and disconnected enough to think he could actually win them.

Or he thought the far right would win, he would appoint a far-right PM, and the far right would discredit itself in office between now and 2027, ensuring it wouldn't win the next presidential election. If that was his gambit, it was not only deluded but morally culpable.

Not sure why morally culpable, but I believe that was the plan.

[Polytheist Pagan]

so what happens now? a new election?

New Elections can not happen until June or July next year.

So really, we wait for Macron to appoint a new PM ig.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Perhaps Macron should consider declaring martial law.

[Deblar]

truly the france moment of all time

[Corrian]

Can the world calm down for 5 minutes?

[Nu Elysium]

Nothing ever happens. In fact, I bet one of my legendary cards on it.

[Ariddia]

Olivier Faure, the leader of the centre-left PS, is asking for a government of the left with a confidence and supply agreement with the centrists.

That strikes me as near-suicidal as a political manoeuvre; indeed, it would surely inevitably lead to Fauré's requiem.


(sorry)

Well played. It's true, and hadn't occurred to me.

It is, however, his fault for having called elections last July. Why he did so remains a mystery. I can only imagine two possibilities.

Either he was deluded and disconnected enough to think he could actually win them.

Or he thought the far right would win, he would appoint a far-right PM, and the far right would discredit itself in office between now and 2027, ensuring it wouldn't win the next presidential election. If that was his gambit, it was not only deluded but morally culpable.

Not sure why morally culpable, but I believe that was the plan.

Morally culpable because one should not deliberately hand over power to the far right, for obvious moral reasons.

[Floofybit]

I appreciate the president is named after one of their best desserts.

[Ethel mermania]

I appreciate the president is named after one of their best desserts.

The napoleon is a much better dessert. It is richer, creamer. ..

[Ethel mermania]

That strikes me as near-suicidal as a political manoeuvre; indeed, it would surely inevitably lead to Fauré's requiem.


(sorry)

Well played. It's true, and hadn't occurred to me.

Not sure why morally culpable, but I believe that was the plan.

Morally culpable because one should not deliberately hand over power to the far right, for obvious moral reasons.

If the will of the people is far right, it would be immoral not to turn over power.

In his calculus, while he still has some ability to moderate their extremism. And to show the people their inability to lead. As opposed to them sweeping in for a full presidential term, and doing what they want unfettered by reason. It is a mitigation strategy.

[Slembana]

Good. Barnier was an incredibly popular choice chosen from the party that got the fewest amount of seats.

[Bogmarsh in the mud]

Now we patiently wait for the fascists and the marxists to come to an agreement,


Let those who are not irrevocably committed to Centrism suffer the consequences of their choices, offer them absolutely no assistance to keep body and soul together.

[Kreigsreich of Iron]

Let those who are not irrevocably committed to Centrism suffer the consequences of their choices, offer them absolutely no assistance to keep body and soul together.

If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
Centrism helps absolutely nobody and is the exclusive purview of fence-sitters.

[Risottia]

Gaullist being ousted? Yay.
This is going to lead to further gains for Le Pen, as the Barnier cabinet was the "genius" brainchild of the Élysée, though. The next presidential elections are going to be a bloody mess.