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Are there any democrats out there that voted for Trump?

Postby United Disney States » Thu Nov 07, 2024 11:46 am

I am a heavy democrat supporter even though I am well underaged to vote. So a question I’d like to ask. Did any of you that are a democrat vote republican? If so why?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:25 pm

If numbers are anything to go by, there should be 16 million of them. But there isn’t. They just “disappeared”.

Makes one wonder…
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Postby Mossex » Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:32 pm

I've met someone in the USA that is a registered Democrat, but they tend to vote more republican. They disliked how Kamala was put up in Bidens position without being elected, as well as she only talked about Trumps faults and not what she would actually do to change anything. (These are all her words, not mine obviously. I don't live in the US.)
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Nov 07, 2024 4:38 pm

Mrs mermania voted 3rd party. She couldn't bear to vote for Harris, and she dislikes trump as a human being
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Postby Septentrea » Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:31 pm

I was a Bernie Sanders supporter in the 2016 Democratic Party primary. Watched the establishment throw him under the bus like garbage. Watched him bend over backwards and exact no concessions from the establishment in the Democratic Party. Got angry and discouraged from politics. Saw Trump get in. Governed more like a moderate Richard Nixon. Wasn't far right. He passed a bunch of good stuff:

1. First Step Act (2018)
This bipartisan criminal justice reform law aimed to reduce recidivism and reform sentencing, particularly for nonviolent offenders. It offered more opportunities for early release for inmates and aimed to improve reentry into society.

2. Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2017)
This act lowered the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% and cut individual income taxes, increasing the standard deduction. It aimed to stimulate the economy by incentivizing investment, though its long-term impacts on national debt and wealth inequality are widely debated.

3. Veterans Affairs Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act (2017)
Designed to address inefficiencies and accountability issues within the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), this law simplified the process of removing VA employees guilty of misconduct and provided protections for whistleblowers.

4. Right to Try Act (2018)
This law allows terminally ill patients to try experimental treatments that have passed Phase I of the FDA approval process but are not yet fully approved. It was aimed at expanding options for patients with few treatment alternatives.

5. Support for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs)
Trump signed the FUTURE Act, which secured $255 million annually in funding for minority-serving institutions, including HBCUs, aiming to increase educational opportunities and resources for underserved communities.

6. Agricultural Improvement Act (Farm Bill, 2018)
This bill provided subsidies for farmers, expanded the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), and legalized industrial hemp, opening new market opportunities for farmers.

7. Opioid Crisis Response
The Trump administration signed several bills to address the opioid epidemic, such as the SUPPORT for Patients and Communities Act (2018), which expanded treatment options, imposed stricter prescription regulations, and increased funding for research and prevention.

After this and his support and passage of right to try medication, especially for my mom who suffers from congestive heart failure, he won me over. He won me over by late 2017 early 2018? And then I voted for him in 2024 obviously.

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Postby Futurist State of Flassau » Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:36 pm

Septentrea wrote:I was a Bernie Sanders supporter in the 2016 Democratic Party primary. Watched the establishment throw him under the bus like garbage. Watched him bend over backwards and exact no concessions from the establishment in the Democratic Party. Got angry and discouraged from politics. Saw Trump get in. Governed more like a moderate Richard Nixon. Wasn't far right. He passed a bunch of good stuff:

1. First Step Act (2018)
This bipartisan criminal justice reform law aimed to reduce recidivism and reform sentencing, particularly for nonviolent offenders. It offered more opportunities for early release for inmates and aimed to improve reentry into society.

2. Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2017)
This act lowered the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% and cut individual income taxes, increasing the standard deduction. It aimed to stimulate the economy by incentivizing investment, though its long-term impacts on national debt and wealth inequality are widely debated.

3. Veterans Affairs Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act (2017)
Designed to address inefficiencies and accountability issues within the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), this law simplified the process of removing VA employees guilty of misconduct and provided protections for whistleblowers.

4. Right to Try Act (2018)
This law allows terminally ill patients to try experimental treatments that have passed Phase I of the FDA approval process but are not yet fully approved. It was aimed at expanding options for patients with few treatment alternatives.

5. Support for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs)
Trump signed the FUTURE Act, which secured $255 million annually in funding for minority-serving institutions, including HBCUs, aiming to increase educational opportunities and resources for underserved communities.

6. Agricultural Improvement Act (Farm Bill, 2018)
This bill provided subsidies for farmers, expanded the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), and legalized industrial hemp, opening new market opportunities for farmers.

7. Opioid Crisis Response
The Trump administration signed several bills to address the opioid epidemic, such as the SUPPORT for Patients and Communities Act (2018), which expanded treatment options, imposed stricter prescription regulations, and increased funding for research and prevention.

After this and his support and passage of right to try medication, especially for my mom who suffers from congestive heart failure, he won me over. He won me over by late 2017 early 2018? And then I voted for him in 2024 obviously.

Trump tried to end Cooporation with Europe, Trump appeased Russia, Trump tried to kill the Environment.
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Postby Ithacara » Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:06 pm

Futurist State of Flassau wrote:
Septentrea wrote:I was a Bernie Sanders supporter in the 2016 Democratic Party primary. Watched the establishment throw him under the bus like garbage. Watched him bend over backwards and exact no concessions from the establishment in the Democratic Party. Got angry and discouraged from politics. Saw Trump get in. Governed more like a moderate Richard Nixon. Wasn't far right. He passed a bunch of good stuff:

1. First Step Act (2018)
This bipartisan criminal justice reform law aimed to reduce recidivism and reform sentencing, particularly for nonviolent offenders. It offered more opportunities for early release for inmates and aimed to improve reentry into society.

2. Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2017)
This act lowered the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% and cut individual income taxes, increasing the standard deduction. It aimed to stimulate the economy by incentivizing investment, though its long-term impacts on national debt and wealth inequality are widely debated.

3. Veterans Affairs Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act (2017)
Designed to address inefficiencies and accountability issues within the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), this law simplified the process of removing VA employees guilty of misconduct and provided protections for whistleblowers.

4. Right to Try Act (2018)
This law allows terminally ill patients to try experimental treatments that have passed Phase I of the FDA approval process but are not yet fully approved. It was aimed at expanding options for patients with few treatment alternatives.

5. Support for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs)
Trump signed the FUTURE Act, which secured $255 million annually in funding for minority-serving institutions, including HBCUs, aiming to increase educational opportunities and resources for underserved communities.

6. Agricultural Improvement Act (Farm Bill, 2018)
This bill provided subsidies for farmers, expanded the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), and legalized industrial hemp, opening new market opportunities for farmers.

7. Opioid Crisis Response
The Trump administration signed several bills to address the opioid epidemic, such as the SUPPORT for Patients and Communities Act (2018), which expanded treatment options, imposed stricter prescription regulations, and increased funding for research and prevention.

After this and his support and passage of right to try medication, especially for my mom who suffers from congestive heart failure, he won me over. He won me over by late 2017 early 2018? And then I voted for him in 2024 obviously.

Trump tried to end Cooporation with Europe, Trump appeased Russia, Trump tried to kill the Environment.


Trump ended "cooperation" with Europe because European governments were just as radical as the Democratic Party. Just look at Macron in France. Every American politician seems to put other countries before their own and so did European governments. What happened? They let in tens of thousands of Middle Eastern refugees into their borders only for those same refugees to deface Catholic and Christian statues/churches, change European policies to abide by Islam, do things to European women that I won't mention inside this thread.

And yes, Trump did appease Russia, however, remained firm against Putin that he will respond to conflict with the U.S. military. By doing that, he prevented the Ukrainian War and also an American confrontation with Russia. He further displayed his threats of U.S. military response by 1) wiping out ISIS factions in Syria 2) responding to Iran by taking out a top military official which kept them at bay 3) preventing conflict/escalations with North Korea simply by humiliating KJU. Near peer conflict was avoided thanks to Trump.

And there's virtually no evidence that "Trump tried to kill the environment". If you're talking about the Paris Climate Accords, his reasoning wasn't environmental based, it was economic based. Trump withdrew because the Paris Climate Accords were costing the American taxpayer needless money for limited results and Trump being a businessman, was attempting to broker a business deal. He verbatim stated his attempts to negotiate a new deal and once negotiations were complete, would enter back into the Accords. America's involvement in all these deal is anything but productive. America doesn't even break the Top 100 of Most Polluted Countries even though we are the third most populated country in the world with the second most cars in the world and the second most producing factories in the world.

So, in hindsight, yes, he did end cooperation with Europe, yes, he did appease Russia, and no, he did not kill the environment.

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Postby Adamede » Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:08 pm

Futurist State of Flassau wrote:
Septentrea wrote:I was a Bernie Sanders supporter in the 2016 Democratic Party primary. Watched the establishment throw him under the bus like garbage. Watched him bend over backwards and exact no concessions from the establishment in the Democratic Party. Got angry and discouraged from politics. Saw Trump get in. Governed more like a moderate Richard Nixon. Wasn't far right. He passed a bunch of good stuff:

1. First Step Act (2018)
This bipartisan criminal justice reform law aimed to reduce recidivism and reform sentencing, particularly for nonviolent offenders. It offered more opportunities for early release for inmates and aimed to improve reentry into society.

2. Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2017)
This act lowered the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% and cut individual income taxes, increasing the standard deduction. It aimed to stimulate the economy by incentivizing investment, though its long-term impacts on national debt and wealth inequality are widely debated.

3. Veterans Affairs Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act (2017)
Designed to address inefficiencies and accountability issues within the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), this law simplified the process of removing VA employees guilty of misconduct and provided protections for whistleblowers.

4. Right to Try Act (2018)
This law allows terminally ill patients to try experimental treatments that have passed Phase I of the FDA approval process but are not yet fully approved. It was aimed at expanding options for patients with few treatment alternatives.

5. Support for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs)
Trump signed the FUTURE Act, which secured $255 million annually in funding for minority-serving institutions, including HBCUs, aiming to increase educational opportunities and resources for underserved communities.

6. Agricultural Improvement Act (Farm Bill, 2018)
This bill provided subsidies for farmers, expanded the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), and legalized industrial hemp, opening new market opportunities for farmers.

7. Opioid Crisis Response
The Trump administration signed several bills to address the opioid epidemic, such as the SUPPORT for Patients and Communities Act (2018), which expanded treatment options, imposed stricter prescription regulations, and increased funding for research and prevention.

After this and his support and passage of right to try medication, especially for my mom who suffers from congestive heart failure, he won me over. He won me over by late 2017 early 2018? And then I voted for him in 2024 obviously.

Trump tried to end Cooporation with Europe, Trump appeased Russia, Trump tried to kill the Environment.

He’s also gonna have the country perform economic suicide.

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Postby Futurist State of Flassau » Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:22 am

Ithacara wrote:
Futurist State of Flassau wrote:Trump tried to end Cooporation with Europe, Trump appeased Russia, Trump tried to kill the Environment.


Trump ended "cooperation" with Europe because European governments were just as radical as the Democratic Party. Just look at Macron in France. Every American politician seems to put other countries before their own and so did European governments. What happened? They let in tens of thousands of Middle Eastern refugees into their borders only for those same refugees to deface Catholic and Christian statues/churches, change European policies to abide by Islam, do things to European women that I won't mention inside this thread.

And yes, Trump did appease Russia, however, remained firm against Putin that he will respond to conflict with the U.S. military. By doing that, he prevented the Ukrainian War and also an American confrontation with Russia. He further displayed his threats of U.S. military response by 1) wiping out ISIS factions in Syria 2) responding to Iran by taking out a top military official which kept them at bay 3) preventing conflict/escalations with North Korea simply by humiliating KJU. Near peer conflict was avoided thanks to Trump.

And there's virtually no evidence that "Trump tried to kill the environment". If you're talking about the Paris Climate Accords, his reasoning wasn't environmental based, it was economic based. Trump withdrew because the Paris Climate Accords were costing the American taxpayer needless money for limited results and Trump being a businessman, was attempting to broker a business deal. He verbatim stated his attempts to negotiate a new deal and once negotiations were complete, would enter back into the Accords. America's involvement in all these deal is anything but productive. America doesn't even break the Top 100 of Most Polluted Countries even though we are the third most populated country in the world with the second most cars in the world and the second most producing factories in the world.

So, in hindsight, yes, he did end cooperation with Europe, yes, he did appease Russia, and no, he did not kill the environment.

Are you seperated from World Environment News from any chance?
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Postby Turenia » Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:25 am

A friend of my fiancée is a registered democrat, but voted for Trump, I believe.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:22 am

Ethel mermania wrote:Mrs mermania voted 3rd party. She couldn't bear to vote for Harris, and she dislikes trump as a human being


Can’t blame her. Trump is a disgusting living being.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:26 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Mrs mermania voted 3rd party. She couldn't bear to vote for Harris, and she dislikes trump as a human being


Can’t blame her. Trump is a disgusting living being.

Probably the least happy I have been voting for the winning candidate
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:29 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Can’t blame her. Trump is a disgusting living being.

Probably the least happy I have been voting for the winning candidate


Yet you still voted for him…

But that’s your right.
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Postby Hutsuls » Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:35 am

Neither Democrat nor republican. I would have voted for a true socialist. It is sad that USA once had a potential to be a socialist nation. If only people had put faith in Eugene Debs, USA would have been more prosperous than whole of Europe combined.

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Postby Ithacara » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:46 pm

Futurist State of Flassau wrote:
Ithacara wrote:
Trump ended "cooperation" with Europe because European governments were just as radical as the Democratic Party. Just look at Macron in France. Every American politician seems to put other countries before their own and so did European governments. What happened? They let in tens of thousands of Middle Eastern refugees into their borders only for those same refugees to deface Catholic and Christian statues/churches, change European policies to abide by Islam, do things to European women that I won't mention inside this thread.

And yes, Trump did appease Russia, however, remained firm against Putin that he will respond to conflict with the U.S. military. By doing that, he prevented the Ukrainian War and also an American confrontation with Russia. He further displayed his threats of U.S. military response by 1) wiping out ISIS factions in Syria 2) responding to Iran by taking out a top military official which kept them at bay 3) preventing conflict/escalations with North Korea simply by humiliating KJU. Near peer conflict was avoided thanks to Trump.

And there's virtually no evidence that "Trump tried to kill the environment". If you're talking about the Paris Climate Accords, his reasoning wasn't environmental based, it was economic based. Trump withdrew because the Paris Climate Accords were costing the American taxpayer needless money for limited results and Trump being a businessman, was attempting to broker a business deal. He verbatim stated his attempts to negotiate a new deal and once negotiations were complete, would enter back into the Accords. America's involvement in all these deal is anything but productive. America doesn't even break the Top 100 of Most Polluted Countries even though we are the third most populated country in the world with the second most cars in the world and the second most producing factories in the world.

So, in hindsight, yes, he did end cooperation with Europe, yes, he did appease Russia, and no, he did not kill the environment.

Are you seperated from World Environment News from any chance?
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Ya, read that whole thing. Not a single statistic or scientific study for the after effects of this, just a lot of explanation on how it could affect things without any significant foundation of scientific findings. (Don't worry I found them for you!)

https://www.epa.gov/air-trends/air-qual ... al-summary

https://www.statista.com/statistics/113 ... y-type-us/

These only reinforce my point that the Paris Climate Accords were a waste of tax dollars. CO2 emissions continued to decrease even with Trump in office and the following four years, meaning you can't use the argument that an administrations policy change doesn't show results until the next administration. Your argument is now void and irrelevant. Try again.

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Postby Adamede » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:59 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Probably the least happy I have been voting for the winning candidate


Yet you still voted for him…

But that’s your right.

Means he still bears the blame when trump screws the pooch whoever.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:41 am

Adamede wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Yet you still voted for him…

But that’s your right.

Means he still bears the blame when trump screws the pooch whoever.

Saved the country by not voting for whoremela, you mean.
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Postby Dogmeat » Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:52 am

Bear Stearns wrote:If numbers are anything to go by, there should be 16 million of them. But there isn’t. They just “disappeared”.

Makes one wonder…

There are no polls that show that 16 million Democrats voted for Trump. And if you think there are, you've badly misunderstood the polls.
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Not many. Trump did nothing good.
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Postby Adamede » Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:25 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Adamede wrote:Means he still bears the blame when trump screws the pooch whoever.

Saved the country by not voting for whoremela, you mean.

If anything trump was wanting to do would save the country sure. But it won’t. It’ll just make things worse.

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Postby Fahran » Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:37 am

Ethel mermania wrote:Saved the country by not voting for whoremela, you mean.

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Adamede wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Yet you still voted for him…

But that’s your right.

Means he still bears the blame when trump screws the pooch whoever.

What?! After the debate, I would have thought he wanted to save the dogs
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:11 am

Bear Stearns wrote:If numbers are anything to go by, there should be 16 million of them. But there isn’t. They just “disappeared”.

Makes one wonder…


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Postby Aggicificicerous » Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:18 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Adamede wrote:Means he still bears the blame when trump screws the pooch whoever.

Saved the country by not voting for whoremela, you mean.


Mocking Kamala's sexual history while voting for a serial sexual abuser is wild.

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Postby Nemaha County » Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:19 pm

Fahran wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Saved the country by not voting for whoremela, you mean.

*** Official warning for trolling. ***

While we have rescinded the blanket ban on political nicknaming, certain nicknames and certain insults directed at public figures may still constitute trolling, especially when those nicknames or insults involve immutable characteristics and stereotypes or appear intended to anger other players. In this particular instance, calling a female politician a "whore", without any elaboration, definitely reads as trolling to me.

Again, please note that this isn't related to sexism or even to nicknaming. You're allowed to be sexist on NSG. You're allowed to engage in the nicknaming and insulting of public figures on NSG. You're not, to use another example, allowed to call Josh Stein a "kike" or Thomas Clarence a "nigger." Because that's trolling. Which is against the rules. To quote...


We may still consider nicknaming of public figures to be trolling if clearly deliberately deployed to anger other posters, but this is the same as any other posting behaviour deliberately designed to anger; the nicknaming itself is not inherently trolling.


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I think you meant “Clarence Thomas,” not “Thomas Clarence.” Just for the sake of transparency

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