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[DEFEATED] On Proposals

Postby Dushina » Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:30 am

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The Security Council,

Respecting the numerous well intentioned proposals reaching the Security Council, and their attempts to recognize issues that may otherwise be ignored,

Concerned, however, that not all proposals are being written with such standards,

Recognizing an unmistakable decrease in quality of World Assembly Resolutions in recent times, totally disregarding the examples set forth over many years,

Annoyed at the lack of thought put into prospective legislation, degrading the reputation of this august body across the multiverse,

Decrying authors who only write legislation for fame and glory, rather than from a deep admiration for the institution and for the betterment of the multiverse as a whole,

Disappointed by authors who continue to submit frivolous proposals to this august body,

Observing the strain these proposals bring upon this august body, preventing serious proposals from reaching a vote in a timely manner, allowing regions to fall into further disarray,

Displeased at the informal lexicon oft used by previously mentioned authors, allowing ambiguities to proliferate, necessitating repeals to correct incorrect or ambiguous clauses, causing
further strain on this council,

Trusting that future authors may eventually come to put more substantial thought into their proposals before submission,

Ultimately expressing the hope that future World Assembly Resolution authors may once more compose their proposals in a more straightforward and appropriate fashion,

Hereby declares that, while many may be interested in writing legislation for the Security Council, it is paramount to consider all applicable rules before the submission of any proposal, and it is important to avoid the submission of any incomplete, illogical, or otherwise inappropriate legislation.


The Security Council,

Respecting the numerous well intentioned proposals reaching the Security Council,

Concerned, however, that not all proposals are being written with such standards,

Recognizing an unmistakable decrease in quality of World Assembly Resolutions in recent years,

Annoyed at the lack of thought put into prospective legislation, degrading the reputation of this august body across the multiverse,

Decrying authors who only write legislation for fame and glory, rather than from a deep admiration for the institution and for the betterment of the multiverse as a whole,

Displeased at the informal lexicon oft used by previously mentioned authors, allowing ambiguities to proliferate, necessitating repeals to remove incorrect or ambiguous clauses,

Observing the strain these proposals bring upon this august body, preventing serious proposals from reaching a vote in a timely manner, allowing regions to fall into further disarray.

Trusting that future authors may eventually come to put more substantial thought into their proposals before submission,

Ultimately expressing the hope that future World Assembly Resolution authors may once more compose their proposals in a more straightforward and appropriate fashion,

Hereby declares that, while many may be interested in writing legislation for the Security Council, it is paramount to consider all applicable rules before the submission of any proposal, and it is important to avoid the submission of any incomplete, illogical, or otherwise inappropriate legislation.
The Security Council,

Respecting the numerous well intentioned proposals reaching the Security Council,

Concerned, however, that not all proposals are being written with such standards,

Recognizing an unmistakable decrease in quality of World Assembly Resolutions in recent years,

Annoyed at the lack of thought put into prospective legislation, degrading the reputation of this august body across the multiverse,

Decrying authors who only write legislation for fame and glory, rather than from a deep admiration for the institution and for the betterment of the multiverse as a whole,

Displeased at the informal lexicon oft used by previously mentioned authors, allowing ambiguities to proliferate, necessitating repeals to remove incorrect or ambiguous clauses,

Observing the strain these proposals bring upon this august body, preventing serious proposals from reaching a vote in a timely manner, allowing regions to fall into further disarray.

Trusting that future authors may eventually come to put more substantial thought into their proposals before submission,

Ultimately expressing the hope that future World Assembly Resolution authors may once more compose their proposals in a more straightforward and appropriate fashion.
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Postby Aason » Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:20 pm

Why is it called August body if it’s not August?But anyways, this proposal won’t do much since people will still write poor quality proposals. Can you give reasons as to how this proposal would do otherwise?
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Postby Pathonia » Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:27 pm

Aason wrote:Why is it called August body if it’s not August?But anyways, this proposal won’t do much since people will still write poor quality proposals. Can you give reasons as to how this proposal would do otherwise?

'August' can also mean, according to a short Google search, 'respected and impressive,' which I believe is fitting.
Seeing as how it's a declaration, it's been made to express an opinion on behalf of the World Assembly that low-effort proposals to the WA are to be explicitly considered unwelcome.

Declarations, to my knowledge, don't have any legally binding powers outside of their ability to convey these sorts of opinions.
To this end, at least, I believe the draft would fulfill it's purpose of speaking out against low-effort proposals, regardless of it's actual ability to curb the submission of those aforementioned proposals.
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Postby Aason » Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:30 pm

Pathonia wrote:
Aason wrote:Why is it called August body if it’s not August?But anyways, this proposal won’t do much since people will still write poor quality proposals. Can you give reasons as to how this proposal would do otherwise?

'August' can also mean, according to a short Google search, 'respected and impressive,' which I believe is fitting.
Seeing as how it's a declaration, it's been made to express an opinion on behalf of the World Assembly that low-effort proposals to the WA are to be explicitly considered unwelcome.

Declarations, to my knowledge, don't have any legally binding powers outside of their ability to convey these sorts of opinions.
To this end, at least, I believe the draft would fulfill it's purpose of speaking out against low-effort proposals, regardless of it's actual ability to curb the submission of those aforementioned proposals.

Oh so that’s why it’s called that. Yes that’s a fair enough argument, I’ll support this in principle
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Postby Kostane » Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:32 pm

Pathonia wrote:
Aason wrote:Why is it called August body if it’s not August?But anyways, this proposal won’t do much since people will still write poor quality proposals. Can you give reasons as to how this proposal would do otherwise?

'August' can also mean, according to a short Google search, 'respected and impressive,' which I believe is fitting.
Seeing as how it's a declaration, it's been made to express an opinion on behalf of the World Assembly that low-effort proposals to the WA are to be explicitly considered unwelcome.

Declarations, to my knowledge, don't have any legally binding powers outside of their ability to convey these sorts of opinions.
To this end, at least, I believe the draft would fulfill it's purpose of speaking out against low-effort proposals, regardless of it's actual ability to curb the submission of those aforementioned proposals.

But you would think that a draft calling out low quality proposals should be at least of higher quality than many of the proposals used in the WA. Instead, it just accepts that there are bad proposals without ever actually declaring anything. I can’t support this proposal unless it is literally the gold standard of quality, anything else would be hypocritical.
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Aason wrote:Why is it called August body if it’s not August?

This February 29th body…
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Postby Dushina » Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:15 pm

Kostane wrote:
Pathonia wrote:'August' can also mean, according to a short Google search, 'respected and impressive,' which I believe is fitting.
Seeing as how it's a declaration, it's been made to express an opinion on behalf of the World Assembly that low-effort proposals to the WA are to be explicitly considered unwelcome.

Declarations, to my knowledge, don't have any legally binding powers outside of their ability to convey these sorts of opinions.
To this end, at least, I believe the draft would fulfill it's purpose of speaking out against low-effort proposals, regardless of it's actual ability to curb the submission of those aforementioned proposals.

But you would think that a draft calling out low quality proposals should be at least of higher quality than many of the proposals used in the WA. Instead, it just accepts that there are bad proposals without ever actually declaring anything. I can’t support this proposal unless it is literally the gold standard of quality, anything else would be hypocritical.
We are keenly aware of the argument of hypocrisy, Kostane. It is for that reason why we have posted this Declaration to the forums -- to gather opinions and improve on the writing.

I do agree that it is important to actually declare something in a declaration, and have added a line to the end of the proposal. We really appreciate the feedback, and hope to make this proposal worthy of submission.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:23 pm

Hereby declares that, while many may be interested in writing legislation for the Security Council, it is paramount to consider all applicable rules before the submission of any proposal, and it is important to avoid the submission of any incomplete, illogical, or otherwise inappropriate legislation.

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Postby Dushina » Sun Oct 13, 2024 10:42 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Hereby declares that, while many may be interested in writing legislation for the Security Council, it is paramount to consider all applicable rules before the submission of any proposal, and it is important to avoid the submission of any incomplete, illogical, or otherwise inappropriate legislation.

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Bhang Bhang Duc, while I do agree that it is "stating the obvious" the so-called "obvious" is something necessary to be stated, as it may not be obvious to some.

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yo dawg i heard you like declarations so i declared a declaration on your declarations so you can declare while you declare
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:36 am

Dushina wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Hereby declares that, while many may be interested in writing legislation for the Security Council, it is paramount to consider all applicable rules before the submission of any proposal, and it is important to avoid the submission of any incomplete, illogical, or otherwise inappropriate legislation.

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Bhang Bhang Duc, while I do agree that it is "stating the obvious" the so-called "obvious" is something necessary to be stated, as it may not be obvious to some.

Those who know how to write SC proposals don’t need this. Those that don’t won’t read it and will continue to submit badly written and usually illegal proposals, despite there being ample resources for help available on the SC forum.

This is a completely unnecessary Declaration.
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Postby Dushina » Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:27 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Dushina wrote:Bhang Bhang Duc, while I do agree that it is "stating the obvious" the so-called "obvious" is something necessary to be stated, as it may not be obvious to some.

Those who know how to write SC proposals don’t need this. Those that don’t won’t read it and will continue to submit badly written and usually illegal proposals, despite there being ample resources for help available on the SC forum.

This is a completely unnecessary Declaration.
I find your argument a bit illogical.

Is it unnecessary to condemn someone because people already know they are bad and vice versa for a commendation? That'd be silly, wouldn't it?
Are declarations useless as a whole? No, they state something. That is what is being done with this declaration.

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Postby Simone Republic » Wed Oct 16, 2024 7:07 pm

I assume this is more a commentary on the GA side than SC.
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Postby Adkissa » Wed Oct 16, 2024 7:25 pm

I’m not sure why this is a proposal, if I’m honest. I get the point trying to be made, but an SC declaration won’t really do anything except for saying “this resolution says no bad proposals”, which is neither legally binding nor a very effective way to get better proposals. Especially not when major regions have perused resolutions with key flaws in ‘em.

Nicely-written, and full of truth, but I don’t see this lasting long. It’s just more effective to encourage people to better their proposals while they’re being drafted.
Simone Republic wrote:I assume this is more a commentary on the GA side than SC.

Proposal itself calls out SC proposals w/o mention of the GA.
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Postby United Desri » Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:34 am

Will this proposal ban or discourage submitting low effort proposals?
Edit: This was an incredibly stupid question
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:59 am

This proposal was submitted under the name "On Proposals." It literally reached quorum just now with my approval.
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Postby Mishikeland » Sun Oct 20, 2024 1:50 am

I find the amount of emphasis on how poorly written and frivolous proposals slow down the process and lead to regions falling apart to be incredibly ironic when this proposal doesn't actually do anything and is effectively just a statement of "grrr bad proposals bad grrr" without any actual substance to it.

I appreciate the sentiment, I really do, but this essentially just perpetuates the issue it's complaining about while pretending to be above it.
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If it fails, I would vote for on re-draft if the "Recognizing" is heavily edited and/or removed... but this was really rushed.
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Postby Calva » Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:06 am

This one deserves a slow sarcastic clap *Claps slowly* well done for wasting time with this asinine proposal, please come back once you have put more effort in to writing up your proposal.
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Postby Earthly Cossack » Mon Oct 21, 2024 5:20 am

Eh, I feel this kind of just... appeared. And now is at vote. Honestly, not much opinion but against I suppose.
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Postby Chef Big Dog » Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:31 am

More proof that declarations were a mistake.
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Postby Dushina » Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:35 am

Earthly Cossack wrote:Eh, I feel this kind of just... appeared. And now is at vote. Honestly, not much opinion but against I suppose.

I can understand your point of view, it was submitted very quickly after being posted on the forums. Next time I will allow more time to pass before submitting such proposals, the lesson has been learned.
Calva wrote:This one deserves a slow sarcastic clap *Claps slowly* well done for wasting time with this asinine proposal, please come back once you have put more effort in to writing up your proposal.

Thank you for your input. We plan to re-write the proposal to (hopefully) re-submit in the future. If you have any constructive criticism to levy, please let me know.

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Postby Opiachus » Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:52 am

opposed due to the practical effect of further entrenching the clique of WA elites by spreading the narrative that there are objectively correct and incorrect reasons to write proposals (a virtue signal for the clique) and that one should not submit proposals without meeting a certain standard, but fails to define in detail that standard or provide examples. what are some examples of informal lexicon? ambiguities? list some of the repeals that those caused. what are some examples of the frivolous proposals that reached the floor? what serious ones did they hold up in queue? which regional liberations failed due to this stuff? you need to write a declaration that provides evidence for the entire WA, not just those involved in the gameplay sphere or the clique.
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Postby Arbitria » Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:16 am

Arbitria votes against this resolution. Terms like "illogical" and "inappropriate" give the council power to censor ideas based on their judgment. This is a step toward controlling what can even be proposed, limiting free expression. Deciding what's "quality" should not be in the hands of the council. Each nation can judge for itself. This sets a dangerous precedent for more regulation and undermines individual responsibility. It's a clear overreach of authority that goes against the principles of free and voluntary decision-making.

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