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Postby Mens Peninsula » Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:32 am

Lonely virgin communities are a feature, not a bug, of the internet. While most incels speak English (regardless of whether it is or not their mother language,) there's an interesting subculture in other languages.
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This is an interesting case, as (at least according to mainstream media,) there are quite a lot of females in the German incelosphere. More interestingly though is the fact that despite being incels they have feminist, woke tendencies. An example of an incel community in Germany is Aybees, which at a simple glance just seems like a milder version of 4chan's r9k but nowadays is being influenced by the mainstream, seeing feminist sexologists and NGOs using this forum to expand their agenda.

Another German website is Kohlchan, which is the birthplace of Wojaks and Polandball. Kohlchan is the one that brought the actual, Anglic, incel culture to the German incelosphere. But, since many young men in Germany know English, there seems to be a trend to migrate to English forums.
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The Italophone is interesting in the fact that they have their term, 'brutto', to designate italiancels. They went as far as making their own equivalent of Chad, Tommy, (though there is an argument to be had if the more correct term is Giggino, which seems to have more history in the forums.)

Italiancels tend to believe their country is the worst off regarding incelibacy, with females in the boot being extremely selective and narcissists. But literally every incel says this about their home country, so it's hard to take them seriously on that.

Italy is also the first country to have a premium incel website, Forum Dei Brutti, which charges 5 euros for a lifetime subscription. This I expect not to become popular. Many incels can't afford to pay for this, many incels get blackpilled by lurking, and many incels enter the forums on secret to avoid their parents knowing about them getting blackpilled. Making a paid website is against the blackpill's doctrine. Il forum degli incel seems to be a free alternative.

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It's well known that Russia's incel community is fairly bigger than people give it credit for, and before the 2010s it was a completely separate thing from the English incelosphere. Communities such as 2ch's /rf and /sex helped spread the blackpill in the biggest country of Europe and made their incel glossary, including Hikki as a synonym for incel and Alfach/Ivan as a synonym for Chad. I wasn't able to find any Russian incel websites.

My Opinion

We, the Spanish incelosphere, are underdeveloped compared to the rest of the world. Even I began knowing about this community from Reddit. We have let the females lobby for terms such as "femicide" to be not only accepted but dogmatically a "problem", which only means that the death of a women is more grievous than that of a man, hence implying the life of a woman is more valuable than that of a man.

The closest we got to a Hispanic thriving incel community was Hispachan but it never took off and became more of an alt-right thing. We also had a bunch of incels in Taringa! but they seemingly faded away after the website's closure.

I am quite nostalgic for proper adaptations of terms from the incelosphere, but examples such as Germany's show that we ought to unify the incel community under the English guide. And if it means just using terms such as "Chad" and "Incel" despite incel communities having their own, in order to appeal to the masses, then I guess it's a worthy sacrifice.

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Postby DashOfCarolinian » Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:37 am

I don't exactly understand incelhood being a community. Then again, I'm aroace, so who am I to speak.
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Postby Mens Peninsula » Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:39 am

DashOfCarolinian wrote:I don't exactly understand incelhood being a community. Then again, I'm aroace, so who am I to speak.
Though it began as a community, the term incel is bigger than us now. Many want to use it as an insult, but that just proves the literal point of the incel community.

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Postby Cyptopir » Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:41 am

Gatekeeping inceldom now, are we?

Incel just means Involuntary Celibacy. Anyone who is unable to get a date but wants to is, by definition, an incel.
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Postby Mens Peninsula » Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:42 am

Cyptopir wrote:Gatekeeping inceldom now, are we?

Incel just means Involuntary Celibacy. Anyone who is unable to get a date but wants to is, by definition, an incel.
That's true, but we cannot deny we also have a community with beliefs and a culture. Those values must not be lost.

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Postby Cyptopir » Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:45 am

Mens Peninsula wrote:
Cyptopir wrote:Gatekeeping inceldom now, are we?

Incel just means Involuntary Celibacy. Anyone who is unable to get a date but wants to is, by definition, an incel.
That's true, but we cannot deny we also have a community with beliefs and a culture. Those values must not be lost.

Those values being sexism, racism, sometimes fascism and pretty much every other terrible -ism in the world?
I think you can go without those "values".
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Postby Mens Peninsula » Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:47 am

Cyptopir wrote:
Mens Peninsula wrote:That's true, but we cannot deny we also have a community with beliefs and a culture. Those values must not be lost.

I think you can go without those "values".
Inceldom and the blackpill are deeply related. To try to separate them is innocent or ill-intended. But regardless, the blackpill is the logical conclusion of having lived the incel experience, anyone who is an incel and has heard about the blackpill will understand, deep inside at least, that it's true.
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Postby Varsemia » Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:51 am

Mens Peninsula wrote:
Cyptopir wrote:Gatekeeping inceldom now, are we?

Incel just means Involuntary Celibacy. Anyone who is unable to get a date but wants to is, by definition, an incel.
That's true, but we cannot deny we also have a community with beliefs and a culture. Those values must not be lost.

I've heard many incels tend to be quite sexist. So pardon my curiosity, but what "values" are you referring to exactly?
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Postby Mens Peninsula » Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:52 am

Varsemia wrote:
Mens Peninsula wrote:That's true, but we cannot deny we also have a community with beliefs and a culture. Those values must not be lost.

I've heard many incels tend to be quite sexist. So pardon my curiosity, but what values are you referring to exactly?
The value I'm referring to is the Blackpill. You may look it up in the incel wiki for yourself.

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Postby Cyptopir » Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:53 am

Mens Peninsula wrote:
Cyptopir wrote:I think you can go without those "values".
Inceldom and the blackpill are deeply related. To try to separate them is innocent or ill-intended. But regardless, the blackpill is the logical conclusion of having lived the incel experience, anyone who is an incel and has heard about the blackpill will understand, deep inside at least, that it's true.

If we're going by the involuntary celibate definition which you agreed to, then no. They're not really related.

There are plenty of incels who just don't go on the internet, and even if they do they probably won't end up in the dirty corners of the internet like 4chan.
You're taking a widespread label, incel, and trying to narrow the definition of it down to just your blackpill friends. Just get a different label. You're not representing all incels.

Also no the blackpill is a bunch of nonsense. The world doesn't entirely revolve around looks or ability. Rich and successful people aren't rich and successful because they look good, they look good because they're rich and successful. They can afford plastic surgery, veneers, etc.
Edit: I'm not even going to get into the whole misogynistic belief in blackpill ideology that women rule the world or some such. That's bullshit and everyone knows it.
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Postby Mens Peninsula » Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:58 am

Cyptopir wrote:There are plenty of incels who just don't go on the internet, and even if they do they probably won't end up in the dirty corners of the internet like 4chan.
I've explicitly said that any incel that has heard of the blackpill, will be blackpilled.

You're taking a widespread label, incel, and trying to narrow the definition of it down to just your blackpill friends. Just get a different label. You're not representing all incels.
The label is ours, we made it on the original Invcel forum. Which was the birthplace of the incel community.

Also no the blackpill is a bunch of nonsense. The world doesn't entirely revolve around looks or ability.
That's something that hasn't had to worry about looks or ability would say.

Rich and successful people aren't rich and successful because they look good, they look good because they're rich and successful. They can afford plastic surgery, veneers, etc.
Rich and successful people are exempt because money is everything. But if you are a middle/low class person, trust me, looks are EVERYTHING, you can get or lose a job due to your looks, you can die a virgin or be a gigachad due to your looks, in specific situations, your looks mean life or death. Heard about the halo effect and the Just-world hypothesis?

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Postby Cyptopir » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:07 am

Mens Peninsula wrote:That's something that hasn't had to worry about looks or ability would say.

I am not good looking. I have never had a date. I am not rich. I don't have any irl friends. Yet I would still like to get into a relationship someday. By definition, that makes me an incel, right? I've heard of the blackpill, yet I'm not magically a misogynist dingleberry who despises anyone more successful than me. I've never lost a job or gotten in a negative situation because of looks. I wonder why that is.
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Postby Varsemia » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:07 am

Mens Peninsula wrote:
Varsemia wrote:I've heard many incels tend to be quite sexist. So pardon my curiosity, but what values are you referring to exactly?
The value I'm referring to is the Blackpill. You may look it up in the incel wiki for yourself.

Imma be honest, this whole "Redpill", "Blackpill", [Colour]pill stuff just sounds like a modern version of Astrology. Except instead of being believed by teenage girls, it's believed by lonely adult men.
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Postby The Marineri Islands » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:14 am

Look, I'm not here to say that people cannot or should not form community with whomever they please. In many countries around the world, the right to free association is enshrined in law.
That said, it saddens me that the main shared trait of such a large group of people seems to be built around disliking/hating/being obsessed with women and/or sex. Oh well, as long as people in this community don't become radicalised and hurt their fellow human beings in real li- Oh. :(

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Postby Azurnailia » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:16 am

Cyptopir wrote:Gatekeeping inceldom now, are we?

Incel just means Involuntary Celibacy. Anyone who is unable to get a date but wants to is, by definition, an incel.

Wait so me who has social anxiety would count as an incel?
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Postby Mens Peninsula » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:23 am

Cyptopir wrote:
Mens Peninsula wrote:That's something that hasn't had to worry about looks or ability would say.

I am not good looking. I have never had a date. I am not rich. I don't have any irl friends. Yet I would still like to get into a relationship someday. By definition, that makes me an incel, right? I've heard of the blackpill, yet I'm not [blackpilled].
Give time to time, later or sooner, the blackpill comes to collect. You will either get laid or become blackpilled, remember this.

I've never lost a job or gotten in a negative situation because of looks
You likely won't lose a job for being ugly, but you will lose your job easier and be less likely to be given it in the first place.

Varsemia wrote:Imma be honest, this whole "Redpill", "Blackpill", [Colour]pill stuff just sounds like a modern version of Astrology. Except instead of being believed by teenage girls, it's believed by lonely adult men.
No, it isn't. Adopting a pill implies a set of beliefs, it's not as arbitrary as the month you were born

The Marineri Islands wrote:It saddens me that the main shared trait of such a large group of people seems to be built around disliking/hating/being obsessed with women and/or sex.
Well, everything happens for a motive, right?

Oh well, as long as people in this community don't become radicalised and hurt their fellow human beings in real li- Oh. :(
More people have died due to radical Islam and you don't see people calling for Islam to be banned. The radicalization of the incel community is owed to companies forcing us into the deeper corners of the internet. Imagine communism is suddenly banned from all media, do you think communist would take kindly to it?

Azurnailia wrote:Wait so me who has social anxiety would count as an incel?
(This is a genuine question)
If you haven't had sexual intercourse despite wanting to, yes. Even more if you haven't had a relationship with a woman.
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:24 am

Azurnailia wrote:
Cyptopir wrote:Gatekeeping inceldom now, are we?

Incel just means Involuntary Celibacy. Anyone who is unable to get a date but wants to is, by definition, an incel.

Wait so me who has social anxiety would count as an incel?
(This is a genuine question)


By this definition, large portions of the population have been incels at some point. I'm going to guess that most people who try to date, especially in the younger crowd, will have periods where they can't find anyone.

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Postby EcoWondra » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:25 am

Stop posting about how sad and ugly and unfuckable you are and start going to strip clubs or the gym or something normal, Jesus fucking Christ. Western society has plenty of ways for ugly people to make something of their lives and get laid, but not if you just spend all your time wallowing in self-pity and letting your body disintegrate into a flabby mass of microplastic-riddled gristle. Blaming everyone else for your being unfuckable is not a solution to the problem of being unfuckable; reform yourselves until you’re worth taking an interest in.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I really hope this site doesn’t start welcoming incels. Especially not those who are violent or spouting hate.

I think the horse left the barn some years ago on this one
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I really hope this site doesn’t start welcoming incels. Especially not those who are violent or spouting hate.
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Postby Cyptopir » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:25 am

Mens Peninsula wrote:
Cyptopir wrote:I am not good looking. I have never had a date. I am not rich. I don't have any irl friends. Yet I would still like to get into a relationship someday. By definition, that makes me an incel, right? I've heard of the blackpill, yet I'm not [blackpilled].
Give time to time, later or sooner, the blackpill comes to collect. You will either get laid or become blackpilled, remember this.

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Postby Nu Elysium » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:29 am

Mens Peninsula wrote:Give time to time, later or sooner, the blackpill comes to collect. You will either get laid or become blackpilled, remember this.

One of the most laughably ridiculous things I've had the displeasure of reading in a while.
Varsemia wrote:Imma be honest, this whole "Redpill", "Blackpill", [Colour]pill stuff just sounds like a modern version of Astrology. Except instead of being believed by teenage girls, it's believed by lonely adult men.
No, it isn't. Adopting a pill implies a set of beliefs, it's not as arbitrary as the month you were born[/quote]
it is, though. [color]-pills are on the same level as healing crystals, astrology, and "alpha," "beta," and 'sigma' males.
The Marineri Islands wrote:It saddens me that the main shared trait of such a large group of people seems to be built around disliking/hating/being obsessed with women and/or sex.
Well, everything happens for a motive, right?[/quote]
no, not getting laid does not mean you have to become sexist, lmao
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Postby Cyptopir » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:32 am

Nu Elysium wrote:it is, though. [color]-pills are on the same level as healing crystals, astrology, and "alpha," "beta," and 'sigma' males.

They believe in that last thing btw. They believe there are inherent "chads" and "mogging" is a serious social thing. It's hilarious when you take a look at it. Like, they actually think this is real?
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Postby Mens Peninsula » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:36 am

Aggicificicerous wrote:By this definition, large portions of the population have been incels at some point. I'm going to guess that most people who try to date, especially in the younger crowd, will have periods where they can't find anyone.
Yes, but being an incel implies the active desire of getting laid and the failure to do so over a period of time. You can be an incel at 14, yes, but it's certainly harder to tell if you will keep being an incel. Regardless, I believe it is better to be blackpilled even if you are a normie, as you understand more about how the world works.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I really hope this site doesn’t start welcoming incels. Especially not those who are violent or spouting hate.
Eh, we are not doing anything wrong. We aren't saying we should kill all women, we are just talking about our experiences with them. And if it sheds a bad light on women, then I don't know what to tell you.

EcoWondra wrote:Stop posting about how sad and ugly and unfuckable you are and start going to strip clubs
You know how much a prostitute costs in Uruguay? Do you think I can buy one with my student economy?

Western society has plenty of ways for ugly people to make something of their lives and get laid
Let me guess, you get laid and were born average or higher in terms of looks, right?

They believe in that last thing btw. They believe there are inherent "chads" and "mogging" is a serious social thing. It's hilarious when you take a look at it. Like, they actually think this is real?
They are, though.

Mogging implies being way more attractive than someone else in your scenario, thus dragging any sort of sexual attraction women could have towards him into yourself.

Chads are just people born with objectively extremely good looks.

Nu Elysium wrote:One of the most laughably ridiculous things I've had the displeasure of reading in a while.
Explain yourself.


it is, though. [color]-pills are on the same level as healing crystals, astrology, and "alpha," "beta," and 'sigma' males.[/quote]Explain yourself.

no, not getting laid does not mean you have to become sexist, lmao
I mean, it doesn't. Certainly it does make see woman in a different, non-woke way, though. Disney is the illness of the west.

ah, you're one of those people. good to know.
[/quote]I don't call for the ban of Islam, but if you applied the same logic to them as you do to us, it should be banned, right? I'm calling your logic unwise.
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Postby Kreigsreich of Iron » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:39 am

Cyptopir wrote:
Nu Elysium wrote:it is, though. [color]-pills are on the same level as healing crystals, astrology, and "alpha," "beta," and 'sigma' males.

They believe in that last thing btw. They believe there are inherent "chads" and "mogging" is a serious social thing. It's hilarious when you take a look at it. Like, they actually think this is real?

Wait, people take that seriously?


New-Smithsonia wrote:I hope and pray for people like[…], kriegsriech of iron, and all the others to get a therapist and lose their evils via talking to someone and conversing about their lives.


NStats are canon.- From the river to the sea, the Jewish people will be free!

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