by Haganham » Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:16 pm
by Federation of Great Lake States » Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:18 pm
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by Areebistan » Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:26 pm
Haganham wrote:The 13 keys are a predictive model developed by Allan Lichtman and Russian geophysicist Vladimir Keilis-Borok for predicting the results of US presidential elections. Lichtman has been treated as a sort of nostradomus since he has been able to use his model to correctly predicted 9/10 elections. The model assigns 13 "keys" about the economy, political landscape and foreign policy. If 8 keys or more are true, the incumbent party will win; but with six of more false challenging party will win.
Lichtman got a lot of coverage during this election with his prediction, based on this model, that Kamala Harris would with reelection, and, as you may have heard, she lost spectacularly.
Lichtman has been on a cope crusade saying the predicton was good, but the keys assume a rational electorate and blah blah blah. Basically the voter are wrong and dumb and all the ists. Ovbiously that's not great cope, as the point of the keys is to predict who will win, not who should win; and the keys said Kamala would win... didn't they?
Lichtman gave Kamala nine keys: No primary contest, No third party, Strong short-term economy, Strong long-term economy, Major policy change, No social unrest, No scandal, Major foreign or military success, Uncharismatic challenger.
So how did he get it wrong? Are the keys bunk?
Well the key does have some flaws. A lot of them are subjective, and they don't account for a lot of edge cases(is a returning president at the same disadvantage another challenger?). But think the real flaw with Lichtmans prediction is not the keys, but his assignment of them. Lichtman let his personal views of poltics cloud his perception, and as a result he gave Kamala five keys that weren't true.
For reference the keys are.
1 Party mandate After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections.
2 No primary contest There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination.
3 Incumbent seeking re-election The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.
4 No third party There is no significant third party or independent campaign.
5 Strong short-term economy The economy is not in recession during the election campaign.
6 Strong long-term economy Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms.
7 Major policy change The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy.
8 No social unrest There is no sustained social unrest during the term.
9 No scandal The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal.
10 No foreign or military failure The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs.
11 Major foreign or military success The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs.
12 Charismatic incumbent The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero.
13 Uncharismatic challenger The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero.
by Haganham » Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:38 pm
by Southglory » Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:39 pm
Federation of Great Lake States wrote:In my personal opinion, anyone that says they can accurately predict the outcome of anything is just bullshitting.
by Southglory » Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:43 pm
by Christianastan » Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:44 pm
Teshasau wrote:I don't think they were debunked. I think he just misapplied them. 9 out of 11 is still a very good prediction record.
by Ifreann » Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:46 pm
by Haganham » Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:54 pm
Teshasau wrote:I don't think they were debunked. I think he just misapplied them. 9 out of 11 is still a very good prediction record.
by Areebistan » Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:12 pm
by My Holy Cushion » Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:14 pm
by Kerwa » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:26 pm
by Areebistan » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:30 pm
My Holy Cushion wrote:The problem is they dont take fraud into account or other issues like billionaires buying votes and misinformation.
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:30 pm
by Missouri and its territories » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:45 pm
by Katganistan » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:17 pm
Federation of Great Lake States wrote:In my personal opinion, anyone that says they can accurately predict the outcome of anything is just bullshitting.
by My Holy Cushion » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:19 pm
Areebistan wrote:My Holy Cushion wrote:The problem is they dont take fraud into account or other issues like billionaires buying votes and misinformation.
Thats what he addressed afterwards when he is talking about assuming a rational electorate. a rational electorate does not accept billionaires buying votes and misinformation.
by Untecna » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:21 pm
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by Kerwa » Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:14 pm
Untecna wrote:Misapplication is certainly a concern. One time out of all other elections it's been applied to makes it really hard to say "it's bunk", though.
by Polyester Football » Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:15 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:The keys themselves aren't terrible, but the problem this year is that Licthman was outrageously biased in his interpretation of them. He claimed Biden/Harris were doing good on the economy (voters disagreed), he claimed there were no scandals (Bidens age? lol), he claimed there were no foreign or military failures (Afghanistan, Israel, etc) and he claimed Trump was an uncharismatic challenger (plainly nonsense, even if you don't like him he's very charismatic). If you looked at the keys objectively they pointed to a Trump win this year, but Licthman twisted it the other way because he wanted Harris to win.
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