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What do you think of Communism?

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I think it's okay.
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No strong opinion.
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I don't like it very much.
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I FUCKING HATE COMMUNISM RAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!one
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I think about communism once a day.
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I think about communism sometimes.
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Communism? What's that?
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What do you think of Communism?

Postby Nu Elysium » Mon May 27, 2024 6:51 pm

Last one reached 500 pages.

Link to the first thread

To quote the OP:
Lomacrato wrote:For me, Communism is underrated, coming from a democratic guy, No matter what their party Communist, Liberal, etc they shall be equal to others, I know I sound like the Founding Fathers but it's true. Most people think Communism = Non-American, but there are some countries that are Communist that give aid to western nations. I'm not trying to say I support dictatorships, I am trying to say that I don't care whether your Communist or Liberal, I will still be friends with you. People think that I'm Communist when I'm not, I'm gonna admit this, I like Russia, and people are still friends with me, honestly no one cares that your Communist, Liberal, Socialist whatever, your shoes or party doesn't matter. You are treated based on what you did, not your race, religion, party, etc. That's my personal opinion.



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Postby Temu and its unpaid child workers » Mon May 27, 2024 6:53 pm

in your opinion are there any communist or socialist states that haven't failed?
also what is your definition of communism?
(please be respectful in any arguments)
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i got the last post on the original discussion lets go
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Postby The OneState 1 » Mon May 27, 2024 7:22 pm

Temu and its unpaid child workers wrote:in your opinion are there any communist or socialist states that haven't failed?
also what is your definition of communism?
(please be respectful in any arguments)


I do not know if this counts, but what about the Makhnovshchina?

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The OneState 1 wrote:
Temu and its unpaid child workers wrote:in your opinion are there any communist or socialist states that haven't failed?
also what is your definition of communism?
(please be respectful in any arguments)


I do not know if this counts, but what about the Makhnovshchina?

anarcho communism is wierd idk
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Postby New haven america » Mon May 27, 2024 7:40 pm

Temu and its unpaid child workers wrote:1. in your opinion are there any communist or socialist states that haven't failed?
2. also what is your definition of communism?
(please be respectful in any arguments)

1. "Communist State" is an oxymoron
2. A stateless, classless society where the workers own the means of production.

Though, seeing as how I wasn't able to bring this up in the last thread, a good example of a successful "Socialist" model would be the company Winco. For those of you who don't know, Winco is a wholesale grocery chain in the Western US, and they're probably the closest to how a country and businesses would run in a socialist system. For example, the workers are company owners so they have opportunities like being gifted stocks if they see fit (They have several payment plans), they vote for their company president and CEO vs. regular companies that only let BoD's decide, tons of employee rights and benefits (Some have even started introducing chairs for cashiers to sit while they work, the horror), etc...

The problem with countries like the USSR or China, is that they run/ran the countries like private businesses, where usually only those close to the current executive were able to gain power, this is antithetical to socialism as socialism is supposed to be democratic. But why were/are they run that way? Because they're not socialist/communist, they're Eastern Authoritarian parading around as a different ideology, with all the historic failings that Eastern Authoritarianism traditionally has. North Korea for example, isn't communist, they're just an evolution of the Joseon's totalitarian and extreme collectivist beliefs. (Like how for a period of time in pre-split Korea, everyone shared the same birthday because people having special days for themselves was considered encouraging individualism and that couldn't be allowed because that would break up group cohesion, so NYD was also everyone's collective birthday)
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do you think the Nordics are socialist capitalist or somewhere in beetween
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Postby Technoscience Leftwing » Tue May 28, 2024 7:52 am

1. I studied at school in the USSR, and at the university in post-Soviet Russia. Therefore, I have some idea about the Soviet education system, the pioneer organization, commodity shortages, literature, films, music, etc., from direct living experience. If you are interested in something, ask about it.
2. In the USSR, the existing system was not called communism - on the contrary, they emphasized that communism had yet to be created, its construction was underway, but it had not yet been created. The countries of the Eastern bloc, like the USSR itself, were called socialist. Only Western Sovietologists called them “communist”. In the USSR it was believed that a society with commodity-money relations and a state apparatus of coercion could not be called communist.
3. Soviet reality combined advanced ideas for an abundant, automated secular society, great achievements in modernization - and huge remnants of cultural and technical backwardness inherited from the agrarian, absolutist and patriarchal Russian Empire. This backwardness, in my opinion, undermined the left revolutionary project and ruined its implementation in the USSR.
4. The project itself is very good, it boils down to a society of general welfare and emancipation through technological progress, and to a worldwide brotherhood of earthlings without religions or nations. I hope it will be realized in the future on our planet.
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Postby Mardesurria » Tue May 28, 2024 7:57 am

While it may look good on paper, my position more of less stays the same — it is impossible to achieve a communist society in real life. The closest people have gotten are socialist countries with poor living conditions and extreme income inequality between the members of the rulinf government party and everyone else.
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Technoscience Leftwing wrote: 3. Soviet reality combined advanced ideas for an abundant, automated secular society, great achievements in modernization - and huge remnants of cultural and technical backwardness inherited from the agrarian, absolutist and patriarchal Russian Empire. This backwardness, in my opinion, undermined the left revolutionary project and ruined its implementation in the USSR.
4. The project itself is very good, it boils down to a society of general welfare and emancipation through technological progress, and to a worldwide brotherhood of earthlings without religions or nations. I hope it will be realized in the future on our planet.


Secularity? Yeah, that’s fine.

Getting rid of religion? No, that’s not fine.

Many people have their faith placed on religion, and it serves as a source of comfort, guidance, and more. May major religions have set standards on morality as well, so it would be a bad idea to try to get rid of it.
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Postby Statesburg » Tue May 28, 2024 8:09 am

Mardesurria wrote:
Technoscience Leftwing wrote: 3. Soviet reality combined advanced ideas for an abundant, automated secular society, great achievements in modernization - and huge remnants of cultural and technical backwardness inherited from the agrarian, absolutist and patriarchal Russian Empire. This backwardness, in my opinion, undermined the left revolutionary project and ruined its implementation in the USSR.
4. The project itself is very good, it boils down to a society of general welfare and emancipation through technological progress, and to a worldwide brotherhood of earthlings without religions or nations. I hope it will be realized in the future on our planet.


Secularity? Yeah, that’s fine.

Getting rid of religion? No, that’s not fine.

Many people have their faith placed on religion, and it serves as a source of comfort, guidance, and more. May major religions have set standards on morality as well, so it would be a bad idea to try to get rid of it.

Secularity is not adhering to any religion, not obliterating it from all of society. And atheists do have moral codes, they’re just not based in religion.
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Postby Technoscience Leftwing » Tue May 28, 2024 8:19 am

Mardesurria wrote:
Technoscience Leftwing wrote: 3. Soviet reality combined advanced ideas for an abundant, automated secular society, great achievements in modernization - and huge remnants of cultural and technical backwardness inherited from the agrarian, absolutist and patriarchal Russian Empire. This backwardness, in my opinion, undermined the left revolutionary project and ruined its implementation in the USSR.
4. The project itself is very good, it boils down to a society of general welfare and emancipation through technological progress, and to a worldwide brotherhood of earthlings without religions or nations. I hope it will be realized in the future on our planet.


Secularity? Yeah, that’s fine.

Getting rid of religion? No, that’s not fine.

Many people have their faith placed on religion, and it serves as a source of comfort, guidance, and more. May major religions have set standards on morality as well, so it would be a bad idea to try to get rid of it.


The communists accused religion of two very serious disadvantages: 1. It slowed down scientific and technological progress (the persecution of scientists by the Inquisition, the replacement of empirical thinking with dogmatic thinking, the destruction of motivation for earthly improvements by promoting a heavenly paradise achieved through asceticism) 2. It slowed down social progress by preaching the obedience of slaves to gentlemen, and hope for a heavenly paradise instead of conquering earthly justice and earthly abundance. After the revolution, many priests were repressed, and religious organizations were banned.

But at the same time, in the USSR they emphasized that a citizen has the right to individually believe in God, and such faith cannot be broken by repression: it has social roots, these roots are in man’s powerlessness in the face of natural and social troubles, and until man has overcome these troubles, it will exist and personal religious faith. Such a person can only be persuaded through a peaceful discussion, and such persuasion will not always be successful. But the development of medicine, technology, comfort and friendly solidarity in society is capable, according to Marxists, of narrowing the social popularity of faith that arises from pain, powerlessness and despair.
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Postby Mardesurria » Tue May 28, 2024 11:26 am

Technoscience Leftwing wrote:
Mardesurria wrote:
Secularity? Yeah, that’s fine.

Getting rid of religion? No, that’s not fine.

Many people have their faith placed on religion, and it serves as a source of comfort, guidance, and more. May major religions have set standards on morality as well, so it would be a bad idea to try to get rid of it.


The communists accused religion of two very serious disadvantages: 1. It slowed down scientific and technological progress (the persecution of scientists by the Inquisition, the replacement of empirical thinking with dogmatic thinking, the destruction of motivation for earthly improvements by promoting a heavenly paradise achieved through asceticism) 2. It slowed down social progress by preaching the obedience of slaves to gentlemen, and hope for a heavenly paradise instead of conquering earthly justice and earthly abundance. After the revolution, many priests were repressed, and religious organizations were banned.


Religion does not slow down scientific progress as long as religious people keep their minds open to suggestion. It is, rather, ignorance and it’s consequences that slows down scientific progress. Moreover, religion does not slow down social progress, and it definitely does not advocate for slave-like compliance under it’s rules, because it brings comfort and peace to those who follow it, and if they don’t like it, one can easily leave the religion as they please. Instead of slowing down social progress, religion helps fix problems around the world throughout welfare, charity, and acts of kindness, speeding up said progress.

But at the same time, in the USSR they emphasized that a citizen has the right to individually believe in God, and such faith cannot be broken by repression: it has social roots, these roots are in man’s powerlessness in the face of natural and social troubles, and until man has overcome these troubles, it will exist and personal religious faith. Such a person can only be persuaded through a peaceful discussion, and such persuasion will not always be successful. But the development of medicine, technology, comfort and friendly solidarity in society is capable, according to Marxists, of narrowing the social popularity of faith that arises from pain, powerlessness and despair.


While the USSR’s laws never actually stated that they have ever banned religion, they took great efforts to restrict or eliminate religious freedom, and they were rarely peaceful. Seen as enemies of the state, religious people and groups were often persecuted and discriminated for their beliefs. Churches, synagogues, and other religious centers were closed down or demolished, and many were arrested, tortured, and executed. As a result, many people suffered under the hands of the USSR.

Communism is incompatible with religion in all of it’s forms because it opposes it. There is proof of this. Looking at attempted communist societies such as the Soviet Union, China, and more, one can tell that the two cannot coexist without one trying to get rid of the other.
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Postby HISPIDA » Tue May 28, 2024 1:07 pm

Temu and its unpaid child workers wrote:do you think the Nordics are socialist capitalist or somewhere in beetween

if the nordics are socialist then america is feudalist.
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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Tue May 28, 2024 2:02 pm

Yuri Bezmenov warned us about what might happen if we don't pay attention and resist.

This is what communism looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4MtuduiM7Y

And here's what communism in America might look like in the future: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/str ... em-harvard

They should've included From the River to the Sea to the list of slogans. Columbia U was just the start.

Communism is a religion just like Islam, and I'm opposed to religion in principle. Being an atheist does not immunize one from mindless dogma and irrationality. People literally worship Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Xi Jinping, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un as their lords and saviors. Never mind what the texts say, although those can be important too if one wishes to infer what these followers believe. Instead, pay close attention to what the adherents of communism are doing, what they are saying and how they behave in certain situations. The same rule applies to Islam.

Communism is the legitimization of theft and envy. Rather than minimize income inequality, communism has only maximized it. China is extremely unequal today. In China, the rich treat the poor so much worse than they do in the capitalist and democratic West. The Cultural Revolution has totally erased traditional Chinese values and social mores, which have been preserved in none other than Taiwan where people are extremely polite and people actually look out for one another as part of a tightly-knit community.

As a result of the extremely bloody and democidal Cultural Revolution and its associated struggle sessions, basic moral decency has gone out the window. Communist ideology has made people in China much more greedy, shallow, rude and selfish than they normally would be in the absence of communism, and who can blame them? The incentive structure has been completely upended by the CCP. Under communism, the only way to get ahead in life is to lie, cheat and steal. But don't get too successful and boast about it, or you might just incur the wrath of the guy at the very top of the food chain: Xi Jinping. Jack Ma learned his lesson the hard way. Meanwhile, several top Chinese ministers have mysteriously vanished in recent months. Russia appears to have gone the same way and seems unable to recover even 33 years after the end of communist rule.

Communism is tyranny and cultural genocide. In Hong Kong, we have the draconian National Security Law, Article 23, and Mainland Chinese flooding into Hong Kong and eroding the city's language, culture and traditions. I would know. I've been there countless times and I've watched the city change for the worse. In some situations, I can actually hear more Mandarin being spoken by Mainland tourists and residents than the local Cantonese language. It's absolutely surreal. Traditional HK-style coffee shops are closing down one by one. Hong Kong is dying thanks to communism.

Communism has an established track record of homophobia and transphobia. In China, in recent years, there has been a concerted crackdown on LGBT+ activism, feminist activism, in fact, any kind of activism that is perceived to threaten the Party's grip on power in any conceivable way. Communism can be really bad for your health if you're gay. The USSR and China actively persecuted gays and lesbians during Mao and Stalin's time. Being gay was considered a "counter-revolutionary, bourgeois, Western lifestyle". Communist attitudes toward LGBT people have, at times, closely mirrored traditional Christian and Muslim attitudes for much of their history. Gays in China were not nearly as oppressed before 1949 as they were after 1949, at least until Mao's death in 1976. Homosexuality was only mildly stigmatized for most of Chinese history. Queers for Communism is like Chickens for KFC.

Communism is antisemitism. The USSR gave us left-wing antisemitism, which informs much of the modern-day Left's obsessive hatred of Jews and Israel long after the USSR's demise. Meanwhile, the CCP brokered a "peace deal" between Saudi Arabia and Iran, weakening America's influence in the region and making the genocidal atrocities of Oct. 7 far more likely (in combination with president Biden's weakness on foreign policy).

Communism gave us covid, an artificially-engineered virus that was a key part of gain-of-function research sponsored by Peter Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance and funded by none other than "Dr." Anthony Fauci himself. The virus eventually leaked from a BSL-2 lab in Wuhan in biosecurity conditions considered to be insufficient to handle such a dangerous pathogen, under the supervision of the CCP, then the leak was covered up and a whistleblower, Dr. Li Wenliang, was silenced (and died) until it was far too late. The rest is history. China must pay reparations to the rest of the world for giving us all covid. In the absence of democracy with its checks and balances, and the transparency and accountability that come with it, communism could literally doom us all to extinction if left unchecked.

Communism is a threat to basic civil liberties. The CCP has presided over the emergence of an unbelievably totalitarian, high-tech surveillance apparatus manifesting as a record number of CCTV cameras in every street and in every room in every building equipped with facial recognition and other dystopian A.I. technologies, and a social credit score that controls what services you can and can't access. I was in China recently, I'm ashamed to admit. The number of CCTV cameras both indoors and outdoors is simply mindblowing.

Communism features a total disregard for the safety and privacy of children. In China, the CCP limits the number of hours minors can play online games and tracks their activity in real time.

Communism gave us the Uighur genocide, the ongoing persecution of the Falun Gong, the ongoing occupation of Tibet, the Holodomor, the Great Leap Forward, the harvesting of the organs of political dissidents and the extremely murderous Cultural Revolution as I mentioned before. In Soviet Russia, people actually lined up for food, something Moscow went to great pains to accuse Americans of doing.

Marxism-Leninism is the brainchild of a literal, natural-born Type I psychopath: Vladimir Lenin. The spread of communism in Russia was responsible for his rise to power and his genocidal reign of terror. Lenin sought to kill as many people as he could using any excuse he could find, making him even more evil than Stalin, Mao and perhaps even Hitler, contrary to popular perception, especially in Seattle where a statue of Lenin shamefully stands. Unlike Stalin, Mao and Hitler, Type II psychopaths who were shaped by their abusive environment, Lenin did not have an abusive father. He was "born this way". Even members of his own family were shocked and disgusted by his long history of disturbing behavior both as a child and as a young man. Marxism-Leninism is objectively worse than Nazism. In the West, Marxism-Leninism is thankfully just tankies who openly shill for communist regimes past and present.

Communism is colonialism and imperialism. It gave us the Iron Curtain, the Cold War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Cambodian Genocide and numerous proxy wars and instability across Asia, Africa and Latin America.

Nowadays, the CCP, Kim Jong Un of North Korea and Raul Castro of Cuba continue to defile our planet with their communist misrule. We also have Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela, Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua and other aspiring far-left dictators across Latin America, a shameful legacy of the so-called "pink wave".


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Postby Repreteop » Tue May 28, 2024 3:56 pm

low key could become a communist where do i sign up
I am no longer really tied down to a religion anymore since I haven't had anyone bring me a good argument to follow any one. I probably can give religious opinion though. Feel free to telegram me and try convincing me to follow your religion, I like learning what you think.

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Postby Technoscience Leftwing » Tue May 28, 2024 3:57 pm

Mardesurria wrote:and if they don’t like it, one can easily leave the religion as they please.


It became easy to leave religion at your own discretion only after revolutions, accompanied by secularization and forceful suppression of the church. Before these revolutions, in medieval agrarian society, it was impossible to “leave religion.” The laws of the Russian Empire directly stated “it is not allowed for us not to profess any religion.” That is, atheists were not allowed to create families with the possibility of inheriting property, and were not allowed to openly promote their views. The actions of the government and the church were aimed at eliminating atheists as a social group. Where there have been no successful anti-clerical revolutions, for example in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, it is still impossible to “leave religion” or promote atheism without risking your life. This was the case in medieval Europe and Tsarist Russia.

Regarding the suppression of religious groups: they were perceived by the communists as ultra-right political organizations, and in fact they were such. Because they idealized medieval society (they considered primitive society wild, ancient society pagan, industrial society materialistic - it turns out that the best possible in the perception of the clerics was the agrarian Middle Ages, when the church enjoyed enormous influence on politics and huge monastic lands with serfs, law collect church tithes, etc.). Being political reactionary organizations, they supported the anti-communist movement, for which they were repressed by the communists.

As for personal faith, it has social and material roots, so it is useless to fight it with repression, although this rule was often violated in the USSR, allowing unjustified and ineffective repression.
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Postby Kubra » Tue May 28, 2024 4:07 pm

Mardesurria wrote:and if they don’t like it, one can easily leave the religion as they please.
This is a *very* new thing. But a couple centuries ago this would not have been the case for a near majority of people, and even today there's still plenty of places where it is not the case.
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Liberal Malaysia wrote:
Yuri Bezmenov warned us about what might happen if we don't pay attention and resist.

This is what communism looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4MtuduiM7Y

And here's what communism in America might look like in the future: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/str ... em-harvard

They should've included From the River to the Sea to the list of slogans. Columbia U was just the start.

Communism is a religion just like Islam, and I'm opposed to religion in principle. Being an atheist does not immunize one from mindless dogma and irrationality. People literally worship Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Xi Jinping, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un as their lords and saviors. Never mind what the texts say, although those can be important too if one wishes to infer what these followers believe. Instead, pay close attention to what the adherents of communism are doing, what they are saying and how they behave in certain situations. The same rule applies to Islam.

Communism is the legitimization of theft and envy. Rather than minimize income inequality, communism has only maximized it. China is extremely unequal today. In China, the rich treat the poor so much worse than they do in the capitalist and democratic West. The Cultural Revolution has totally erased traditional Chinese values and social mores, which have been preserved in none other than Taiwan where people are extremely polite and people actually look out for one another as part of a tightly-knit community.

As a result of the extremely bloody and democidal Cultural Revolution and its associated struggle sessions, basic moral decency has gone out the window. Communist ideology has made people in China much more greedy, shallow, rude and selfish than they normally would be in the absence of communism, and who can blame them? The incentive structure has been completely upended by the CCP. Under communism, the only way to get ahead in life is to lie, cheat and steal. But don't get too successful and boast about it, or you might just incur the wrath of the guy at the very top of the food chain: Xi Jinping. Jack Ma learned his lesson the hard way. Meanwhile, several top Chinese ministers have mysteriously vanished in recent months. Russia appears to have gone the same way and seems unable to recover even 33 years after the end of communist rule.

Communism is tyranny and cultural genocide. In Hong Kong, we have the draconian National Security Law, Article 23, and Mainland Chinese flooding into Hong Kong and eroding the city's language, culture and traditions. I would know. I've been there countless times and I've watched the city change for the worse. In some situations, I can actually hear more Mandarin being spoken by Mainland tourists and residents than the local Cantonese language. It's absolutely surreal. Traditional HK-style coffee shops are closing down one by one. Hong Kong is dying thanks to communism.

Communism has an established track record of homophobia and transphobia. In China, in recent years, there has been a concerted crackdown on LGBT+ activism, feminist activism, in fact, any kind of activism that is perceived to threaten the Party's grip on power in any conceivable way. Communism can be really bad for your health if you're gay. The USSR and China actively persecuted gays and lesbians during Mao and Stalin's time. Being gay was considered a "counter-revolutionary, bourgeois, Western lifestyle". Communist attitudes toward LGBT people have, at times, closely mirrored traditional Christian and Muslim attitudes for much of their history. Gays in China were not nearly as oppressed before 1949 as they were after 1949, at least until Mao's death in 1976. Homosexuality was only mildly stigmatized for most of Chinese history. Queers for Communism is like Chickens for KFC.

Communism is antisemitism. The USSR gave us left-wing antisemitism, which informs much of the modern-day Left's obsessive hatred of Jews and Israel long after the USSR's demise. Meanwhile, the CCP brokered a "peace deal" between Saudi Arabia and Iran, weakening America's influence in the region and making the genocidal atrocities of Oct. 7 far more likely (in combination with president Biden's weakness on foreign policy).

Communism gave us covid, an artificially-engineered virus that was a key part of gain-of-function research sponsored by Peter Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance and funded by none other than "Dr." Anthony Fauci himself. The virus eventually leaked from a BSL-2 lab in Wuhan in biosecurity conditions considered to be insufficient to handle such a dangerous pathogen, under the supervision of the CCP, then the leak was covered up and a whistleblower, Dr. Li Wenliang, was silenced (and died) until it was far too late. The rest is history. China must pay reparations to the rest of the world for giving us all covid. In the absence of democracy with its checks and balances, and the transparency and accountability that come with it, communism could literally doom us all to extinction if left unchecked.

Communism is a threat to basic civil liberties. The CCP has presided over the emergence of an unbelievably totalitarian, high-tech surveillance apparatus manifesting as a record number of CCTV cameras in every street and in every room in every building equipped with facial recognition and other dystopian A.I. technologies, and a social credit score that controls what services you can and can't access. I was in China recently, I'm ashamed to admit. The number of CCTV cameras both indoors and outdoors is simply mindblowing.

Communism features a total disregard for the safety and privacy of children. In China, the CCP limits the number of hours minors can play online games and tracks their activity in real time.

Communism gave us the Uighur genocide, the ongoing persecution of the Falun Gong, the ongoing occupation of Tibet, the Holodomor, the Great Leap Forward, the harvesting of the organs of political dissidents and the extremely murderous Cultural Revolution as I mentioned before. In Soviet Russia, people actually lined up for food, something Moscow went to great pains to accuse Americans of doing.

Marxism-Leninism is the brainchild of a literal, natural-born Type I psychopath: Vladimir Lenin. The spread of communism in Russia was responsible for his rise to power and his genocidal reign of terror. Lenin sought to kill as many people as he could using any excuse he could find, making him even more evil than Stalin, Mao and perhaps even Hitler, contrary to popular perception, especially in Seattle where a statue of Lenin shamefully stands. Unlike Stalin, Mao and Hitler, Type II psychopaths who were shaped by their abusive environment, Lenin did not have an abusive father. He was "born this way". Even members of his own family were shocked and disgusted by his long history of disturbing behavior both as a child and as a young man. Marxism-Leninism is objectively worse than Nazism. In the West, Marxism-Leninism is thankfully just tankies who openly shill for communist regimes past and present.

Communism is colonialism and imperialism. It gave us the Iron Curtain, the Cold War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Cambodian Genocide and numerous proxy wars and instability across Asia, Africa and Latin America.

Nowadays, the CCP, Kim Jong Un of North Korea and Raul Castro of Cuba continue to defile our planet with their communist misrule. We also have Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela, Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua and other aspiring far-left dictators across Latin America, a shameful legacy of the so-called "pink wave".


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Postby Somacran » Tue May 28, 2024 4:16 pm

Liberal Malaysia wrote:
Yuri Bezmenov warned us about what might happen if we don't pay attention and resist.

This is what communism looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4MtuduiM7Y

And here's what communism in America might look like in the future: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/str ... em-harvard

They should've included From the River to the Sea to the list of slogans. Columbia U was just the start.

Communism is a religion just like Islam, and I'm opposed to religion in principle. Being an atheist does not immunize one from mindless dogma and irrationality. People literally worship Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Xi Jinping, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un as their lords and saviors. Never mind what the texts say, although those can be important too if one wishes to infer what these followers believe. Instead, pay close attention to what the adherents of communism are doing, what they are saying and how they behave in certain situations. The same rule applies to Islam.

Communism is the legitimization of theft and envy. Rather than minimize income inequality, communism has only maximized it. China is extremely unequal today. In China, the rich treat the poor so much worse than they do in the capitalist and democratic West. The Cultural Revolution has totally erased traditional Chinese values and social mores, which have been preserved in none other than Taiwan where people are extremely polite and people actually look out for one another as part of a tightly-knit community.

As a result of the extremely bloody and democidal Cultural Revolution and its associated struggle sessions, basic moral decency has gone out the window. Communist ideology has made people in China much more greedy, shallow, rude and selfish than they normally would be in the absence of communism, and who can blame them? The incentive structure has been completely upended by the CCP. Under communism, the only way to get ahead in life is to lie, cheat and steal. But don't get too successful and boast about it, or you might just incur the wrath of the guy at the very top of the food chain: Xi Jinping. Jack Ma learned his lesson the hard way. Meanwhile, several top Chinese ministers have mysteriously vanished in recent months. Russia appears to have gone the same way and seems unable to recover even 33 years after the end of communist rule.

Communism is tyranny and cultural genocide. In Hong Kong, we have the draconian National Security Law, Article 23, and Mainland Chinese flooding into Hong Kong and eroding the city's language, culture and traditions. I would know. I've been there countless times and I've watched the city change for the worse. In some situations, I can actually hear more Mandarin being spoken by Mainland tourists and residents than the local Cantonese language. It's absolutely surreal. Traditional HK-style coffee shops are closing down one by one. Hong Kong is dying thanks to communism.

Communism has an established track record of homophobia and transphobia. In China, in recent years, there has been a concerted crackdown on LGBT+ activism, feminist activism, in fact, any kind of activism that is perceived to threaten the Party's grip on power in any conceivable way. Communism can be really bad for your health if you're gay. The USSR and China actively persecuted gays and lesbians during Mao and Stalin's time. Being gay was considered a "counter-revolutionary, bourgeois, Western lifestyle". Communist attitudes toward LGBT people have, at times, closely mirrored traditional Christian and Muslim attitudes for much of their history. Gays in China were not nearly as oppressed before 1949 as they were after 1949, at least until Mao's death in 1976. Homosexuality was only mildly stigmatized for most of Chinese history. Queers for Communism is like Chickens for KFC.

Communism is antisemitism. The USSR gave us left-wing antisemitism, which informs much of the modern-day Left's obsessive hatred of Jews and Israel long after the USSR's demise. Meanwhile, the CCP brokered a "peace deal" between Saudi Arabia and Iran, weakening America's influence in the region and making the genocidal atrocities of Oct. 7 far more likely (in combination with president Biden's weakness on foreign policy).

Communism gave us covid, an artificially-engineered virus that was a key part of gain-of-function research sponsored by Peter Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance and funded by none other than "Dr." Anthony Fauci himself. The virus eventually leaked from a BSL-2 lab in Wuhan in biosecurity conditions considered to be insufficient to handle such a dangerous pathogen, under the supervision of the CCP, then the leak was covered up and a whistleblower, Dr. Li Wenliang, was silenced (and died) until it was far too late. The rest is history. China must pay reparations to the rest of the world for giving us all covid. In the absence of democracy with its checks and balances, and the transparency and accountability that come with it, communism could literally doom us all to extinction if left unchecked.

Communism is a threat to basic civil liberties. The CCP has presided over the emergence of an unbelievably totalitarian, high-tech surveillance apparatus manifesting as a record number of CCTV cameras in every street and in every room in every building equipped with facial recognition and other dystopian A.I. technologies, and a social credit score that controls what services you can and can't access. I was in China recently, I'm ashamed to admit. The number of CCTV cameras both indoors and outdoors is simply mindblowing.

Communism features a total disregard for the safety and privacy of children. In China, the CCP limits the number of hours minors can play online games and tracks their activity in real time.

Communism gave us the Uighur genocide, the ongoing persecution of the Falun Gong, the ongoing occupation of Tibet, the Holodomor, the Great Leap Forward, the harvesting of the organs of political dissidents and the extremely murderous Cultural Revolution as I mentioned before. In Soviet Russia, people actually lined up for food, something Moscow went to great pains to accuse Americans of doing.

Marxism-Leninism is the brainchild of a literal, natural-born Type I psychopath: Vladimir Lenin. The spread of communism in Russia was responsible for his rise to power and his genocidal reign of terror. Lenin sought to kill as many people as he could using any excuse he could find, making him even more evil than Stalin, Mao and perhaps even Hitler, contrary to popular perception, especially in Seattle where a statue of Lenin shamefully stands. Unlike Stalin, Mao and Hitler, Type II psychopaths who were shaped by their abusive environment, Lenin did not have an abusive father. He was "born this way". Even members of his own family were shocked and disgusted by his long history of disturbing behavior both as a child and as a young man. Marxism-Leninism is objectively worse than Nazism. In the West, Marxism-Leninism is thankfully just tankies who openly shill for communist regimes past and present.

Communism is colonialism and imperialism. It gave us the Iron Curtain, the Cold War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Cambodian Genocide and numerous proxy wars and instability across Asia, Africa and Latin America.

Nowadays, the CCP, Kim Jong Un of North Korea and Raul Castro of Cuba continue to defile our planet with their communist misrule. We also have Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela, Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua and other aspiring far-left dictators across Latin America, a shameful legacy of the so-called "pink wave".


Free Hong Kong. Free China. Down with the CCP. Down with Xi Jinping.

Holnestly, you're right. communism has been used to grab power during times of stress, but pushing it to I HATE COMMUNISM IN ALL ITS FORMS is a bit much. communism is a broad term, and it can be bad and '''good'''.
But you cannot, in good conscience, say that any other thing is better than a guy who used the mass genocide of millions of people and german citezens as a way to gain power and status. the guy was homophobic, rascist, and just plain bad. you can say among the likes of, but saying that is the first step into a hole nobody wants to go in.
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Postby Galactic Powers » Tue May 28, 2024 4:26 pm

Liberal Malaysia wrote:
Yuri Bezmenov warned us about what might happen if we don't pay attention and resist.

This is what communism looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4MtuduiM7Y

And here's what communism in America might look like in the future: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/str ... em-harvard

They should've included From the River to the Sea to the list of slogans. Columbia U was just the start.

Communism is a religion just like Islam, and I'm opposed to religion in principle. Being an atheist does not immunize one from mindless dogma and irrationality. People literally worship Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Xi Jinping, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un as their lords and saviors. Never mind what the texts say, although those can be important too if one wishes to infer what these followers believe. Instead, pay close attention to what the adherents of communism are doing, what they are saying and how they behave in certain situations. The same rule applies to Islam.

Communism is the legitimization of theft and envy. Rather than minimize income inequality, communism has only maximized it. China is extremely unequal today. In China, the rich treat the poor so much worse than they do in the capitalist and democratic West. The Cultural Revolution has totally erased traditional Chinese values and social mores, which have been preserved in none other than Taiwan where people are extremely polite and people actually look out for one another as part of a tightly-knit community.

As a result of the extremely bloody and democidal Cultural Revolution and its associated struggle sessions, basic moral decency has gone out the window. Communist ideology has made people in China much more greedy, shallow, rude and selfish than they normally would be in the absence of communism, and who can blame them? The incentive structure has been completely upended by the CCP. Under communism, the only way to get ahead in life is to lie, cheat and steal. But don't get too successful and boast about it, or you might just incur the wrath of the guy at the very top of the food chain: Xi Jinping. Jack Ma learned his lesson the hard way. Meanwhile, several top Chinese ministers have mysteriously vanished in recent months. Russia appears to have gone the same way and seems unable to recover even 33 years after the end of communist rule.

Communism is tyranny and cultural genocide. In Hong Kong, we have the draconian National Security Law, Article 23, and Mainland Chinese flooding into Hong Kong and eroding the city's language, culture and traditions. I would know. I've been there countless times and I've watched the city change for the worse. In some situations, I can actually hear more Mandarin being spoken by Mainland tourists and residents than the local Cantonese language. It's absolutely surreal. Traditional HK-style coffee shops are closing down one by one. Hong Kong is dying thanks to communism.

Communism has an established track record of homophobia and transphobia. In China, in recent years, there has been a concerted crackdown on LGBT+ activism, feminist activism, in fact, any kind of activism that is perceived to threaten the Party's grip on power in any conceivable way. Communism can be really bad for your health if you're gay. The USSR and China actively persecuted gays and lesbians during Mao and Stalin's time. Being gay was considered a "counter-revolutionary, bourgeois, Western lifestyle". Communist attitudes toward LGBT people have, at times, closely mirrored traditional Christian and Muslim attitudes for much of their history. Gays in China were not nearly as oppressed before 1949 as they were after 1949, at least until Mao's death in 1976. Homosexuality was only mildly stigmatized for most of Chinese history. Queers for Communism is like Chickens for KFC.

Communism is antisemitism. The USSR gave us left-wing antisemitism, which informs much of the modern-day Left's obsessive hatred of Jews and Israel long after the USSR's demise. Meanwhile, the CCP brokered a "peace deal" between Saudi Arabia and Iran, weakening America's influence in the region and making the genocidal atrocities of Oct. 7 far more likely (in combination with president Biden's weakness on foreign policy).

Communism gave us covid, an artificially-engineered virus that was a key part of gain-of-function research sponsored by Peter Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance and funded by none other than "Dr." Anthony Fauci himself. The virus eventually leaked from a BSL-2 lab in Wuhan in biosecurity conditions considered to be insufficient to handle such a dangerous pathogen, under the supervision of the CCP, then the leak was covered up and a whistleblower, Dr. Li Wenliang, was silenced (and died) until it was far too late. The rest is history. China must pay reparations to the rest of the world for giving us all covid. In the absence of democracy with its checks and balances, and the transparency and accountability that come with it, communism could literally doom us all to extinction if left unchecked.

Communism is a threat to basic civil liberties. The CCP has presided over the emergence of an unbelievably totalitarian, high-tech surveillance apparatus manifesting as a record number of CCTV cameras in every street and in every room in every building equipped with facial recognition and other dystopian A.I. technologies, and a social credit score that controls what services you can and can't access. I was in China recently, I'm ashamed to admit. The number of CCTV cameras both indoors and outdoors is simply mindblowing.

Communism features a total disregard for the safety and privacy of children. In China, the CCP limits the number of hours minors can play online games and tracks their activity in real time.

Communism gave us the Uighur genocide, the ongoing persecution of the Falun Gong, the ongoing occupation of Tibet, the Holodomor, the Great Leap Forward, the harvesting of the organs of political dissidents and the extremely murderous Cultural Revolution as I mentioned before. In Soviet Russia, people actually lined up for food, something Moscow went to great pains to accuse Americans of doing.

Marxism-Leninism is the brainchild of a literal, natural-born Type I psychopath: Vladimir Lenin. The spread of communism in Russia was responsible for his rise to power and his genocidal reign of terror. Lenin sought to kill as many people as he could using any excuse he could find, making him even more evil than Stalin, Mao and perhaps even Hitler, contrary to popular perception, especially in Seattle where a statue of Lenin shamefully stands. Unlike Stalin, Mao and Hitler, Type II psychopaths who were shaped by their abusive environment, Lenin did not have an abusive father. He was "born this way". Even members of his own family were shocked and disgusted by his long history of disturbing behavior both as a child and as a young man. Marxism-Leninism is objectively worse than Nazism. In the West, Marxism-Leninism is thankfully just tankies who openly shill for communist regimes past and present.

Communism is colonialism and imperialism. It gave us the Iron Curtain, the Cold War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Cambodian Genocide and numerous proxy wars and instability across Asia, Africa and Latin America.

Nowadays, the CCP, Kim Jong Un of North Korea and Raul Castro of Cuba continue to defile our planet with their communist misrule. We also have Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela, Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua and other aspiring far-left dictators across Latin America, a shameful legacy of the so-called "pink wave".


Free Hong Kong. Free China. Down with the CCP. Down with Xi Jinping.

“Objectively worse than Nazism” is a wild take. In fact, a lot of this post is wild, and this is coming from a skeptic of communism.

Also, the fact that there is another thread for this is sad.
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Postby HISPIDA » Tue May 28, 2024 4:27 pm

Liberal Malaysia wrote:
Yuri Bezmenov warned us about what might happen if we don't pay attention and resist.

This is what communism looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4MtuduiM7Y

And here's what communism in America might look like in the future: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/str ... em-harvard

They should've included From the River to the Sea to the list of slogans. Columbia U was just the start.

Communism is a religion just like Islam, and I'm opposed to religion in principle. Being an atheist does not immunize one from mindless dogma and irrationality. People literally worship Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Xi Jinping, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un as their lords and saviors. Never mind what the texts say, although those can be important too if one wishes to infer what these followers believe. Instead, pay close attention to what the adherents of communism are doing, what they are saying and how they behave in certain situations. The same rule applies to Islam.

Communism is the legitimization of theft and envy. Rather than minimize income inequality, communism has only maximized it. China is extremely unequal today. In China, the rich treat the poor so much worse than they do in the capitalist and democratic West. The Cultural Revolution has totally erased traditional Chinese values and social mores, which have been preserved in none other than Taiwan where people are extremely polite and people actually look out for one another as part of a tightly-knit community.

As a result of the extremely bloody and democidal Cultural Revolution and its associated struggle sessions, basic moral decency has gone out the window. Communist ideology has made people in China much more greedy, shallow, rude and selfish than they normally would be in the absence of communism, and who can blame them? The incentive structure has been completely upended by the CCP. Under communism, the only way to get ahead in life is to lie, cheat and steal. But don't get too successful and boast about it, or you might just incur the wrath of the guy at the very top of the food chain: Xi Jinping. Jack Ma learned his lesson the hard way. Meanwhile, several top Chinese ministers have mysteriously vanished in recent months. Russia appears to have gone the same way and seems unable to recover even 33 years after the end of communist rule.

Communism is tyranny and cultural genocide. In Hong Kong, we have the draconian National Security Law, Article 23, and Mainland Chinese flooding into Hong Kong and eroding the city's language, culture and traditions. I would know. I've been there countless times and I've watched the city change for the worse. In some situations, I can actually hear more Mandarin being spoken by Mainland tourists and residents than the local Cantonese language. It's absolutely surreal. Traditional HK-style coffee shops are closing down one by one. Hong Kong is dying thanks to communism.

Communism has an established track record of homophobia and transphobia. In China, in recent years, there has been a concerted crackdown on LGBT+ activism, feminist activism, in fact, any kind of activism that is perceived to threaten the Party's grip on power in any conceivable way. Communism can be really bad for your health if you're gay. The USSR and China actively persecuted gays and lesbians during Mao and Stalin's time. Being gay was considered a "counter-revolutionary, bourgeois, Western lifestyle". Communist attitudes toward LGBT people have, at times, closely mirrored traditional Christian and Muslim attitudes for much of their history. Gays in China were not nearly as oppressed before 1949 as they were after 1949, at least until Mao's death in 1976. Homosexuality was only mildly stigmatized for most of Chinese history. Queers for Communism is like Chickens for KFC.

Communism is antisemitism. The USSR gave us left-wing antisemitism, which informs much of the modern-day Left's obsessive hatred of Jews and Israel long after the USSR's demise. Meanwhile, the CCP brokered a "peace deal" between Saudi Arabia and Iran, weakening America's influence in the region and making the genocidal atrocities of Oct. 7 far more likely (in combination with president Biden's weakness on foreign policy).

Communism gave us covid, an artificially-engineered virus that was a key part of gain-of-function research sponsored by Peter Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance and funded by none other than "Dr." Anthony Fauci himself. The virus eventually leaked from a BSL-2 lab in Wuhan in biosecurity conditions considered to be insufficient to handle such a dangerous pathogen, under the supervision of the CCP, then the leak was covered up and a whistleblower, Dr. Li Wenliang, was silenced (and died) until it was far too late. The rest is history. China must pay reparations to the rest of the world for giving us all covid. In the absence of democracy with its checks and balances, and the transparency and accountability that come with it, communism could literally doom us all to extinction if left unchecked.

Communism is a threat to basic civil liberties. The CCP has presided over the emergence of an unbelievably totalitarian, high-tech surveillance apparatus manifesting as a record number of CCTV cameras in every street and in every room in every building equipped with facial recognition and other dystopian A.I. technologies, and a social credit score that controls what services you can and can't access. I was in China recently, I'm ashamed to admit. The number of CCTV cameras both indoors and outdoors is simply mindblowing.

Communism features a total disregard for the safety and privacy of children. In China, the CCP limits the number of hours minors can play online games and tracks their activity in real time.

Communism gave us the Uighur genocide, the ongoing persecution of the Falun Gong, the ongoing occupation of Tibet, the Holodomor, the Great Leap Forward, the harvesting of the organs of political dissidents and the extremely murderous Cultural Revolution as I mentioned before. In Soviet Russia, people actually lined up for food, something Moscow went to great pains to accuse Americans of doing.

Marxism-Leninism is the brainchild of a literal, natural-born Type I psychopath: Vladimir Lenin. The spread of communism in Russia was responsible for his rise to power and his genocidal reign of terror. Lenin sought to kill as many people as he could using any excuse he could find, making him even more evil than Stalin, Mao and perhaps even Hitler, contrary to popular perception, especially in Seattle where a statue of Lenin shamefully stands. Unlike Stalin, Mao and Hitler, Type II psychopaths who were shaped by their abusive environment, Lenin did not have an abusive father. He was "born this way". Even members of his own family were shocked and disgusted by his long history of disturbing behavior both as a child and as a young man. Marxism-Leninism is objectively worse than Nazism. In the West, Marxism-Leninism is thankfully just tankies who openly shill for communist regimes past and present.

Communism is colonialism and imperialism. It gave us the Iron Curtain, the Cold War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Cambodian Genocide and numerous proxy wars and instability across Asia, Africa and Latin America.

Nowadays, the CCP, Kim Jong Un of North Korea and Raul Castro of Cuba continue to defile our planet with their communist misrule. We also have Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela, Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua and other aspiring far-left dictators across Latin America, a shameful legacy of the so-called "pink wave".


Free Hong Kong. Free China. Down with the CCP. Down with Xi Jinping.

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Postby Krimya » Tue May 28, 2024 4:30 pm

Communism is very bad in my opinion. Not only have most communist governments failed or are in bankruptcy and poverty, but also have an extremely bad economic system. It is also extremely autocratic and has only one party along with the most hideous architecture I have ever seen. With religion also being banned, it basically removes your rights and corrupts the country into a state of depression and failure.
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Postby Repreteop » Tue May 28, 2024 5:01 pm

Galactic Powers wrote:
Liberal Malaysia wrote:
Yuri Bezmenov warned us about what might happen if we don't pay attention and resist.

This is what communism looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4MtuduiM7Y

And here's what communism in America might look like in the future: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/str ... em-harvard

They should've included From the River to the Sea to the list of slogans. Columbia U was just the start.

Communism is a religion just like Islam, and I'm opposed to religion in principle. Being an atheist does not immunize one from mindless dogma and irrationality. People literally worship Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Xi Jinping, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un as their lords and saviors. Never mind what the texts say, although those can be important too if one wishes to infer what these followers believe. Instead, pay close attention to what the adherents of communism are doing, what they are saying and how they behave in certain situations. The same rule applies to Islam.

Communism is the legitimization of theft and envy. Rather than minimize income inequality, communism has only maximized it. China is extremely unequal today. In China, the rich treat the poor so much worse than they do in the capitalist and democratic West. The Cultural Revolution has totally erased traditional Chinese values and social mores, which have been preserved in none other than Taiwan where people are extremely polite and people actually look out for one another as part of a tightly-knit community.

As a result of the extremely bloody and democidal Cultural Revolution and its associated struggle sessions, basic moral decency has gone out the window. Communist ideology has made people in China much more greedy, shallow, rude and selfish than they normally would be in the absence of communism, and who can blame them? The incentive structure has been completely upended by the CCP. Under communism, the only way to get ahead in life is to lie, cheat and steal. But don't get too successful and boast about it, or you might just incur the wrath of the guy at the very top of the food chain: Xi Jinping. Jack Ma learned his lesson the hard way. Meanwhile, several top Chinese ministers have mysteriously vanished in recent months. Russia appears to have gone the same way and seems unable to recover even 33 years after the end of communist rule.

Communism is tyranny and cultural genocide. In Hong Kong, we have the draconian National Security Law, Article 23, and Mainland Chinese flooding into Hong Kong and eroding the city's language, culture and traditions. I would know. I've been there countless times and I've watched the city change for the worse. In some situations, I can actually hear more Mandarin being spoken by Mainland tourists and residents than the local Cantonese language. It's absolutely surreal. Traditional HK-style coffee shops are closing down one by one. Hong Kong is dying thanks to communism.

Communism has an established track record of homophobia and transphobia. In China, in recent years, there has been a concerted crackdown on LGBT+ activism, feminist activism, in fact, any kind of activism that is perceived to threaten the Party's grip on power in any conceivable way. Communism can be really bad for your health if you're gay. The USSR and China actively persecuted gays and lesbians during Mao and Stalin's time. Being gay was considered a "counter-revolutionary, bourgeois, Western lifestyle". Communist attitudes toward LGBT people have, at times, closely mirrored traditional Christian and Muslim attitudes for much of their history. Gays in China were not nearly as oppressed before 1949 as they were after 1949, at least until Mao's death in 1976. Homosexuality was only mildly stigmatized for most of Chinese history. Queers for Communism is like Chickens for KFC.

Communism is antisemitism. The USSR gave us left-wing antisemitism, which informs much of the modern-day Left's obsessive hatred of Jews and Israel long after the USSR's demise. Meanwhile, the CCP brokered a "peace deal" between Saudi Arabia and Iran, weakening America's influence in the region and making the genocidal atrocities of Oct. 7 far more likely (in combination with president Biden's weakness on foreign policy).

Communism gave us covid, an artificially-engineered virus that was a key part of gain-of-function research sponsored by Peter Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance and funded by none other than "Dr." Anthony Fauci himself. The virus eventually leaked from a BSL-2 lab in Wuhan in biosecurity conditions considered to be insufficient to handle such a dangerous pathogen, under the supervision of the CCP, then the leak was covered up and a whistleblower, Dr. Li Wenliang, was silenced (and died) until it was far too late. The rest is history. China must pay reparations to the rest of the world for giving us all covid. In the absence of democracy with its checks and balances, and the transparency and accountability that come with it, communism could literally doom us all to extinction if left unchecked.

Communism is a threat to basic civil liberties. The CCP has presided over the emergence of an unbelievably totalitarian, high-tech surveillance apparatus manifesting as a record number of CCTV cameras in every street and in every room in every building equipped with facial recognition and other dystopian A.I. technologies, and a social credit score that controls what services you can and can't access. I was in China recently, I'm ashamed to admit. The number of CCTV cameras both indoors and outdoors is simply mindblowing.

Communism features a total disregard for the safety and privacy of children. In China, the CCP limits the number of hours minors can play online games and tracks their activity in real time.

Communism gave us the Uighur genocide, the ongoing persecution of the Falun Gong, the ongoing occupation of Tibet, the Holodomor, the Great Leap Forward, the harvesting of the organs of political dissidents and the extremely murderous Cultural Revolution as I mentioned before. In Soviet Russia, people actually lined up for food, something Moscow went to great pains to accuse Americans of doing.

Marxism-Leninism is the brainchild of a literal, natural-born Type I psychopath: Vladimir Lenin. The spread of communism in Russia was responsible for his rise to power and his genocidal reign of terror. Lenin sought to kill as many people as he could using any excuse he could find, making him even more evil than Stalin, Mao and perhaps even Hitler, contrary to popular perception, especially in Seattle where a statue of Lenin shamefully stands. Unlike Stalin, Mao and Hitler, Type II psychopaths who were shaped by their abusive environment, Lenin did not have an abusive father. He was "born this way". Even members of his own family were shocked and disgusted by his long history of disturbing behavior both as a child and as a young man. Marxism-Leninism is objectively worse than Nazism. In the West, Marxism-Leninism is thankfully just tankies who openly shill for communist regimes past and present.

Communism is colonialism and imperialism. It gave us the Iron Curtain, the Cold War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Cambodian Genocide and numerous proxy wars and instability across Asia, Africa and Latin America.

Nowadays, the CCP, Kim Jong Un of North Korea and Raul Castro of Cuba continue to defile our planet with their communist misrule. We also have Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela, Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua and other aspiring far-left dictators across Latin America, a shameful legacy of the so-called "pink wave".


Free Hong Kong. Free China. Down with the CCP. Down with Xi Jinping.

“Objectively worse than Nazism” is a wild take. In fact, a lot of this post is wild, and this is coming from a skeptic of communism.

Also, the fact that there is another thread for this is sad.


Communism is a economic ideology, which leaves the door open for hardline Stalinists and freedom loving Anarcho Communists. Nazism is a socio-political ideology which hardly makes room for any improvement (as if you could improve it :blink:) and isn't a broad term. Most of the communists I've met wouldn't be proud of Stalin's raping and pillaging during WWII, but most Nazis (which I don't hang around with, I'm literally Jewish) would endorse what Hitler did during the entirety of WWII, including the final solution.

I wouldn't take most of what Liberal Malaysia says, i mean, they forgot that Raul Castro hasn't had any form of executive leadership over Cuba since 2021...
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Postby Theodorable » Tue May 28, 2024 7:04 pm

Liberal Malaysia wrote:
Yuri Bezmenov warned us about what might happen if we don't pay attention and resist.

This is what communism looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4MtuduiM7Y

And here's what communism in America might look like in the future: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/str ... em-harvard

They should've included From the River to the Sea to the list of slogans. Columbia U was just the start.

Communism is a religion just like Islam, and I'm opposed to religion in principle. Being an atheist does not immunize one from mindless dogma and irrationality. People literally worship Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Xi Jinping, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un as their lords and saviors. Never mind what the texts say, although those can be important too if one wishes to infer what these followers believe. Instead, pay close attention to what the adherents of communism are doing, what they are saying and how they behave in certain situations. The same rule applies to Islam.

Communism is the legitimization of theft and envy. Rather than minimize income inequality, communism has only maximized it. China is extremely unequal today. In China, the rich treat the poor so much worse than they do in the capitalist and democratic West. The Cultural Revolution has totally erased traditional Chinese values and social mores, which have been preserved in none other than Taiwan where people are extremely polite and people actually look out for one another as part of a tightly-knit community.

As a result of the extremely bloody and democidal Cultural Revolution and its associated struggle sessions, basic moral decency has gone out the window. Communist ideology has made people in China much more greedy, shallow, rude and selfish than they normally would be in the absence of communism, and who can blame them? The incentive structure has been completely upended by the CCP. Under communism, the only way to get ahead in life is to lie, cheat and steal. But don't get too successful and boast about it, or you might just incur the wrath of the guy at the very top of the food chain: Xi Jinping. Jack Ma learned his lesson the hard way. Meanwhile, several top Chinese ministers have mysteriously vanished in recent months. Russia appears to have gone the same way and seems unable to recover even 33 years after the end of communist rule.

Communism is tyranny and cultural genocide. In Hong Kong, we have the draconian National Security Law, Article 23, and Mainland Chinese flooding into Hong Kong and eroding the city's language, culture and traditions. I would know. I've been there countless times and I've watched the city change for the worse. In some situations, I can actually hear more Mandarin being spoken by Mainland tourists and residents than the local Cantonese language. It's absolutely surreal. Traditional HK-style coffee shops are closing down one by one. Hong Kong is dying thanks to communism.

Communism has an established track record of homophobia and transphobia. In China, in recent years, there has been a concerted crackdown on LGBT+ activism, feminist activism, in fact, any kind of activism that is perceived to threaten the Party's grip on power in any conceivable way. Communism can be really bad for your health if you're gay. The USSR and China actively persecuted gays and lesbians during Mao and Stalin's time. Being gay was considered a "counter-revolutionary, bourgeois, Western lifestyle". Communist attitudes toward LGBT people have, at times, closely mirrored traditional Christian and Muslim attitudes for much of their history. Gays in China were not nearly as oppressed before 1949 as they were after 1949, at least until Mao's death in 1976. Homosexuality was only mildly stigmatized for most of Chinese history. Queers for Communism is like Chickens for KFC.

Communism is antisemitism. The USSR gave us left-wing antisemitism, which informs much of the modern-day Left's obsessive hatred of Jews and Israel long after the USSR's demise. Meanwhile, the CCP brokered a "peace deal" between Saudi Arabia and Iran, weakening America's influence in the region and making the genocidal atrocities of Oct. 7 far more likely (in combination with president Biden's weakness on foreign policy).

Communism gave us covid, an artificially-engineered virus that was a key part of gain-of-function research sponsored by Peter Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance and funded by none other than "Dr." Anthony Fauci himself. The virus eventually leaked from a BSL-2 lab in Wuhan in biosecurity conditions considered to be insufficient to handle such a dangerous pathogen, under the supervision of the CCP, then the leak was covered up and a whistleblower, Dr. Li Wenliang, was silenced (and died) until it was far too late. The rest is history. China must pay reparations to the rest of the world for giving us all covid. In the absence of democracy with its checks and balances, and the transparency and accountability that come with it, communism could literally doom us all to extinction if left unchecked.

Communism is a threat to basic civil liberties. The CCP has presided over the emergence of an unbelievably totalitarian, high-tech surveillance apparatus manifesting as a record number of CCTV cameras in every street and in every room in every building equipped with facial recognition and other dystopian A.I. technologies, and a social credit score that controls what services you can and can't access. I was in China recently, I'm ashamed to admit. The number of CCTV cameras both indoors and outdoors is simply mindblowing.

Communism features a total disregard for the safety and privacy of children. In China, the CCP limits the number of hours minors can play online games and tracks their activity in real time.

Communism gave us the Uighur genocide, the ongoing persecution of the Falun Gong, the ongoing occupation of Tibet, the Holodomor, the Great Leap Forward, the harvesting of the organs of political dissidents and the extremely murderous Cultural Revolution as I mentioned before. In Soviet Russia, people actually lined up for food, something Moscow went to great pains to accuse Americans of doing.

Marxism-Leninism is the brainchild of a literal, natural-born Type I psychopath: Vladimir Lenin. The spread of communism in Russia was responsible for his rise to power and his genocidal reign of terror. Lenin sought to kill as many people as he could using any excuse he could find, making him even more evil than Stalin, Mao and perhaps even Hitler, contrary to popular perception, especially in Seattle where a statue of Lenin shamefully stands. Unlike Stalin, Mao and Hitler, Type II psychopaths who were shaped by their abusive environment, Lenin did not have an abusive father. He was "born this way". Even members of his own family were shocked and disgusted by his long history of disturbing behavior both as a child and as a young man. Marxism-Leninism is objectively worse than Nazism. In the West, Marxism-Leninism is thankfully just tankies who openly shill for communist regimes past and present.

Communism is colonialism and imperialism. It gave us the Iron Curtain, the Cold War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Cambodian Genocide and numerous proxy wars and instability across Asia, Africa and Latin America.

Nowadays, the CCP, Kim Jong Un of North Korea and Raul Castro of Cuba continue to defile our planet with their communist misrule. We also have Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela, Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua and other aspiring far-left dictators across Latin America, a shameful legacy of the so-called "pink wave".


Free Hong Kong. Free China. Down with the CCP. Down with Xi Jinping.

Aren't you a radical Islamophobe with already questionable opinions? How incredibly ironic that you continue to defend the terrorist state of Israel, a state supposedly made by Jews, and then go on to suggest that communism is "worse" than Nazism. You people are fucking ridiculous. This is what happens when you get your political ideology off of memes and reddit.
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