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Why can't we make a region according to where the user lives

Postby Anarquia124 » Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:43 am

I think it would be interesting if we created a region where the user can start the game, for example, a Brazilian user entered and registered. There could be a region just for Brazilians But for example, an American logged in, there could be an American-only region for American people and so on. I don't know if that would be too complicated, but I think it would be cool for people That are just starting out on the site, that would be cool and I believe it would also be more organized.

This is just my opinion, I do not intend to launch this proposal if it is not well received by NationStates users.

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Postby Cheblonsk » Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:50 am

That would be interesting, but it would make the current feeders and frontiers irrelevant.

I think this is meant for the technical forum.
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Postby Anarquia124 » Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:57 am

Cheblonsk wrote:That would be interesting, but it would make the current feeders and frontiers irrelevant.

I think this is meant for the technical forum.


Sorry I'm new to the forum issue

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Postby Cerespasia » Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:28 am

Wrong forum.
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Postby North Goofistan » Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:31 am

A good idea, but I think there should be a new part to it, if an American enters NS, then instead of going to one region meant for Americans, they could also be founded in frontiers made by Americans.
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Postby Verdant Haven » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:02 am

Moved to Technical.

There is nothing preventing you from making a region designed for people from a given real-life country, and indeed, there are a fair number of regions that are exactly that.

It sounds like what you're proposing is a system that assigns people a region based on their real-life country, which I feel safe saying isn't going to happen. We're a satirical site about made-up nations and made-up regions. We try to encourage people to form communities based on their own preferences - not our imposed assumptions.

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Postby Valentine Z » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:11 am

The big elephant in the room that is RP Regions as well. Many are not going to want to move away from their RP groups just for this.
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Postby -New Jersey- » Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:31 pm

I think it’d be cool if regions were organized by real life locations, sort of like servers organized by North America, South America, Europe, Africa, and Oceania. That might make it easier to find users with similar time zones and languages.
However, you can always create your own region that’s fitting for your location. That is exactly what I did.

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Postby Anarquia124 » Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:52 pm

Verdant Haven wrote:Moved to Technical.

There is nothing preventing you from making a region designed for people from a given real-life country, and indeed, there are a fair number of regions that are exactly that.

It sounds like what you're proposing is a system that assigns people a region based on their real-life country, which I feel safe saying isn't going to happen. We're a satirical site about made-up nations and made-up regions. We try to encourage people to form communities based on their own preferences - not our imposed assumptions.


I think that when starting, the person could choose a place for their nation to stay, for example, a Brazilian player could enter and choose the country or continent to start with just to familiarize themselves with it.The site and know how it works I believe this could be a disadvantage for the borders but there could be the option of If the person wants, they can choose the region to start with and so on.

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Postby Ioudaia » Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:09 pm

Anarquia124 wrote:There could be a region just for Brazilians But for example, an American logged in, there could be an American-only region for American people and so on.

The majority (overwhelming majority?) of players are from a handful of English-speaking countries: the US, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. A notional US feeder would be packed, and the ones for most countries would be empty or nearly so. Once one understands the real demographics of NS, the idea becomes obviously impractical.

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Postby Estado Novo Portugues » Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:14 pm

1) People travel. What if an American tourist went on vacation in Brazil, as an example? The system would think they were Brazilian and put them in a region where they wouldn't understand a thing, since everybody would be speaking Portuguese rather than English.

2) Not everybody wants to associate with people from their own country ‒ in fact, it could put them and their families in danger. This is particularly the case for LGBT individuals in places where being gay is a crime, or those in totalitarian states who speak out against their governments. The Web is a small world, and while we can take democracy and rule-of-law for granted, not everybody else can. If you're running from Putin and his punks, getting "outed" can mean falling from a window or dying from poison in your tea. A location indicator could be all they need to tip them off.

3) Or perhaps, you're just fed up with hearing about local politics and issues in your own country, and NS is your go-to escape from that so you want nothing to do with the real world.

4) People sometimes use proxies and VPNs, which creates the same problem as 1).
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Postby Anarquia124 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:15 am

Estado Novo Portugues wrote:1) People travel. What if an American tourist went on vacation in Brazil, as an example? The system would think they were Brazilian and put them in a region where they wouldn't understand a thing, since everybody would be speaking Portuguese rather than English.

2) Not everybody wants to associate with people from their own country ‒ in fact, it could put them and their families in danger. This is particularly the case for LGBT individuals in places where being gay is a crime, or those in totalitarian states who speak out against their governments. The Web is a small world, and while we can take democracy and rule-of-law for granted, not everybody else can. If you're running from Putin and his punks, getting "outed" can mean falling from a window or dying from poison in your tea. A location indicator could be all they need to tip them off.

3) Or perhaps, you're just fed up with hearing about local politics and issues in your own country, and NS is your go-to escape from that so you want nothing to do with the real world.

4) People sometimes use proxies and VPNs, which creates the same problem as 1).


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Postby Riemstagrad » Wed Nov 13, 2024 6:32 am

Anarquia124 wrote:
I think that when starting, the person could choose a place for their nation to stay, for example, a Brazilian player could enter and choose the country or continent to start with just to familiarize themselves with it.The site and know how it works I believe this could be a disadvantage for the borders but there could be the option of If the person wants, they can choose the region to start with and so on.


You can. You simply move to a whatever region you prefer.
No need to overhaul the entire concept of spawning or to upset the spawn balance between feeders and frontiers for this.

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Postby Enzonar » Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:15 pm

Guys I just joined ns and my regions name is 75.53895N 53.53357W
I need to make an actual factbook
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Postby Trotterdam » Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:20 pm

Having the game try to automatically determine which country you're from would be a terrible idea because:
1. That's a privacy violation.
2. There isn't actually a foolproof way for the server to determine where you are. It's just not technically possible.
3. People don't necessarily want to hang out only with people from their own country, and interaction and exchange of ideas between people from different cultures is something we should encourage, not discourage.

However, depite the above, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from creating a region themed after a specific real-life nation if you want to, although it's up to individual players if they actually want to move there or not (and you have no way of banning people from different nations from joining, if they really want to for some reason).

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Postby Siluvia » Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:40 pm

I think it’s an interesting idea, but it needs work. Here’s my idea of how this could be implemented:
1. When you create a region, you would be able to designate it as affiliated with a certain real-life country (e.g. Brazil). If the region meets the requirements for being a frontier, then we move on to the next step.
2. When a user creates their nation, they can select a box that says something like “start in a region with other people from my country”. (Country could be determined by geolocation, or maybe the user would just select it from a list.)
3. If the user has selected that box, then they will spawn in any frontier which has selected their country, but not in any other frontier or feeder. So if the user selected Brazil, they will only spawn in a frontier that also selected Brazil. Spawn rates will still be determined by magnetism, the only difference is that non-Brazilian frontiers are excluded from consideration.
4. If no frontiers selected the same country as the user did, then their nation will just spawn in a random frontier or feeder, and possibly receive an error message.
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