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People not voting Kamala because of Gaza, who are you voting

Postby Shannonclare » Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:28 pm

Many would-be democrat voters are refusing to vote for Kamala because of her complicity in Israel's genocide in Gaza. But there doesn't really seem to be a clear protest vote candidate for us, between Cornel West, Jill Stein, and others. So when you go to the polls, who will be your protest vote?

In my state neither West nor Stein will be on the ballot, so I'll have to write in my vote. Since I'm already doing that, Ill probably write in "Free Palestine" for president and "Ceasefire Now" for vice president. I figure its more explicit about the goal than either name. If either were on the ballot, id probably vote one of them just to add to a bigger, more considerable tally than my write-ins will probably have, but im not so sure whether id vote West or Stein.
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Postby Daemonkin of Corn » Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:30 pm

I'm not going to protest vote. It doesn't work. It just gets you ignored.
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Postby Hutsuls » Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:33 pm

Any real or honest socialist will do. The one who thinks that maybe USA doesn’t need to be the worlds police anymore.

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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:45 pm

The major problem with protest voting against Kamala is that these people are handing the Presidency over to Trump effectively. Not to mention the fact that many in Trumps government formerly and still in connection with him have played a part with Project 2025 makes this idea of just beating him in a new election a...interesting strategy to say the least.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:47 pm

Hutsuls wrote:Any real or honest socialist will do. The one who thinks that maybe USA doesn’t need to be the worlds police anymore.

Two things can be true: The U.S. shouldn't act as world police, but protest voting and allowing the candidate who wants to have that happen by allowing every dictator with a revanchist whim to act out their desires externally while acting like a dictator internally seems like a bad strategy.
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Postby Page » Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:53 pm

I voted for Kamala, bitterly. I hate that she simps for Netenyahu's bloodthirsty, genocide regime, but there are other evils that can be averted.
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:58 pm

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Postby Shannonclare » Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:05 pm

Benuty wrote:The major problem with protest voting against Kamala is that these people are handing the Presidency over to Trump effectively. Not to mention the fact that many in Trumps government formerly and still in connection with him have played a part with Project 2025 makes this idea of just beating him in a new election a...interesting strategy to say the least.

i, and many, many others, live in safe states where our votes couldnt swing the election anyways. We dont live in a popular vote system, after all.
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Postby Punished UMN » Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:09 pm

I'm not voting at all over the issue and because Harris is generally running to the right of where Democrats have historically been on most issues.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:12 pm

I ended up voting for one of the socialist candidates running here in WA over this and Harris not promising anything really substantial on healthcare. I could have held my nose and very angrily voted for her if she'd at least condemned Israel and made some good promises on how she wanted to improve healthcare access, but she didn't.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:12 pm

Punished UMN wrote:I'm not voting at all over the issue and because Harris is generally running to the right of where Democrats have historically been on most issues.

Couldn't you vote for a third party as a protest?

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Postby Punished UMN » Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:18 pm

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Punished UMN wrote:I'm not voting at all over the issue and because Harris is generally running to the right of where Democrats have historically been on most issues.

Couldn't you vote for a third party as a protest?

Don't like any of the third parties.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:23 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Couldn't you vote for a third party as a protest?

Don't like any of the third parties.

Doesn't help that they tend to be grifters.
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Postby Daemonkin of Corn » Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:25 pm

Punished UMN wrote:I'm not voting at all over the issue and because Harris is generally running to the right of where Democrats have historically been on most issues.



Because leftists aren't a reliable voting base and white suburban "middle class" voters are.

The people who vote are the people who get represented.
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Postby Ineva » Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:45 pm

I mean, the cause may be noble and all, but, is it really worth throwing away your vote?
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Postby Punished UMN » Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:47 pm

Ineva wrote:I mean, the cause may be noble and all, but, is it really worth throwing away your vote?

I think if it's not worth voting Trump because he plans to deport migrants or restrict healthcare, etc. that it's gotta be not worth it to vote Kamala over support for one of the greatest humanitarian crises of the 21st century.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:04 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Ineva wrote:I mean, the cause may be noble and all, but, is it really worth throwing away your vote?

I think if it's not worth voting Trump because he plans to deport migrants or restrict healthcare, etc. that it's gotta be not worth it to vote Kamala over support for one of the greatest humanitarian crises of the 21st century.

Trump will allow it to become worse though if not totally complete given his comments regarding beachfront property on Gaza.
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Postby Nilokeras » Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:07 pm

Ineva wrote:I mean, the cause may be noble and all, but, is it really worth throwing away your vote?


It's not throwing it away. Consciously withholding your vote is as valid as casting it, and as impactful - if you might otherwise vote for someone and you chose not to, that's equivalent in impact to voting for someone else.

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Postby Ineva » Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:12 pm

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Ineva wrote:I mean, the cause may be noble and all, but, is it really worth throwing away your vote?


It's not throwing it away. Consciously withholding your vote is as valid as casting it, and as impactful - if you might otherwise vote for someone and you chose not to, that's equivalent in impact to voting for someone else.

Not voting or doing a write-in that will not serve to benefit any candidate does not have the same impact as voting for a candidate.
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Postby Pierconium » Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:12 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
Ineva wrote:I mean, the cause may be noble and all, but, is it really worth throwing away your vote?

I think if it's not worth voting Trump because he plans to deport migrants or restrict healthcare, etc. that it's gotta be not worth it to vote Kamala over support for one of the greatest humanitarian crises of the 21st century.

I tend to agree and hate that she has not spoken out against some of the atrocities, but at the end of the day, she is the current Vice President. She is still in her job and her job is to support the policies of the sitting President. It is a difficult position to be in because she just can’t come out and say she disagrees with Biden as that would undermine his position(s). It is also a fact that she doesn’t command policy for the government. All of the claims of Harris did this or Harris let in millions of migrants or whatever are just asinine comments because the fact is that no, she did not. She is just the Vice President.

What exactly is she supposed to be doing about Isreal in her current position? And in what way does anyone that has decided to die on this hill think will be different in Israel if the opposition wins because you sat at home or protest vote for someone that has absolutely no chance of winning the election?
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Postby Repreteop » Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:36 pm

haha i'm not voting for kamala because alot of her supporters do support "palestine"

guess some of you got no choice :rofl:

Anyways. This must suck for some of you.
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Postby Nilokeras » Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:37 pm

Ineva wrote:
Nilokeras wrote:
It's not throwing it away. Consciously withholding your vote is as valid as casting it, and as impactful - if you might otherwise vote for someone and you chose not to, that's equivalent in impact to voting for someone else.

Not voting or doing a write-in that will not serve to benefit any candidate does not have the same impact as voting for a candidate.


If I would normally vote for John Smith but he puts in his platform a position I refuse to support and withdraw my vote, he loses that vote. That noone else gains it doesn't change that equation.

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