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Floofybit
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Psychotic Dictatorship

The Experience Machine

Postby Floofybit » Wed May 29, 2024 7:31 am

You are given two choices. Either spend the rest of your life suspended in liquid, unconscious, never seeing your family, friends, and life again, or deny, and live life as normal. This is the Experience Machine. Once you enter, you will enter into a dream for the rest of your life where all of your wildest hopes and wishes will come true. Anything you want to happen, will happen. You will have the ability to feel a greater amount of dopamine than you ever possibly could in real life. However, it's all in your mind and no where else. Do you accept?

I don't. From a religious stance, infinite happiness already can await me in the afterlife. In this life, I want to be the best person I can and help others and learn to be like my Saviour. I wouldn't waste learning for faux happiness. From a secular stance, I like helping people. I feel happiest when I make other people happy. If in the machine, I can't help anyone, only bits of code, and life would be meaningless.

However, I can see the appeal to staying in the machine for your whole life. Who would deny infinite dopamine for the rest of your natural life?
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Neonian Imperium
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Corporate Police State

Postby Neonian Imperium » Wed May 29, 2024 7:36 am

Literally a controlled-by-you matrix.
Nah bro I ain't staying in the real world, the matrix sounds too good (actually too good to be true...)
And also if I have the absolute control over the matrix then I can summon in my dream my friends and family and live as normal again if I want to.
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Floofybit » Wed May 29, 2024 7:45 am

Neonian Imperium wrote:Literally a controlled-by-you matrix.
Nah bro I ain't staying in the real world, the matrix sounds too good (actually too good to be true...)
And also if I have the absolute control over the matrix then I can summon in my dream my friends and family and live as normal again if I want to.

But your friends and family wouldn't be real. They'd act like them, but they wouldn't be there.
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Neonian Imperium
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Corporate Police State

Postby Neonian Imperium » Wed May 29, 2024 8:00 am

Floofybit wrote:
Neonian Imperium wrote:Literally a controlled-by-you matrix.
Nah bro I ain't staying in the real world, the matrix sounds too good (actually too good to be true...)
And also if I have the absolute control over the matrix then I can summon in my dream my friends and family and live as normal again if I want to.

But your friends and family wouldn't be real. They'd act like them, but they wouldn't be there.

An illussion is all that is needed.
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Just a dystopia of GD cat cubes but robots that want to exterminate any life in universe, what can possibly go wrong? *gets devoured by eldritch abomination controller of reality*

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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Floofybit » Wed May 29, 2024 8:02 am

Neonian Imperium wrote:
Floofybit wrote:But your friends and family wouldn't be real. They'd act like them, but they wouldn't be there.

An illusion is all that is needed.

But wouldn't your friends and family want to see the real you too?
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Neonian Imperium
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Postby Neonian Imperium » Wed May 29, 2024 8:47 am

Floofybit wrote:
Neonian Imperium wrote:An illusion is all that is needed.

But wouldn't your friends and family want to see the real you too?

Probably no, I would be doing them a favour by discounting money in food.
WELCOME TO THE DYSTOPIA 1240°
Here we have, uh, death at the right, slavery at the left, skynet at the north and cheap necrons from 40K at the south.

INCOMING NEWS FROM NEON 2018: HAPPY PRIDE MONTH! Oh and also a planet has been lost due to a Icon's ritual, the situation on the fronts is critical and we are all gonna die unless you buy your next actualization of stahl model!

Central american.
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Fundamental Paper Education and Murder Drones fan.
Democracy worst type of government apart from supposed "proletarian" dictatorship.

Just a dystopia of GD cat cubes but robots that want to exterminate any life in universe, what can possibly go wrong? *gets devoured by eldritch abomination controller of reality*

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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Floofybit » Wed May 29, 2024 9:29 am

Neonian Imperium wrote:
Floofybit wrote:But wouldn't your friends and family want to see the real you too?

Probably no, I would be doing them a favour by discounting money in food.

People matter more than money. If they really think that, they need to rethink some things.
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Tangatarehua
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Tangatarehua » Wed May 29, 2024 9:32 am

In a heartbeat. I have absolutely nothing going for me in this world and I don't think I'd be missed, so yeah--bring on the vat.
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Postby Herador » Wed May 29, 2024 11:16 am

Probably not. For as much as my life isn't exactly great, I have people who rely on me and just fucking off to live in Wonderland seems a bit selfish.
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Postby Technoscience Leftwing » Wed May 29, 2024 6:09 pm

Yes, I would agree to use such a machine.
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Nu Elysium
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Nu Elysium » Wed May 29, 2024 6:12 pm

Hell yeah. I don't want to deal with finals lmao
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Libertarian Negev
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Anarchy

Postby Libertarian Negev » Wed May 29, 2024 6:16 pm

That would be pointless though. The purpose of life is to serve others and to serve God. And we have an everlasting paradise awaiting for us after death anyways. So I say to live life not go into your own personal matrix.

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Mardesurria
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Mardesurria » Wed May 29, 2024 6:16 pm

It is tempting, but I’d have to say no.

If there was a way to “share” these dreams with other people, though, or to have the ability to leave the machine at will, then I would accept it.
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Uiiop » Wed May 29, 2024 6:23 pm

I feel i have a duty to others and frankly a duty for myself to try to be independent.
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Statesburg
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Postby Statesburg » Wed May 29, 2024 6:29 pm

If it means the world doesn’t have to deal with me, then plug me in.
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Saiwana » Wed May 29, 2024 8:19 pm

The Infinite Tsukiyomi was a good deal on the surface and practically the same in principle.
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Barinive
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Barinive » Wed May 29, 2024 11:29 pm

I would definetly go in. Life has no meaning. (But it's in the dictionary)
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Tesseris
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Tesseris » Wed May 29, 2024 11:31 pm

I ain't staying in this shitty world! I take the machine!
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Inner Albania
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Postby Inner Albania » Thu May 30, 2024 3:55 am

I take the machine :p
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kannap » Thu May 30, 2024 5:31 am

I only get one life to live, so I'm gonna stay away from the machine and live it.

Besides, I can already get insane amounts of dopamine by just hanging out with friends and occasionally by getting drunk while hanging out with friends at the local gay bar.
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Cyptopir
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Cyptopir » Thu May 30, 2024 5:37 am

I'd get in the machine. Who cares if everything is fake and I'm being used as computing power for some weird AI? I get to experience whatever I want whenever I want!
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The Blaatschapen
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu May 30, 2024 6:01 am

No thanks, I am already in a machine, and mine is better.

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Northern Socialist Council Republics
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Thu May 30, 2024 7:42 am

I do not, conceptually, recognise a distinction between something that is real and something that is in every way perceived to be real. Of course I'm accepting the offer.
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Industria-Faire » Thu May 30, 2024 6:14 pm

No. Honestly, the real world having ups and downs makes the ups so much sweeter.
And besides, I believe in Heaven anyway, which will be much better than any human attempt to "replicate" it.
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Kreigsreich of Iron » Thu May 30, 2024 6:16 pm

Yep.
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