Scorinators (OOC Discussion)

[Elmyia]

As a follow up on not being able to use xkorninate, I've found the SQIS formula in this thread. But, I was wondering, as it wasn't included in the post I found, how are style modifiers included and how many 'attacks' are generated per game?

So, if I am reading your questions right, your wondering about the effects of the style mods, as well as attacks?

The xkoranate additive style mods do not increase a margin of victory, nor do they affect the outcome of the game. The NSFS style mods on the other hand, can affect margin of victory, however I do not believe they will change the W/D/L outcome of a game.

In SQIS, 12 base attacks are generated in a game, however from my understanding of the program when I worked on it about 2 years ago was that the SQIS and NSFS formulas can both have varying numbers of attacks based off of input to the program.

Keep in mind that this is based off of my knowledge from working on an unreleased and unfinished version of the program from a few years ago, and there may be others on the forum that have ran updated tests or trials that could change the validity of what I said.

Hopefully that answers your question and feel free to reach out to me about troubles getting the program to start (as you mentioned in the first part of your post) as I successfully ran it on a 64-bit OS and I wrote some code for the CE version.

Thanks for getting back on the number of base attacks, in terms of the style modifier I was wondering where it sits in the threshold formula? So I've got this for the thresholds w/o these:

A ± B × (1 − Lower Rank / Higher Rank) × Home Advantage
(plus for higher, minus for lower).

And yes, not sure what to do in terms of starting it, laptop just says it's not compatible with Chrome OS (which tbf is weak as anything).

[Northwest Kalactin]

So, if I am reading your questions right, your wondering about the effects of the style mods, as well as attacks?

The xkoranate additive style mods do not increase a margin of victory, nor do they affect the outcome of the game. The NSFS style mods on the other hand, can affect margin of victory, however I do not believe they will change the W/D/L outcome of a game.

In SQIS, 12 base attacks are generated in a game, however from my understanding of the program when I worked on it about 2 years ago was that the SQIS and NSFS formulas can both have varying numbers of attacks based off of input to the program.

Keep in mind that this is based off of my knowledge from working on an unreleased and unfinished version of the program from a few years ago, and there may be others on the forum that have ran updated tests or trials that could change the validity of what I said.

Hopefully that answers your question and feel free to reach out to me about troubles getting the program to start (as you mentioned in the first part of your post) as I successfully ran it on a 64-bit OS and I wrote some code for the CE version.

Thanks for getting back on the number of base attacks, in terms of the style modifier I was wondering where it sits in the threshold formula? So I've got this for the thresholds w/o these:

A ± B × (1 − Lower Rank / Higher Rank) × Home Advantage
(plus for higher, minus for lower).

And yes, not sure what to do in terms of starting it, laptop just says it's not compatible with Chrome OS (which tbf is weak as anything).

Yeah, xkoranate isn’t compatible with Chrome OS, and changing the formula won’t do much for that.

The only scorinators I know of that work on Chrome OS would be a spreadsheet, or repl.it scorinators that you can run out of a web browser (or any web based one for that matter). There are a handful of those, however none with the ability of xkoranate. May I ask what sport you are trying to scorinate?

[Liventia]

And yes, not sure what to do in terms of starting it, laptop just says it's not compatible with Chrome OS (which tbf is weak as anything).

Given it was first written in circa 2006 (?), five years before Chrome OS was even released to the public, and there hasn't been an updated release of it by its original creator since 2011, the same year Chrome OS was released, perhaps that shouldn't be a surprise.

[Squidroidia]

So, as you may or may not know, I have been doing a little Esports domestic league (Tactical FPS, kinda like CS:GO mixed with a tinnny bit of Overwatch) in between my usual stuff for football and the like, and I have worked out a little scorinator series for it!

For those who haven't been seeing my Newswire, here are the rules of StrikeLeague, based off the Squidroidian FPS StrikeForce:

StrikeForce is a tactical first person shooter (T-FPS) in which 2 teams of 5 battle over the mythical Force Stone, an ancient artifact dating back millennia that allows the wielder to gain unfathomable power. StrikeLeague maps are best-of-15 (First-to-8) affairs, with each game lasting around 2 minutes and 30 seconds. Games may end earlier if one team holds onto the Force Stone for 10 seconds consecutively. If the game lasts all 2 minutes and 30 seconds, whoever held the Force Stone for the longest total amount of time wins the game. If neither team held onto the Force Stone once in the game once time runs out, the team that holds onto it first in a sudden-death period will win that game. Matches can be best-of-3, best-of-5 or best-of-7 maps in competitive play.

For Season 7, which started here, I made a scorinator based on Xkoranate CE's eSports-FPS files, with winPoints set to 8 and the attack modifier going up from 3 to 4. As a result, I found, games have been generally closer, with full map sweeps (8-0) happening once every 30 matches or so in best-of-3, or once every 90 or so maps.

However, as I also added in dynamic (ish) ratings to the mix, there have been times where teams shoot up StrikeLeague Squidroidia's 4 tier structure, with one team winning a Major after being ICily in the online ranks (League C) a split before, and another going straight to the top tier in two Splits after winning promotions from Leagues C and B. ICily, Leagues A and B are on LAN and Leagues C and D are online. There might be some examples of something like this happening in Counter Strike or CoD, hence why I wanted to keep the Attack Modifier at 4.

The code for StrikeForce Best of 3, 5 and 7 can be found in the spoilered text below. If you have Xkoranate 0.3.3, you can copy the text for each of the scorinators, create .xml files in Notepad for each of the three scorinators and store them in an eSports subfolder within the sports folder for it to run. I'll still be doing StrikeLeague Squidroidia in roughly the same cycles as IFCF, but if there's enough interest there might be an international competition of sorts. Who knows?

NOTE: In StrikeLeague Squidroidia, Best-of-3 is traditionally used for split and Major/Finals group matches, Best-of-5 is traditionally used for Major/Finals knockout matches, and Best-of-7 is traditionally only used in the Grand Final, which is the championship match. Anybody who intends on running StrikeForce leagues is recommended to stick by the same match rules as StrikeLeague Squidroidia, but are welcome to scrap Best-of-5 or Best-of-7 map matches if need be.

Best-of-3

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<sport version="0.3">
	<name>eSports—StrikeForce-Best of 3</name>
	<alphabetizedName>eSports—StrikeForce—Best of 3</alphabetizedName>
	<discipline>eSports</discipline>
	<event>StrikeForce</event>
	<scorinator>Best of 3</scorinator>
	
	<paradigm>tennis</paradigm>
	<paradigmOptions>
		<int type="sets">3</int>
		<int type="winPoints">8</int>
		<int type="winMargin">1</int>
		<int type="endPoints">0</int>
		<int type="finalSetWinPoints">8</int>
		<int type="finalSetWinMargin">1</int>
		<int type="finalSetEndPoints">0</int>
		<double type="attackModifier">4</double>
	</paradigmOptions>
</sport>

Best-of-5

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<sport version="0.3">
	<name>eSports—StrikeForce-Best of 5</name>
	<alphabetizedName>eSports—StrikeForce—Best of 5</alphabetizedName>
	<discipline>eSports</discipline>
	<event>StrikeForce</event>
	<scorinator>Best of 5</scorinator>
	
	<paradigm>tennis</paradigm>
	<paradigmOptions>
		<int type="sets">5</int>
		<int type="winPoints">8</int>
		<int type="winMargin">1</int>
		<int type="endPoints">0</int>
		<int type="finalSetWinPoints">8</int>
		<int type="finalSetWinMargin">1</int>
		<int type="finalSetEndPoints">0</int>
		<double type="attackModifier">4</double>
	</paradigmOptions>
</sport>

Best-of-7

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<sport version="0.3">
	<name>eSports—StrikeForce-Best of 7</name>
	<alphabetizedName>eSports—StrikeForce—Best of 7</alphabetizedName>
	<discipline>eSports</discipline>
	<event>StrikeForce</event>
	<scorinator>Best of 7</scorinator>
	
	<paradigm>tennis</paradigm>
	<paradigmOptions>
		<int type="sets">7</int>
		<int type="winPoints">8</int>
		<int type="winMargin">1</int>
		<int type="endPoints">0</int>
		<int type="finalSetWinPoints">8</int>
		<int type="finalSetWinMargin">1</int>
		<int type="finalSetEndPoints">0</int>
		<double type="attackModifier">4</double>
	</paradigmOptions>
</sport>

EDIT:
For those of you who aren't really bothered with copy and pasting stuff to Notepad and whatnot, I have the files in Google Drive here. In addition to the three files is a Best-of-1 file, in case organizers find Best-of-3s for regular season play to be too long ICily. Other than that, you still have to put them in an eSports subfolder in Xkoranate 0.3.3 in order for the files to work.

[Elmyia]

Thanks for getting back on the number of base attacks, in terms of the style modifier I was wondering where it sits in the threshold formula? So I've got this for the thresholds w/o these:

A ± B × (1 − Lower Rank / Higher Rank) × Home Advantage
(plus for higher, minus for lower).

And yes, not sure what to do in terms of starting it, laptop just says it's not compatible with Chrome OS (which tbf is weak as anything).

Yeah, xkoranate isn’t compatible with Chrome OS, and changing the formula won’t do much for that.

The only scorinators I know of that work on Chrome OS would be a spreadsheet, or repl.it scorinators that you can run out of a web browser (or any web based one for that matter). There are a handful of those, however none with the ability of xkoranate. May I ask what sport you are trying to scorinate?

Yeah that makes sense, I've got google sheets and plugged what I could find here, how would I modify the thresholds to include style mods

And yes, not sure what to do in terms of starting it, laptop just says it's not compatible with Chrome OS (which tbf is weak as anything).

Given it was first written in circa 2006 (?), five years before Chrome OS was even released to the public, and there hasn't been an updated release of it by its original creator since 2011, the same year Chrome OS was released, perhaps that shouldn't be a surprise.

Aye, doesn't come as much of a surprise, it doesn't support a lot being honest, but hey ho it was all that was in my budget.

[New Portland Republic]

Heyo, switched to a chromebook and don't have the ability to use xkorinate, is there another way to scorinate my league?

There's IFCF Scorinator. Grab a Copy of it and hang around.

DO NOT EDIT ANYTHING IN THE LINKED SPREADSHEET. USE A COPY.

Also someone who doesn’t have the option to use xkoranate (outside of a PC at my dads house that he’s on for work most of the day, so I don’t have much of a reliable option for running Windows), but a Chromebook that can run the spreadsheet linked above well, would it be acceptable for me to run an international competition using the given spreadsheet?

I know it probably isn’t ideal (correct me if I’m wrong on this though) but all the competitions I’ve seen have used xkoranate as the primary scorinator.

My spreadsheet skills are decent, so if I used the scorinator shown above, would I be able to host a competition with it?

[Ceni]

Also someone who doesn’t have the option to use xkoranate (outside of a PC at my dads house that he’s on for work most of the day, so I don’t have much of a reliable option for running Windows), but a Chromebook that can run the spreadsheet linked above well, would it be acceptable for me to run an international competition using the given spreadsheet?

I know it probably isn’t ideal (correct me if I’m wrong on this though) but all the competitions I’ve seen have used xkoranate as the primary scorinator.

My spreadsheet skills are decent, so if I used the scorinator shown above, would I be able to host a competition with it?

There's nothing in the rules of the subforum that prevent you from using a spreadsheet-based scorinator, especially for a domestic league; indeed, a spreadsheet scorinated-tournament would be much preferable to an tournament scorinated with, say, FIFA (which /is/ illegal).

Honestly, my advice to you would to start out scorinating a domestic competition, whether that's football/soccer or other sports. Everybody in this subforum scorinated domestic leagues before they scorinated other tournaments with other participants, and you're going to get a lot of raised eyebrows trying to host an international tournament with no scorination experience while only having participated in a few tournaments.

[New Portland Republic]

Also someone who doesn’t have the option to use xkoranate (outside of a PC at my dads house that he’s on for work most of the day, so I don’t have much of a reliable option for running Windows), but a Chromebook that can run the spreadsheet linked above well, would it be acceptable for me to run an international competition using the given spreadsheet?

I know it probably isn’t ideal (correct me if I’m wrong on this though) but all the competitions I’ve seen have used xkoranate as the primary scorinator.

My spreadsheet skills are decent, so if I used the scorinator shown above, would I be able to host a competition with it?

There's nothing in the rules of the subforum that prevent you from using a spreadsheet-based scorinator, especially for a domestic league; indeed, a spreadsheet scorinated-tournament would be much preferable to an tournament scorinated with, say, FIFA (which /is/ illegal).

Honestly, my advice to you would to start out scorinating a domestic competition, whether that's football/soccer or other sports. Everybody in this subforum scorinated domestic leagues before they scorinated other tournaments with other participants, and you're going to get a lot of raised eyebrows trying to host an international tournament with no scorination experience while only having participated in a few tournaments.

Fair enough.

I was going to host a small cup to help build reputation and build up my own storylines for World Cup and Baptism of Fire, but I’ll probably wait if that’s the case and Roleplay more for working on those things.

I might try and use the spreadsheet for my domestic league because it looks different than xkoranate (which I used to score my first domestic league) so best to be safe and know what I’m doing there than rush into it and fuck up while I’m at it in a international competition.

Thanks for the advice, Ceni.

[Katterimunk]

Heyo guys, looking for a simulator for a player draft I wanna run for some of my leagues.

And also any way of scorinating inter divisional games? I have xkoranate, but it dosen't seem so good on that.

[Eastfield Lodge]

And also any way of scorinating inter divisional games? I have xkoranate, but it dosen't seem so good on that.

You can get around it through having a separate "interdivisional" league and then combining the scores in the xkoranate table generator. Messy and doesn't properly give you distinct interdivisional weeks in case you wanted to do MD by MD stuff.

Alternatively, the standalone NSFS 3.0.1a scorinator does do single level interdivisional leagues, but that's limited to NSFS-formula association football, American football and baseball - I don't do the latter two sports so can't tell you if those sports have moved on formula wise.

[Drawkland]

Heyo guys, looking for a simulator for a player draft I wanna run for some of my leagues.

I'm not sure anybody has a dedicated simulator for making player-based drafts. That sort of thing isn't super common in NS Sports (most RP'd leagues are association football and don't have drafts anyway), so there never arose a need for such a program. There are a couple users who do have leagues with a draft, but I'm not sure if they use any simulators or random generation to determine the results. If any of those users are around they could perhaps tell you what they do.

Alternatively, the standalone NSFS 3.0.1a scorinator does do single level interdivisional leagues, but that's limited to NSFS-formula association football, American football and baseball - I don't do the latter two sports so can't tell you if those sports have moved on formula wise.

I'll echo what Eastfield Lodge said, NSFS is the way to go if you want to have interdivisional play. It is pretty different from xkoranate though, so you'd have to get used to the quirks. The American football and baseball formulas in the NSFS program aren't really used anymore, but for the purposes of a domestic league they could serve well enough.

[APOC Coalition]

Heyo guys, looking for a simulator for a player draft I wanna run for some of my leagues.

And also any way of scorinating inter divisional games? I have xkoranate, but it dosen't seem so good on that.

Here's a link on how it could be done.

I actually have it as one of my bookmarks; it's that important to me.

[Osarius]

Also someone who doesn’t have the option to use xkoranate (outside of a PC at my dads house that he’s on for work most of the day, so I don’t have much of a reliable option for running Windows), but a Chromebook that can run the spreadsheet linked above well, would it be acceptable for me to run an international competition using the given spreadsheet?

I know it probably isn’t ideal (correct me if I’m wrong on this though) but all the competitions I’ve seen have used xkoranate as the primary scorinator.

My spreadsheet skills are decent, so if I used the scorinator shown above, would I be able to host a competition with it?

FWIW, the IFCF scorinator *is* used for international competitions (literally all the IFCF competitions), so there shouldn't really be an issue with that.
It also uses (almost) the same logic as xkoranate does for the SQIS algorithm. The only difference really is the lack of style modifiers.

[Obrela]

As someone who can't get xkoranate and is on a Chromebook, can someone tell me if there are any good excel scorinators for these sports:

• Rugby League
• Basketball
• Hockey
• Cricket

Thank you!

[Azhaar]

As someone who can't get xkoranate and is on a Chromebook, can someone tell me if there are any good excel scorinators for these sports:

• Rugby League
• Basketball
• Hockey
• Cricket

Thank you!

For Basketball and Hockey, you can give a look at ZenGM.

For Cricket, Apox made a spreadsheet named ApoxBaller. I only could find a copy in Ko-oren spreadsheets dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1610770

[Obrela]

As someone who can't get xkoranate and is on a Chromebook, can someone tell me if there are any good excel scorinators for these sports:

• Rugby League
• Basketball
• Hockey
• Cricket

Thank you!

For Basketball and Hockey, you can give a look at ZenGM.

For Cricket, Apox made a spreadsheet named ApoxBaller. I only could find a copy in Ko-oren spreadsheets dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1610770

Thanks this is really helpful!

[Naixi]

Could anybody with the knowledge go over the issues with the NSFS association football formula's home advantage system? Is it broken entirely?

[Havynwilde]

Xkorante work on MacOS? Can't find nun running on Ventura OS. Or alternatives fo it supportn Mac also work.

[Saterun]

Heyo, switched to a chromebook and don't have the ability to use xkorinate, is there another way to scorinate my league?

There's IFCF Scorinator. Grab a Copy of it and hang around.

DO NOT EDIT ANYTHING IN THE LINKED SPREADSHEET. USE A COPY.

Ran into a similar lack of xkoranate and have tried using this. The main problem I have is that the spreadsheet seems unable to scorinate any groups larger than 4. Anyone know how to get around this?

[United Hawkland]

There's IFCF Scorinator. Grab a Copy of it and hang around.

DO NOT EDIT ANYTHING IN THE LINKED SPREADSHEET. USE A COPY.

Ran into a similar lack of xkoranate and have tried using this. The main problem I have is that the spreadsheet seems unable to scorinate any groups larger than 4. Anyone know how to get around this?

a free couple hours to edit the spreadsheet. it was made to score IFCF competitions quickly, not really for domestic leagues, though anything is possible with enough determination. it probably isn't the best for 36 fixture leagues but if you were to get your clubs into it, it'll work for a couple of cycles while you figure things out. you could also make a 16 team league work by spreading all of the fixtures into different 4 team group stages.

if your Chromebook is a personal one and not a school Chromebook, then you can use any of the countless exe-to-chromebook apps like Wine to install xkor.