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[Draft] Plane Crazy

Postby North Helorgeroestarda » Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:29 pm

Looking for feedback and/or suggestions, many thanks.

[title] Plane Crazy

[desc] @@NAME@@ airspace has become a chaotic free-for-all as air traffic control systems are outdated and overwhelmed. Reports include planes narrowly avoiding collisions, communication failures with pilots, and many overworked air traffic controllers quitting their jobs. A viral video of a passenger plane flying through a drone light show has brought this issue to the public eye.

[validity] Not valid in nations that have banned planes

[option] “We’re operating on equipment from last century!” exclaims @@RANDOMNAME@@, head of the National Pilots’ Association. “We need massive funding to modernize our air traffic control systems with AI and satellite tracking. Safety is worth the cost!”
[effect] AI that insists on giving every plane a motivational speech before takeoff.

[option] ”The real problem is overcrowded skies.” argues @@RANDOMNAME@@, a prominent environmentalist. “If we limit flights to essential services and emergencies only, we’ll reduce accidents and save the planet. Do we really need private jet vacations?”
[effect] 'eco-friendly' travel trend of cross-country camel caravans have become increasingly popular.

[option] “Just let the market solve it.” suggests @@RANDOMNAME@@, a diehard entrepreneur. “Sell off Air Traffic Control to private companies, and they’ll innovate faster than the government ever could. Sure, there may be fees, but you get what you pay for.”
[effect] pilots and passengers complain about “pay-to-win airspace.”

[option] "If the skies are unsafe, then let’s make them safe!" declares @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Defense, while dramatically putting on aviator sunglasses. "We can deploy military fighter jets to escort passenger planes through the chaos. It’ll boost national security and make every flight feel like a VIP operation!"
[effect] international travelers flying into @@NAME@@ think they’re in a movie.

[option] ”It’s not the people, it’s the planes!” yells @@RANDOMNAME@@, a conspiracy theorist waving a model airliner. “Ban all planes, and while you're at it, ban all man made moving machines! We don’t need machines spreading noise, pollution, and who knows what else!”
[effect] airports and roads are converted into luxury walking trails.


Second draft, made some edits
[title] Plane Crazy

[desc] @@NAME@@ airspace has become a chaotic free-for-all as air traffic control systems are outdated and overwhelmed. Reports include planes narrowly avoiding collisions, communication failures with pilots, and many overworked air traffic controllers quitting their jobs. A viral video of a passenger plane landing in a field an hour from @@CAPITAL@@ International Airport has brought this issue to the public eye.

[validity] Not valid in nations that have banned planes

[option] “We’re operating on equipment from last century!” exclaims @@RANDOMNAME@@, head of the @@NAMEINITALS@@ATO - the @@NAME@@ Air Traffic Organization. “We need massive funding to modernize our air traffic control systems with AI and satellite tracking. Safety is worth the cost!”
[effect] AI insists on giving every plane a motivational speech before takeoff.

[option] ”The real problem is overcrowded skies.” argues @@RANDOMNAME@@, a prominent environmentalist. “If we limit flights to essential services and emergencies only, we’ll reduce accidents and save the planet. Do you really need to take your private jet to go get groceries?”
[effect] 'eco-friendly' long distance travel trend of cross-country camel caravans have become increasingly popular.

[option] “Just let the market solve it.” suggests @@RANDOMNAME@@, a diehard entrepreneur. “Sell off Air Traffic Control towers to private companies, like the @@MAJORINDUSTRY@@, and they’ll innovate faster than the government ever could. Sure, it may cost you a few extra @@CURRENCY_PLURAL@@, but you get what you pay for.”
[effect] pilots and passengers complain about “pay-to-win airspace.”

[option] "If the skies are unsafe, then let’s make them safe!" declares @@RANDOMNAME@@, your Minister of Defense, while dramatically donning @@HIS@@ aviator sunglasses. "We can deploy military fighter jets to escort passenger planes through the chaos. It’ll boost national security and make every flight feel like a VIP operation!"
[effect] international travelers flying into @@NAME@@ are disappointed when their VIP treatment doesn’t extend to ground travel.

[option] ”It’s not the people, it’s the planes!” yells @@RANDOMNAME@@, a conspiracy theorist sporting a quite fashionable tinfoil hat. “Ban all planes, and while you're at it, ban all man made moving machines! We don’t need machines spreading noise and pollution, or worse, spying on us @@DOMONYM_PLURALNOUN@@!”
[effect] airports and roads are converted into luxury walking trails.



Made some more fixes
[title] Plane Crazy

[desc] @@NAME@@ airspace has become a mass of confusion and delay as air traffic control systems are outdated and overwhelmed. Reports include planes narrowly avoiding collisions, communication failures with pilots, multi-hour long waits for flights, and many overworked air traffic controllers complaining about the workload. A recent video of incoming and departing planes almost colliding after mistakenly being assigned the same runway has brought this issue into the public eye.

[validity] Not valid in nations that have banned planes

[option] “We’re operating on equipment from last century!” exclaims @@RANDOMNAME@@, head of the @@NAMEINITALS@@ATO - the @@NAME@@ Air Traffic Organization. “We need massive funding to modernize our air traffic control systems with AI and satellite tracking. Safety and efficiency is worth the cost!”
[effect] AI insists on giving every plane a motivational speech before takeoff.

[option] ”The real problem is overcrowded skies.” argues @@RANDOMNAME@@, a prominent environmentalist. “If we limit flights to essential services and emergencies only, we’ll reduce employee stress and save the planet. Do you really need to take your private jet to go get groceries?”
[effect] 'eco-friendly' long distance travel trend of cross-country camel caravans have become increasingly popular.

[option] “@@RANDOMFIRSTNAME2@@ is absolutely right, well, partially.” claims @@RANDOMNAME@@, a construction magnate turning your attention to a model of a sprawling airport complex. “Instead of cutting flights, we should build more airports and expand our airspace operations! More airports mean less congestion and less delays, it’s a win-win! Sure, it’ll require more workers, but that’s job creation, isn’t it?”
[effect] airports are being built faster than tourists can book flights.
[option_validty] Invalid for nations with very high employment.

[option] “Just let the market solve it.” suggests @@RANDOMNAME@@, a diehard entrepreneur. “Sell off Air Traffic Control towers to private companies, like the @@MAJORINDUSTRY@@, and they’ll innovate faster than the government ever could. Sure, it may cost you a few extra @@CURRENCY_PLURAL@@, but you get what you pay for.”
[effect] pilots and passengers complain about “pay-to-win airspace.”

[option] ”It’s not the people, it’s the planes!” yells @@RANDOMNAME@@, a conspiracy theorist sporting a quite fashionable tinfoil hat. “Ban all planes, and while you're at it, ban all man made moving machines! We don’t need machines spreading noise and pollution, or worse, spying on us @@DOMONYM_PLURALNOUN@@!”
[effect] airports and roads are converted into luxury walking trails.


4th draft with some more fixes (WIP)
[title] Plane Crazy

[desc] @@NAME@@ airspace has become a mass of confusion and delay as air traffic control systems are outdated and overwhelmed. Reports include planes narrowly avoiding collisions, communication failures with pilots, multi-hour long waits for flights, and many overworked air traffic controllers complaining about the workload. A recent video of incoming and departing planes almost colliding after mistakenly being assigned the same runway has brought this issue into the public eye.

[validity] Not valid in nations that have banned planes

[option] “We’re operating on equipment from last century!” exclaims @@RANDOMNAME@@, head of the @@NAME@@ Air Traffic Organization. “We need massive funding to modernize our air traffic control systems with AI and satellite tracking. Safety and efficiency is worth the cost!”
[effect] AI insists on giving every plane a motivational speech before takeoff.

[option] “The real problem is overcrowded skies.” argues @@RANDOMNAME@@, a prominent environmentalist and socialist advocate. “What if we forcibly lower the demand for air travel by implementing a raffle system? So that if selected, people are eligible for a plane ticket. Doing so will reduce employee stress and cut emissions to save the planet. Yes it may be harder to get a ticket when you want a ticket, but do you really need to take a private jet to go get groceries?”
[effect] there’s a 1 in 7 chance that people actually get a plane ticket.
[option_validty] Socialism required

[option] “The real problem is overcrowded skies.” argues @@RANDOMNAME@@, a prominent environmentalist. “What if we implement an emission tax for plane tickets? At least until the demand for air travel goes down. Doing so will reduce employee stress and cut emissions to save the planet. People may complain about the heightened price, but do you really need to take a private jet to go get groceries?”
[effect] 'eco-friendly' long distance travel trend of cross-country camel caravans have become increasingly popular.
[option_validty] Capitalism required

[option] “The true cause for overcrowded skies is the overcrowded airports.” claims @@RANDOMNAME@@, a construction magnate turning your attention to a model of a sprawling airport complex. “How about Instead of limiting flights or trusting AI to manage our ATC, we expand on our current airports and thus expand our airspace operations! Bigger airports mean less congestion and less delays, it’s a win-win! Sure, it’ll require more people to work, but that’s job creation, isn’t it?”
[effect] airports have more tourist attractions than the cities themselves.
[option_validty] Invalid for nations with very high employment.

[option] “Just let the market solve it.” suggests @@RANDOMNAME@@, a diehard entrepreneur. “Sell off Air Traffic Control towers to private companies, like the @@MAJORINDUSTRY@@. They have more resources and employees so they’ll innovate faster than the government ever could. Sure, those companies may charge the consumer a few extra @@CURRENCY_PLURAL@@ to make a profit, but hey, I’m sure the government could use that bump in funding.”
[effect] pilots and passengers complain about “pay-to-win airspace.”
[option_validty] Capitalism required

[option] ”It’s not the people, it’s the planes!” yells @@RANDOMNAME@@, a conspiracy theorist sporting a quite fashionable tinfoil hat. “Ban all the planes! Everyone knows that the contrails are chemicals used by the government to brainwash their citizens, none of this ‘convenient transportation’ nonsense! Give us our right to autonomy back and stop mind-scrubbing us @@DOMONYM_PLURALNOUN@@!”
[effect] airports are being converted into luxury walking trails.
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Postby North Helorgeroestarda » Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:51 pm

Would @@CURRENCY_PLURAL@@ work or is there a different way of doing so? Or is it even necessary?
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Postby Verdant Haven » Tue Dec 03, 2024 7:24 pm

Part of the premise here, that ATC is outdated and overwhelmed, is extremely realistic. What I'm struggling with is the second part, which seems to suggest that this has led to formerly Class A and B airspace becoming uncontrolled: "a chaotic free-for-all" in the skies. By my understanding, the biggest problem resulting from all our outdated gear tends to be delays, because there's limited capacity to handle flights, and planes can't take off without the go-ahead. I'm not sure how that translates to planes landing in distant fields, or fighter escorts somehow reducing load.

I think there are certainly some big problems that could be looked at here: ATC comms loss due to equipment failure over a broad area or impacting a major airport at rush hour could certainly be a huge issue. Professional pilots can and have managed for brief periods under such conditions, but it's certainly dangerous. Near-misses on the ground, or runway incursions due to overworked ground controllers giving conflicting instructions, also could be a horror. I think the scale of what is happening can be reined back a bit, to be more in line with the actual or predictable consequences of the genuinely-bad scenario, rather than assuming a full reversion to the flight rules of the 1950s.

In re: your question, yes, @@CURRENCY_PLURAL@@ is fine. We'll know what you mean, and can adjust it backstage if needed :-)

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Postby North Helorgeroestarda » Wed Dec 04, 2024 3:35 pm

Thanks for the advice. Looking at it now, it makes more sense for the outdated and overwhelmed ATC to contribute more to ‘chaos’ on the ground more so than the air. I did some work on a third draft that attempts to solve the overwhelmed ATC by focusing on more logical-ish solutions (which I like better anyway) rather than the more “creative” solutions.
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Postby Verdant Haven » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:32 am

- This feels a lot more grounded than before – good shift.

- Option 1: Given that the name of the @@INITIALS@@ATO doesn't come up again, there's no need to both spell out the name and give the acronym. Just the full name should do the trick.

- Option 2: I think the "essential services and emergencies" suggestion is a bit too extreme, as that basically bans all commercial travel, and gets very close to the outcome of the crazy dude in the final option. Since this is an environmentalist speaker, maybe something more like adding an increasing emissions tax to every ticket until demand drops to a manageable level would make more sense? That would be a capitalist option – it could also have a socialist doppelganger made where a raffle or drawing is held for limited "slots" to buy tickets, in order to forcibly lower demand to sustainable levels. Either way, I think this suggestion needs to be a bit more reasonable about the reduction in flight hours, since there's already an unrealistic extremist elsewhere.

- Option 3: I could see this being a partial solution... it does help with ground delays and all that, but I'm concerned that it's not necessarily obvious why this extraordinarily expensive solution would be preferable to Option 1's extraordinarily expensive solution. Basically, both are a "throw money at it!" response, but the former answers the practical problem of people caring where they're going, while the latter still has the problem that nobody wants to fly to an airport that's 3 hours from their destination – they're going to want to get to that final airport no matter how many others are located somewhere in between (it's possible to put multiple airports close to each other around a major city, though that has trade-offs with some parts of the congestion issue: see IAD/DCA, or JFK/LGA/EWR, or even ORD/MDW). I think this probably needs some more clarify about *how* this solution will actually fix the problem.

- Option 4: If you're selling ATC facilities and operations to private companies, why is it going to "cost a few extra" currency? Would this not make money for the government? This could use some explanation of why the speaker things the private companies will be more efficient. This is also a full-on "capitalism required" option.

- Option 5: Ban planes is a classic, and we can keep that around. "All man-made moving machines" is too much. We do not have validities available for that, nor is anybody going to have the time and bandwidth to go through and re-write every issue that mentions a bicycle, roller skates, skateboards, or other machines that move. Getting rid of cars as an addition could be done, if nations haven't already done that (another validity check). While this speaker is a loony, we could still use some more ranting about why they think this is the solution. Expand upon this conspiracy theory!

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Postby North Helorgeroestarda » Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:40 am

It still could use some work but I made changes that focuses more on the ‘why’ for each option. I liked the idea of having an option be different for a country if it has capitalism or socialism. I also changed from building more airports option to expanding upon current ones.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:37 pm

Why would anyone not choose option 1? It's too obvious. Also, option 3 is the same as option 1. Both want to implement new technology into the system, but option 1 wants the government where as option 3 wants the market to do it. The only thing that would prevent the market from implementing new technology would be government regulations, so option 3 is redundant
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For option 2, I would find it funny if the effect line says, "People hope to find golden plane tickets in chocolate bars."
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