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A Reignited Wildfire (Heldervin war) [OOC/semi closed/MT]

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A Reignited Wildfire (Heldervin war) [OOC/semi closed/MT]

Postby European Federal Union » Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:33 am

he fog of war once again came cruising over Heldervin, and its surrounding regions, but unlike the previous Civil War with a thread facter focused from the outside rather then internally. With its past sins unforgotton, and new cases adding to those foreign forces some of which motivated by humans rights and democracy and others by imperialism and hatred found themselves sort of allied with each other against Heldervin, whoes United Powers alliance was but a shadow of its peak strengths with only its core members remaining loyal to Heldervin, and willing to stand by it as supporters, against the foreign crusaders.

Two island territories, tressures of the previous conflicts currently held by the very revolutionary socialist republic of Janpai in the west, and the slightly more revolutionary and somewhat less republican socialist collective of the Union of European Socialist Republics in the east, would both be destined to become a major part of the conflict as the only forward bases within proximity of Heldervin, held by outside invaders.


Previously, the Union of European Socialist republics, has tried to sort the issue diplomatically, initially warning Heldervin about their violation of the initially signed peace Treaty, as well as offering negotiations to stop the war even before it started. Sonething which then proved to be a useless effort, with Heldervin soon after doubling down and rejecting any negotiations, without making any offers on its own. This has been the final nail in the coffin, making a military confrontation virtually unavoidable at this point, something which was not in expected as even before the ultimatum was send, complete war preperations have been ordered and the entire Island of Sector 12 sent into a regional emergency status.


As the ladder of escalation climbed higher and higher, reaching ever new peaks, the prospect of a peaceful solution became ever harder to realize, and disspeared as war readiness peaked on both sides. Whatever came next would be hard to imagine, but it was clear this crisis would be fough with blood and bullets rather then statments and speeches.

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1. Obviously no godmoding and keep a sense of realism, a.e keep the terrain, and logistics in mind.
2. There is no formal troop limit as long as you keep it at a reasonable ammount. And keep in mind you have to also supply troops if you send alot.
3. this is a semi closed RP only certain people all of which should be aware who are allowed to join.
4. Keep the fighting within Heldervin as much as possible, even if other nations join in his side don't use that as a justification to attack them as long as Heldervin does not use them to attack you.
5. No WMDs (larger EMPs count as WMDs and are forbidden, but smaller ones not)
6. The rules might change in the future so look carefully and check them every few now and then.

There is not set formulary for applications, so just post your ORBATs, and alignment as well as marking its one.

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Postby The Way Sun Cooperation » Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:39 am

Just tagging this, I might be getting involved just awaiting Heldrivin Response
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Postby Azurnailia » Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:45 am

Tagging. Awaiting Heldervian response
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Postby European Federal Union » Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:58 am

Forgot to add its MT, edited the OP...................
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Postby The Way Sun Cooperation » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:01 am

It happens, is there going to be a Application thing or OBRAT?
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Postby European Federal Union » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:02 am

The Way Sun Cooperation wrote:It happens, is there going to be a Application thing or OBRAT?


Just an ORBAT and which side you support
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Postby The Way Sun Cooperation » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:03 am

Got it
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Postby The Way Sun Cooperation » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:04 am

I'll write up and OBRAT and post tomorrow than. To lazy to come up with one now
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Postby The Grand Economic Consortium » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:21 am

Tagging and waiting to see if Heldervin will allow me to join later
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Postby European Federal Union » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:29 am

The Grand Economic Consortium wrote:Tagging and waiting to see if Heldervin will allow me to join later

Regarding that I did already made Heldervin an offer tho he hasn't responded yet.

But it's also possible that the CSL does smt similar to me and Royanne, instead of joining himself I give him command over a small group of Royannian volunteers already included in my ORBAT.

Similarly, the CSL could make a unified ORBAT made up out of diffirent units from multiple volunteering CSL members, with units controlled by each member along a unified frontline. Through this more people would be able to join, but by each of them sending in less people. Thus the overall ammount of CSL forces pressent would remain constant.

And since they operate together along a unified frontlines Heldervin would just need to make a collective response against them, instead of a special response for all others.

The only downside of that is that it would require quite alot of cooperation so you guys effectively work as a unified force.
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Postby The Grand Economic Consortium » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:33 am

European Federal Union wrote:
The Grand Economic Consortium wrote:Tagging and waiting to see if Heldervin will allow me to join later

Regarding that I did already made Heldervin an offer tho he hasn't responded yet.

But it's also possible that the CSL does smt similar to me and Royanne, instead of joining himself I give him command over a small group of Royannian volunteers already included in my ORBAT.

Similarly, the CSL could make a unified ORBAT made up out of diffirent units from multiple volunteering CSL members, with units controlled by each member along a unified frontline. Through this more people would be able to join, but by each of them sending in less people. Thus the overall ammount of CSL forces pressent would remain constant.

And since they operate together along a unified frontlines Heldervin would just need to make a collective response against them, instead of a special response for all others.

The only downside of that is that it would require quite alot of cooperation so you guys effectively work as a unified force.


To be honest, I'm not sure if the unified CSL ORBAT would work very well or efficiently. Not sure how we'd be able to coordonate every CSL member's force as a unified body. I'll prolly propose bringing a battalion of marines aboard an LHA as my force. The CSL unified ORBAT is a good idea, but i've got my doubts in regards to how we'd all coordonate
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Postby European Federal Union » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:46 am

Important to note, I didn't said the entire CSL, I just said members willing to volunteer. And i also don't mean as a single unified body, what I suggested is "merely" Having the CSL fight like a real alliance together and coordinated but not a a single nation.

And that would arguably be more efficient then if everyone just does everything on their own without real cooperation behind that
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Postby The Grand Economic Consortium » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:47 am

European Federal Union wrote:Important to note, I didn't said the entire CSL, I just said members willing to volunteer. And i also don't mean as a single unified body, what I suggested is "merely" Having the CSL fight like a real alliance together and coordinated but not a a single nation.

And that would arguably be more efficient then if everyone just does everything on their own without real cooperation behind that


Oh OK I understand. That's a very good idea and it would be great if Heldervin accepts
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Postby Azmeny » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:57 am

The Grand Economic Consortium wrote:
European Federal Union wrote:Regarding that I did already made Heldervin an offer tho he hasn't responded yet.

But it's also possible that the CSL does smt similar to me and Royanne, instead of joining himself I give him command over a small group of Royannian volunteers already included in my ORBAT.

Similarly, the CSL could make a unified ORBAT made up out of diffirent units from multiple volunteering CSL members, with units controlled by each member along a unified frontline. Through this more people would be able to join, but by each of them sending in less people. Thus the overall ammount of CSL forces pressent would remain constant.

And since they operate together along a unified frontlines Heldervin would just need to make a collective response against them, instead of a special response for all others.

The only downside of that is that it would require quite alot of cooperation so you guys effectively work as a unified force.


To be honest, I'm not sure if the unified CSL ORBAT would work very well or efficiently. Not sure how we'd be able to coordonate every CSL member's force as a unified body. I'll prolly propose bringing a battalion of marines aboard an LHA as my force. The CSL unified ORBAT is a good idea, but i've got my doubts in regards to how we'd all coordonate

Well, I think it’s a good idea- we must cooperate and act as one as an alliance. For one, I say we should divide the ORBAT by our military strengths. I can provide heavy armour and air defences, greater marine can do the bulk of our naval forces, TGEC shall send marines and possibly naval support, and the Daeva can do black ops and intelligence. And on some areas wusch as infantry we can all pitch in.

How does this sound?
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Postby Aeyariss » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:58 am

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Postby European Federal Union » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:59 am

This is very good, but I think you forgot the airforce part...........

I will also bring up the topic to the CSL assembly so there's an IC discussion
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Postby The Grand Economic Consortium » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:04 am

Azmeny wrote:
The Grand Economic Consortium wrote:
To be honest, I'm not sure if the unified CSL ORBAT would work very well or efficiently. Not sure how we'd be able to coordonate every CSL member's force as a unified body. I'll prolly propose bringing a battalion of marines aboard an LHA as my force. The CSL unified ORBAT is a good idea, but i've got my doubts in regards to how we'd all coordonate

Well, I think it’s a good idea- we must cooperate and act as one as an alliance. For one, I say we should divide the ORBAT by our military strengths. I can provide heavy armour and air defences, greater marine can do the bulk of our naval forces, TGEC shall send marines and possibly naval support, and the Daeva can do black ops and intelligence. And on some areas wusch as infantry we can all pitch in.

How does this sound?


Ok, that sounds nice. I could also help with logistics and air support if I could station some aircraft nearby
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Postby Aeyariss » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:04 am

Well, Im just hoping he can at least come up with a simpler, solid orbat for this size of area of operations:

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Postby Azmeny » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:11 am

European Federal Union wrote:This is very good, but I think you forgot the airforce part...........

I will also bring up the topic to the CSL assembly so there's an IC discussion

That was simply an example, I hadn’t yet planned everything. We need to have a big discussion in the CSL for it.
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Lets just give Heldervin time to organize his ORBAT; last time I ask for his military info he procrastinates until threads dying.

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Postby European Federal Union » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:24 am

Aeyariss wrote:Lets just give Heldervin time to organize his ORBAT; last time I ask for his military info he procrastinates until threads dying.


Yes, it's good to give everyone the time to organize their militaries and ORBATs.

Gives me more IC time to ship in stuff before the war starts
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Postby The Astovia » Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:20 am

ORBAT.... To be written...

Probably going to reuse the SFO and set up from Operation Symphony, because that never ended up really happening.
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I forgot which side I supported can anyone please remind me?
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Postby European Federal Union » Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:03 pm

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:I forgot which side I supported can anyone please remind me?


Well depends on which alliance you are part of
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The Astovia wrote:ORBAT.... To be written...

Probably going to reuse the SFO and set up from Operation Symphony, because that never ended up really happening.


Reused the stuff from Operation Symphony with some minor tweaking to the Naval Detachment. If you have any questions about what we may be using, I'll answer them.

Operation Symphony


Classification: Major Kocsis Soma Only



Summary:

Incursions within "the veil" have encouraged elements of the Royal Army Command herein referred to as High Command to see if it is possible to engage vice versa with the veil. As such, "Strike Force Orion" has been established to carry out operations, for all intents and purposes nothing you see or engage with exists, there will be no mail sent to or from the unit barring notices from High Command. You will have total control of the operation seen fit, however, if losses are to exceed acceptable limits, you are to cease all operations and withdraw.

Your objectives are simple, do not attempt to outwardly seek contact with locals, use lethal force if necessary, secure possible points of interest and attempt to find any information that could assist High Command in understanding the threats from "the veil". There will be no reinforcements to assist you during this operation, the force you receive will be the only one deployed during the duration of this mission. You will be given a detachment of newly laid ships to provide any coastal support you may need.

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Under no circumstances are you to engage with EXPUNGED and you are to avoid such engagement at any costs.

Expectations:

Combat Losses: 90% Acceptable Losses
Securing Assests within the area for High Command.
Contact with locals avoided.
Safety of the Kingdom ensured. At Any Costs.


ORBAT
Strike Force Orion | Established 12/7/1799 | Establishing Order: CLASSIFIED | Total Manpower: 3,206

154th Infantry Battalion | Major Kocsis Soma | 1,260 Total Manpower
    154th Battalion Headquarters (20)
    179th Infantry Company (240)
    140th Infantry Company (230)
    152nd Infantry Company (250)
    147th Recon Company (160)
    191st Engineering Company (170)
    164th Mortar Company (150)
    Signals Detachment (40)

Naval Detachment | Commodore Horváth Mihály | 1,946 Total Manpower

RANS Szilveszter (Light Cruiser | 60 Officers, 800 Enlisted)
RANS Chedomsko (Destroyer | 10 Officers, 250 Enlisted)
RANS Alukove (Destroyer | 10 Officers, 250 Enlisted)
RANS Krasnosyt (Gunboat | 10 Officers, 150 Enlisted)
RANS Sokotek (Gunboat | 10 Officers, 150 Enlisted)
RANS Fábián Szilvia (Gunboat | 10 Officers, 150 Enlisted)
RANS Videști (Torpedo Gunboat | 6 Officers, 80 Enlisted)
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