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[DRAFT 2] Removing Toxic Materials from Infrastructure

Postby Untecna » Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:46 am

Removing Toxic Materials from Infrastructure
Category: Environmental | Industry Affected: Manufacturing





The General Assembly,

Recognizing the abundance of several toxins in infrastructure,

Concerned with the safety risks of these toxins towards people and the environment,

Hereby:

  1. Defines a toxin as an material which, through contact, consumption, or inhalation, directly causes illness or death in a lifeform, and/or which actively pollutes the environment around it,

  2. Prohibits the further production, sale, or implementation of any piece of infrastructure which contains materials known to be toxic by member nations,

  3. Mandates that member nations implement plans to phase out existing infrastructure which contains toxins, and that, prior to removal, anything containing toxins be marked with appropriate signage or stickers,

  4. Further mandates that all projects which phase out infrastructure containing toxins be properly disposed of, with procedures established for the steps of the process,

  5. Further mandates that all sites where toxins were or are present be monitored for environmental effects, and that any areas containing more than the known limit for air, water, and/or soil immediately receive cleanup efforts.


For the final clause, I used U.S. federal standards as found here.

Tried to improve and simplify an idea that went undrafted and was immediately submitted to the GA.
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Postby Greater North-America » Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:32 pm

I'm rather new to the WA so I'm not entirely familiar with procedure here or the more technical stuff relating to resolutions, but there are a couple things here that come to mind when I read this:

A) what exactly are the "safety risks of [PCB] towards people and the environment", and
B) these chemicals being used to "insulate infrastructure from high temperature and pressure...", if we remove them, what insulation is proposed or recommended to replace them?
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Postby Diamante » Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:40 pm

Didn't someone make a draft of this exact topic yesterday? This is so specific I don't think it's a coincidence that you happened to make a draft extremely similar to the once posted yesterday.

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Postby Astrobolt » Tue Aug 27, 2024 6:53 pm

Diamante wrote:Didn't someone make a draft of this exact topic yesterday? This is so specific I don't think it's a coincidence that you happened to make a draft extremely similar to the once posted yesterday.


Tried to improve and simplify an idea that went undrafted and was immediately submitted to the GA.


OOC: The author did bring this up in fairness.

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Postby Barfleur » Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:20 am

OOC: The other proposal is largely AI-generated, while this one seems to be written by a person. So that's a plus.

IC: "I have no real opposition to this proposal. While PCBs were popular in Barfleur for a while, our government has since required they be phased out in favor of less harmful materials, and it is reasonable to enact similar requirements worldwide."


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Postby Untecna » Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:45 am

Greater North-America wrote:I'm rather new to the WA so I'm not entirely familiar with procedure here or the more technical stuff relating to resolutions, but there are a couple things here that come to mind when I read this:

A) what exactly are the "safety risks of [PCB] towards people and the environment", and
B) these chemicals being used to "insulate infrastructure from high temperature and pressure...", if we remove them, what insulation is proposed or recommended to replace them?

OOC: PCBs are carcinogens. The U.S. EPA has a fairly good description of the issues here.

There are alternatives, such as silicone oil, which, while less heat-resistant, offer a lack of toxicity.
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Postby Untecna » Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:46 am

Diamante wrote:Didn't someone make a draft of this exact topic yesterday? This is so specific I don't think it's a coincidence that you happened to make a draft extremely similar to the once posted yesterday.

Someone submitted a proposal yesterday on the same subject. However, the proposal was from a new account, likely AI-generated, as Barfleur pointed out, and ran afoul of the rules against amendments.

The reason this draft exists is because the idea is solid, it just needed a better proposal.
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Postby Greater North-America » Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:09 pm

Untecna wrote:
Greater North-America wrote:I'm rather new to the WA so I'm not entirely familiar with procedure here or the more technical stuff relating to resolutions, but there are a couple things here that come to mind when I read this:

A) what exactly are the "safety risks of [PCB] towards people and the environment", and
B) these chemicals being used to "insulate infrastructure from high temperature and pressure...", if we remove them, what insulation is proposed or recommended to replace them?

OOC: PCBs are carcinogens. The U.S. EPA has a fairly good description of the issues here.

There are alternatives, such as silicone oil, which, while less heat-resistant, offer a lack of toxicity.

If that's the case, then I see no reasonable objections to this proposal.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:16 pm

The vent turtle crawled into the ducts above the PCB discussion room.

"While I can get not wantin' normal folks t' be 'round it," the turtle said, speaking through the grates of the vent, "y'all said that it was mostly found around high voltage powuh and stuff that needs serious heat insulation. What I suggest is that these situations, where possible, be exempted. For instance, a new-cue-ler power plant's a big pain to tear out n' update, and I imagine that other powuh plants would be too."

"Ya'll even admitted that there ain't nothin' as good as PCB anyways, fer high voltage insulatin'. My homeland of TurtleShroom's a nation that uses new-cue-ler power almost exclusively, so God knows it'd be expensive. Plus, they don't combust when electrified..."

"'Course, it makes sense to ban 'em in papuh or pesticides, or stuff where eatin' 'em could happen, but y'all shouldn't support it 'till powuh plants n' transformuhs are exempt."
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:36 pm

Astrobolt wrote:Opposed. I don’t like these niche bills which ban a specific substance.

Concurred.

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Postby Untecna » Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:07 am

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:The vent turtle crawled into the ducts above the PCB discussion room.

"While I can get not wantin' normal folks t' be 'round it," the turtle said, speaking through the grates of the vent, "y'all said that it was mostly found around high voltage powuh and stuff that needs serious heat insulation. What I suggest is that these situations, where possible, be exempted. For instance, a new-cue-ler power plant's a big pain to tear out n' update, and I imagine that other powuh plants would be too."

"Ya'll even admitted that there ain't nothin' as good as PCB anyways, fer high voltage insulatin'. My homeland of TurtleShroom's a nation that uses new-cue-ler power almost exclusively, so God knows it'd be expensive. Plus, they don't combust when electrified..."

"'Course, it makes sense to ban 'em in papuh or pesticides, or stuff where eatin' 'em could happen, but y'all shouldn't support it 'till powuh plants n' transformuhs are exempt."

IC: The Untecnan delegate looks up at the duct to respond to the turtle:

"The primary use of PCBs is in electrical infrastructure; thus, this draft hones in specifically on that industry. If we were to exempt the very focus of this draft, there would be no draft. There are viable replacements which are safer and remain highly effective. It would be incredibly nefarious to suggest that these chemicals are not harmful, or that their alternatives are not viable. I suggest you reconsider your position, Ambassador."
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:15 am

Untecna wrote:"The primary use of PCBs is in electrical infrastructure; thus, this draft hones in specifically on that industry. If we were to exempt the very focus of this draft, there would be no draft. There are viable replacements which are safer and remain highly effective. It would be incredibly nefarious to suggest that these chemicals are not harmful, or that their alternatives are not viable. I suggest you reconsider your position, Ambassador."[/i]


"PCB's also used in papuh n' many consumuh goods, pesticides, and what-not. I ain't disagreein' on the risk there, and bannin' that seems logical. My argument 'bout electricity is that, first, your average man ain't gone go near a transformuh or powuh plant, and second, while other products work, PCB's the most effective and the cost of replacin' it is a nightmare. The mandatory replacement of the whole thing, especially in new-cue-ler plants, ain't viable for po' nations or those saddled with debt."
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Postby Untecna » Wed Sep 04, 2024 9:37 am

So far, the only responses have been regarding either support without objection, or refusal on the grounds of specificity.

Are there any other opinions to be shared? I'd be very shocked if this ended up being the only draft version.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Sep 04, 2024 10:53 am

Untecna wrote:So far, the only responses have been regarding either support without objection, or refusal on the grounds of specificity.

Are there any other opinions to be shared? I'd be very shocked if this ended up being the only draft version.

Why do you hate printed circuit boards PCBs?

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Postby Untecna » Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:40 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Untecna wrote:So far, the only responses have been regarding either support without objection, or refusal on the grounds of specificity.

Are there any other opinions to be shared? I'd be very shocked if this ended up being the only draft version.

Why do you hate printed circuit boards PCBs?

Circuit boards are perfectly okay with me. Just don't make a terrible PC build.

As for the chemicals, pollution and toxicity are big no-nos.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:45 am

Untecna wrote:As for the chemicals, pollution and toxicity are big no-nos.

What kind of pollution and toxicity are we talking about?

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Postby Untecna » Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:50 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Untecna wrote:As for the chemicals, pollution and toxicity are big no-nos.

What kind of pollution and toxicity are we talking about?

PCBs are carcinogenic, primarily. They can bioaccumulate and do not decompose easily, not to mention that they can stay in the body for years. These natures make PCBS dangerous to health and a serious pollutant.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:53 am

Untecna wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:What kind of pollution and toxicity are we talking about?

PCBs are carcinogenic, primarily. They can bioaccumulate and do not decompose easily, not to mention that they can stay in the body for years. These natures make PCBS dangerous to health and a serious pollutant.

Okay, regulate carcinogenic substances that semi-permanently bioaccumulate and do not depose easily.

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Postby Untecna » Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:54 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Untecna wrote:PCBs are carcinogenic, primarily. They can bioaccumulate and do not decompose easily, not to mention that they can stay in the body for years. These natures make PCBS dangerous to health and a serious pollutant.

Okay, regulate carcinogenic substances that semi-permanently bioaccumulate and do not depose easily.

You'd rather it be a broader subject? You could have just started with that.
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Untecna wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Okay, regulate carcinogenic substances that semi-permanently bioaccumulate and do not depose easily.

You'd rather it be a broader subject? You could have just started with that.

I did. viewtopic.php?p=41907289#p41907289.

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Postby Untecna » Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:19 am

/bump for further feedback.
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Postby Untecna » Mon Sep 30, 2024 8:59 am

Changing this to a [LAST CALL]. If you want to get any more feedback in, please do so soon.

Will likely submit by mid-week.
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Postby Simone Republic » Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:24 am

Still oppose. Just do a resolution on the use of toxic materials in infrastructure. Otherwise we'd be passing hundreds if not thousands of resolutions on specific chemicals when we already have a few toxic substances resolutions.
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Postby The Ice States » Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:01 pm

Simone Republic wrote:Still oppose. Just do a resolution on the use of toxic materials in infrastructure. Otherwise we'd be passing hundreds if not thousands of resolutions on specific chemicals when we already have a few toxic substances resolutions.

Ooc: I agree with this.
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Postby Untecna » Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:42 am

Proposal has been edited and returned to a drafting state in an attempt to generalize.
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