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Moldova says Yes to the EU 20/10; re-elects Sandu 03/11

Postby Tinhampton » Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:39 am

As per the BBC, Moldova has voted by roughly 50.5 - 49.5 to insert a provision into its Constitution requiring the country to aim towards EU membership. The referendum crossed not only the simple majority threshold, but also the 33% turnout requirement (almost 52% of eligible Moldovans showed up), despite well-funded efforts by pro-Russian magnate Ilan Shor - who threw money at 10% (ten percent) of the electorate in some way, shape or form - to encourage people to sit it out or vote against.

A similar provision was added to Ukraine's constitution several years ago. The BBC says that the referendum was non-binding as EU accession negotiations began last December and the new Constitutional provision merely restates the aim to get them over and done with, but its actual text - presented below, as Google Translate'd from the original Romanian with some adaptations for understanding - would suggest otherwise:
Added to the Preamble:

...RECONFIRMING the European identity of the people of the Republic of Moldova and the irreversibility of the European course of the Republic of Moldova,

DECLARING integration into the European Union as a strategic objective of the Republic of Moldova...


Added to the Constitution proper:

Title V1: INTEGRATION INTO THE EUROPEAN UNION
Article 1401: Accession to the foundational treaties and to the acts that revised the foundational treaties of the European Union


(1) The accession of the Republic of Moldova to the foundational treaties of the European Union, as well as to the acts that revised the foundational treaties of the European Union, shall be established by the Parliament through an organic law.

(2) As a result of the accession, the provisions of the constitutive treaties of the European Union, as well as the other binding legal acts of the European Union have priority over those contradictory provisions of the internal laws, in compliance with the provisions of the act of accession.


Although the referendum result was a Phyrric victory for President Maia Sandu and her fellow supporters of the EU, the woman herself had an objectively bad night in the Presidential election - she only won 42.4% of the vote, below the 50%+1 required to avoid a runoff. Aleksandr Stoianoglo, spearhead of the eurosceptic Socialist Party, won 26% and has earned the support of many popular third party candidates who didn't join him in the runoff; basic mathematics suggests he should be on track for a win when the second round is held in two weeks, but it's not clear by how much or even whether he will pull off the win.

This is a general thread to discuss Moldova's 2024 elections. I offer this as a starter question: What do you think will be the consequences of this, and why? On the EU matter, the "pro-Russian" opposition has been fairly equivocal about the referendum, despite Shor's influence over it. I think Moldova will eventually join the EU regardless of what happens - probably in the 2040s - and that the referendum, while helpful, probably didn't move the needle as much as anyone expected it to. On the election, I expect Stoianoglo to win by probably a couple of percentage points; he will make dissatisfied noises and stall the EU accession negotiations, but do nothing to actually stop Moldova's European momentum.

I know that was an exhausting OP. Please enjoy Ami the sniffer dog, who helped catch out a few of Shor's money mules at Chisinau Airport earlier this year:

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Postby Repreteop » Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:44 am

Ami is a good dog, a good dog indeed.

I know some Moldovan Russians in my church. Very kind people. EU integration would be great for Moldova.
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Postby Glorious Freedonia » Mon Oct 21, 2024 12:56 pm

Great job Moldova!

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Getoffmylawnia wrote:Sweet, fuzzy angel, good job, lots of head pats and treats for their loyal and effective service.

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Mon Oct 21, 2024 6:16 pm

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Getoffmylawnia wrote:Sweet, fuzzy angel, good job, lots of head pats and treats for their loyal and effective service.

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OP made a classic blunder they used a picture in the OP that's' more interesting to comment on than the thread content.

Either way good for Moldova I suppose though let's await the inevitable backlash and punishment Russia will plan against them.
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Postby Tillania » Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:37 am

The Lone Alliance wrote:Either way good for Moldova I suppose though let's await the inevitable backlash and punishment Russia will plan against them.

Unfortunately for Moldova, while they're not bordering Russia, there's Transnistria so it is still possible for russian troops to "get lost on a hiking trip" just before a completely unrelated "uprising" happens.
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:04 am

I hope they join NATO too, at some future time.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Tue Oct 22, 2024 2:25 am

Tillania wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Either way good for Moldova I suppose though let's await the inevitable backlash and punishment Russia will plan against them.

Unfortunately for Moldova, while they're not bordering Russia, there's Transnistria so it is still possible for russian troops to "get lost on a hiking trip" just before a completely unrelated "uprising" happens.


Not quite so easy in the specific case of Transnistria. Most of the border with Moldova is formed by the Dniester River, which only has limited and easily observable crossing points. The main exceptions are six villages in a specific area of the left bank that remain under the control of Moldova and the right-bank city of Bender under Transnistrian control. It's much, much easier for that hiking trip to accidentally enter Ukraine. Any

That said, it suits the Moldovans not to put too many restrictions on civilians travelling from Transnistria, partly because they're still legally recognised as Moldovan citizens, but particularly since Transnistrians have to use Chisinau's airport to fly anywhere else.

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Postby Risottia » Tue Oct 22, 2024 2:50 am

Kaumudeen wrote:EU desperate for more cheap labour from Eastern Europe.

It's fun how you think that Moldovans aren't already immigrating to the EU. Just like Africans, Americans, Arabs, Asians, non-EU Europeans...
The one that's desperate for cheap manpower is Russia. That's why they're importing troops from NK and recruiting further troops from India through scams.

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Postby Glorious Freedonia » Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:23 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:I hope they join NATO too, at some future time.

Me too. I would be fine with them joining now but the whole Transdnistra thing is a mess.

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Postby Rylland » Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:26 am

Glorious Freedonia wrote:
Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:I hope they join NATO too, at some future time.

Me too. I would be fine with them joining now but the whole Transdnistra thing is a mess.

Transnistria would be either invaded or have an Anti-Russian and Pro-West civil war/rebellion/protest so that if Transnistria got liberated, there could also join the EU and NATO, but will rejoin Moldova or remain as an sovreign state now recognized by the UN in case if the Russian Tyranny is over.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:59 am

The final result of the EU referendum was 50.39 YES - 49.61 NO. (It was 50.46 YES with 99.7% counted.) Sandu's percentage has ticked up to 42.45% while Stoianoglo won 25.98%, but that still means the two of them will have to duke it out next Sunday.
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Postby Kaumudeen » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:04 am

Risottia wrote:
Kaumudeen wrote:EU desperate for more cheap labour from Eastern Europe.

It's fun how you think that Moldovans aren't already immigrating to the EU. Just like Africans, Americans, Arabs, Asians, non-EU Europeans...
The one that's desperate for cheap manpower is Russia. That's why they're importing troops from NK and recruiting further troops from India through scams.

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Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:I hope they join NATO too, at some future time.


Why?
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Postby Glorious Freedonia » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:08 am

With Moldova in NATO, this should strengthen the alliance and weaken Russia's influence.

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Postby Kaumudeen » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:12 am

Glorious Freedonia wrote:With Moldova in NATO, this should strengthen the alliance and weaken Russia's influence.


What would Moldova contribute to NATO?
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Postby Glorious Freedonia » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:13 am

Kaumudeen wrote:
Glorious Freedonia wrote:With Moldova in NATO, this should strengthen the alliance and weaken Russia's influence.


What would Moldova contribute to NATO?


It has a strategic location in Eastern Europe. Also, it has a few soldiers.

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Postby Kaumudeen » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:14 am

Glorious Freedonia wrote:
Kaumudeen wrote:
What would Moldova contribute to NATO?


It has a strategic location in Eastern Europe. Also, it has a few soldiers.


Won't they just freeload off the US like most NATO members?
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Postby El Lazaro » Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:21 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:I hope they join NATO too, at some future time.

Unlikely. It’s against the constitution and lacks popular support. Which is why Moldova must be annexed by Romania. Glory to Romania.

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Postby Glorious Freedonia » Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:52 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:I hope they join NATO too, at some future time.

Unlikely. It’s against the constitution and lacks popular support. Which is why Moldova must be annexed by Romania. Glory to Romania.

Moldovans apparently know how to change their Constitution. They just changed it, in fact.

Edit: Also, if Ukranian should be taken over by Russia, then Moldova is likely next. They need NATO if for no other reason than that.
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Postby HISPIDA » Tue Oct 22, 2024 2:14 pm

Glorious Freedonia wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Unlikely. It’s against the constitution and lacks popular support. Which is why Moldova must be annexed by Romania. Glory to Romania.

Moldovans apparently know how to change their Constitution. They just changed it, in fact.

Edit: Also, if Ukranian should be taken over by Russia, then Moldova is likely next. They need NATO if for no other reason than that.

russia's been trying to take over moldova for, like, 30 years.
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