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[SUBMITTED] Rainbow Disconnections

Postby Ostrovskiy » Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:26 pm

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Title: Rainbow Disconnections

Validity: For nations with the “No Homosexuality” policy.

Description: It's election year in Brancaland, a country which has a significant amount of trade with @@NAME@@. The liberal incumbent President there once made a promise to support rights for homosexuals abroad, and as @@HE@@ scrambles to secure a second term, @@HIS@@ administration has threatened sanctions on @@NAME@@, due to your laws against homosexuality.

Option 1: The confidently smirking ambassador of Brancaland, @@RANDOMNAME_1@@, enters the room. “Look, @@LEADER@@, Brancaland doesn't want a trade war. It doesn't have to be a huge problem if @@NAME@@ slackens off the enforcement of your anti-gay laws, perhaps lighten up the punishments a bit. Then all this unnecessary economic damage wont happen.” @@SHE@@ smiles at you, but it doesn't reach @@HER@@ eyes.

Effect 1: @@NAME@@ seems to be chasing the gold at the end of the rainbow

Option 2: “Well,” replies @@RANDOMNAME_2@@, a former police officer and your advisor, “homosexuals are breaking the law. Just because Brancaland is threatening sanctions doesn't mean we should compromise the integrity of our laws. I don't see the need to make a public stance, however. Why don't we create a Queer Liason, someone who can 'work for the gay community of @@NAME@@' and pretend that we are taking steps on this issue? The position will be totally toothless, of course, but the President doesn't know that.”

Effect 2: the governments weapons are a hug and a gun

Option 3: Your poor door is practically kicked down by the entourage of the extremely popular and extremely anti-queer personality Neven Powder. He gestures for the others to leave angrily, and then turns that furious gaze on you. “@@LEADER@@, you can’t allow this foreign subversion!” he bellows. “Our culture is being destroyed by the enemy within and without, and that enemy is the homosexuals and their supporters. They are unnatural degenerates and giving in and allowing them to influence the decisions of this country is the first step on the staircase of destruction. Cut off all diplomatic relations with those nations that permit homosexuality, and don’t allow homosexual-approving nations to trade with us at all!”

Effect 3: @@NAME@@ stays shut in the international closet
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:23 am

I will assume that this draft isn't the most beautiful thing the GI community has ever seen and thus /bump it
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:25 pm

Option 2- How many religious people actually want to kill gay people?
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:20 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:Option 2- How many religious people actually want to kill gay people?

Way too many, especially here in the states

Also its supposed to be the crazy option.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:08 am

Ostrovskiy wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Option 2- How many religious people actually want to kill gay people?

Way too many, especially here in the states

Also its supposed to be the crazy option.

Yea, I know it's a crazy option, but people who put their real religions into this might not take kindly to suggesting that members of their religion want to kill gay people. I mean a moderate Catholic or moderate Muslim wouldn't take kindly to suggesting that their clergy want the death penalty for homosexuality, and in the case of Islam, it might draw comparisons to Sharia Law, for Catholics it might draw comparisons to the Middle Ages Church, and for other Christians, especially Protestants, it might draw comparisons to those nuts in the USA who want to kill gay people, all of which would be quite troubling for those who put their real religion into this. The option if he is made to look like a fringe lunatic by his peers and other clergy, but you'd have to treat it with great care
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:42 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:
Ostrovskiy wrote:Way too many, especially here in the states

Also its supposed to be the crazy option.

Yea, I know it's a crazy option, but people who put their real religions into this might not take kindly to suggesting that members of their religion want to kill gay people. I mean a moderate Catholic or moderate Muslim wouldn't take kindly to suggesting that their clergy want the death penalty for homosexuality, and in the case of Islam, it might draw comparisons to Sharia Law, for Catholics it might draw comparisons to the Middle Ages Church, and for other Christians, especially Protestants, it might draw comparisons to those nuts in the USA who want to kill gay people, all of which would be quite troubling for those who put their real religion into this. The option if he is made to look like a fringe lunatic by his peers and other clergy, but you'd have to treat it with great care

I get your point and will change it from @@FAITH@@ to a fringe religion
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:39 am

/bump
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Wed Oct 23, 2024 5:34 am

/bump
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Postby National Coraland of Fishery » Wed Oct 23, 2024 6:14 am

This way too similar to other issues, Try to come up with something more unique, descriptive and if you want to continue your issue, then make the problem more rare and a brain stumper.
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:03 am

National Coraland of Fishery wrote:This way too similar to other issues, Try to come up with something more unique, descriptive and if you want to continue your issue, then make the problem more rare and a brain stumper.

Could you please cite which issue it's too similar to?
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Postby National Coraland of Fishery » Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:57 am

Ostrovskiy wrote:
National Coraland of Fishery wrote:This way too similar to other issues, Try to come up with something more unique, descriptive and if you want to continue your issue, then make the problem more rare and a brain stumper.

Could you please cite which issue it's too similar to?

I think there is an issue posted already on a person from another nation not knowing the present nations laws. Thats what your issue is about right? However you definitely have the style for an issue maker
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:59 am

National Coraland of Fishery wrote:
Ostrovskiy wrote:Could you please cite which issue it's too similar to?

I think there is an issue posted already on a person from another nation not knowing the present nations laws. Thats what your issue is about right? However you definitely have the style for an issue maker

There's an issue about the reverse, where someone from your nation doesn't know another's laws, but not on this topic I don't think.
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Postby National Coraland of Fishery » Wed Oct 23, 2024 10:02 am

Ostrovskiy wrote:
National Coraland of Fishery wrote:I think there is an issue posted already on a person from another nation not knowing the present nations laws. Thats what your issue is about right? However you definitely have the style for an issue maker

There's an issue about the reverse, where someone from your nation doesn't know another's laws, but not on this topic I don't think.

I'm not sure, but my honest opinion would to rethink the idea. I don't think they would even accept reversed versions. Best to play it safe and wait for more of an expert to pass by :)
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Postby Bisofeyr » Wed Oct 23, 2024 10:12 am

National Coraland of Fishery wrote:
Ostrovskiy wrote:There's an issue about the reverse, where someone from your nation doesn't know another's laws, but not on this topic I don't think.

I'm not sure, but my honest opinion would to rethink the idea. I don't think they would even accept reversed versions. Best to play it safe and wait for more of an expert to pass by :)

I am not one of the people that makes decisions but this is definitely distinct enough from the existing issues on mistake of law, and Ostrovskiy is pretty knowledgeable about these things, so I’m sure he’s done more due diligence than your mistaken intuition.
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Postby National Coraland of Fishery » Wed Oct 23, 2024 10:19 am

Bisofeyr wrote:
National Coraland of Fishery wrote:I'm not sure, but my honest opinion would to rethink the idea. I don't think they would even accept reversed versions. Best to play it safe and wait for more of an expert to pass by :)

I am not one of the people that makes decisions but this is definitely distinct enough from the existing issues on mistake of law, and Ostrovskiy is pretty knowledgeable about these things, so I’m sure he’s done more due diligence than your mistaken intuition.

Like I said, I am not an expert, just my own advice
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:04 am

Some feedback, per your request.

The options have the inadvertent issue of not having a defined setting, but with option speakers described as being physically present with leader (i.e. things like folding their arms and glaring, smiling at you, walking into the room you're in, etc). The unintended effect is characters just sort of appearing in a blank room with the leader. You can resolve this either by either taking the modern approach of defining a setting for the entire issue (#1517, #1518, #1538 as the first examples I picked off randomly stopping somewhere on page 4 of the issues list thread), or check some older issues (#34, #37, #41, #42, and that kind of range) for guidance on what O.G. single-option settings or non settings can look like. I'd suggest the second, as the first requires more work.

For the intro, there's no specific reason to require the nation to have above average tourism; the "no homosexuality" policy is only held by a minority of nations, and it's plausible for a lot of those to have below average tourism, not above. I'd just specify allowing any tourism at all. Drop the first sentence, rephrase the second sentence into "Not all international visitors to @@NAME@@ are aware of...", and then add another sentence advising of how those tourists can face tough jail sentences when caught. This will require a =! no prisons validity, but that's a far less plausible clash.

I'd rework the second option a bit- asking for a special one off exemption but only advising United Federation citizens to merely "keep it down" from now on is a remarkably short sighted idea from the ambassador. I'd go for something more like,
  • The ambassador agrees that the advice is to tell people to actually follow the law, not just be discreet,
  • @@NAME@@ and Leader agree that the penalty is to immediately deport tourists breaking the law, not just implied clemency,
  • Financial quid pro quo remains on the table as the incentive for systematic special and drama-free treatment.

"Those they have enthralled" feels a little dramatic from the cop. If you move this option below the ambassador's contact, you can go for "ignore the bleating of the homosexuals and their foreign advocates".

For the third pair, the validity of banning both homosexuality and religion at the same time is going to be exceedingly rare, probably 1% or less of all nations. I would find a way to make it not-a-pair. If the philosopher feels too odd to represent all scenarios, #297, #1066, #1260, and #1351 have options that should give you ideas on ways a character might advocate against homosexuality without necessarily requiring a religion validity.

Also, I'm not sure I understand the difference in practical consequences between the third option pair and the current first option, and certainly on the back end we'd have more or less identical results. The death penalty is a possible option, but if you want something that probably hasn't been done before, I'd have the third pair advocating for an end to all diplomatic relations (including tourism) to nations that allow gay marriage.

For option four, it's a little on the nose for the speaker to say they aren't "advocating for public displays" while they're also "dressed in velvet" and "walking flamboyantly" into the room- if holding hands in public is illegal, that probably is too. I'd either re-write so they're still in the closet, or have them advocate for at least as much tolerance as needed for them to legally walk flamboyantly and wear velvet in public.
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:14 am

I have done my best to incorporate your feedback. Thank you so much!
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Postby National Coraland of Fishery » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:18 am

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:-snip-

Hey, can you check mine as well? Thanks viewtopic.php?f=13&t=557418
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:04 am

/bump
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Thu Nov 07, 2024 11:34 am

well, this draft may be a reality here in the states soon enough

/bump tho
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Wed Nov 13, 2024 6:00 pm

yo this draft is not the best thing in the world so bump
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Postby National Coraland of Fishery » Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:05 am

Ostrovskiy wrote:yo this draft is not the best thing in the world so bump

I suggest that "Not all international visitors to @@NAME@@ are aware of @@NAME@@’s laws regarding homosexuality." should be changed to be more formal and like a news station. I would say the draft is ready when it starts confusing me on its complications.
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:10 am

le bump
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Tue Dec 03, 2024 6:02 pm

b u m p
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Postby Verdant Haven » Tue Dec 03, 2024 6:57 pm

Issue 1467 "Gay Men Held by Police" is exactly this, but in reverse (it's your tourists arrested abroad). Several of the options are functionally mirrors as well. It's a good premise, but feels a bit too much like a repeat to me. Is there another angle on it that could keep the basic scenario, but perhaps look at it from an angle that's distinct from the basic "they were arrested, now what" situation? I do think we could use an issue or two that looks at the broader consequences of entrenched legal bigotry.

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