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Is there a god(s)?

Yes. Absolutely (gnostic).
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Yes. But I do not have certainty (agnostic theist)
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I don't know. (Pure agnosticism)
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No. But I do not have certainty (agnostic atheist)
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No. (gnostic atheist)
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Is there a god?

Postby Jolthig » Fri May 24, 2024 5:43 pm

Is there a god? My answer is, I do not know. There could be one, but in terms of personal gods presented by all the world's religions and philosophies, I'm not convinced by the evidence for such existence of supposed beings. Much of the arguments presented, specifically by the three abrahmic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam as well as NRMs such as Ahmadiyya, JWism, Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day saints, just don't present convincing arguments for the existence of a personal God or two. It's just circular logic.

While I still do not deny, in comparison to my old beliefs of strict theism, that there may or may not be an intelligent force driving our universe from behind the scenes, we just have not arrived to the conclusion that there is a creator God. There some deistic movements that suspect there could be one, but they have failed to provide any convincing scientific evidence for such.

Once, such is found, I'll be the first to believe just as I had in my time of Ahmadiyya Islam of 7 years.

For those wondering how I became atheist so quickly, see here:

Jolthig wrote:I've decided that I'm going to be an agnostic atheist again but I'm still a cultural Muslim and an Islamophile.

The transitional period of me being an agnostic theist was just to help me recover from religion so I don't get consumed with emotions.

In terms of social things I still consider myself culturally a Muslim because I think those moral qualities are essential for my own morals. I don't believe in committing adultery, eating pork, drinking alcohol, or fornification. I think I can handle it because of the therapy that I have received. Personally my primary motivation for wanting to do better as a human being it's just to think of the long-term. It doesn't have to be necessarily a fear of a God that could stop me from committing the above sins. If one were to look at the statistics of society that in of itself should be enough to stop one from doing such.

And I still read the Quran for guidance as well as the hadiths for the above moral reasons.

I still won't deny the spiritual experiences of anyone but in my case I feel I don't necessarily need a personal God to worship but instead to be content with the present and the is. These have always been my beliefs deep down and knowing myself I don't want to get consumed by cognitive dissonance again.

As an alternative to prayer, I practice mindfulness. Some techniques I've learned from dialectical behaviorial therapy, the wise mind (combination of the emotional and rational minds). Hence, self-reliance.
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My personal viewpoint is that no religion or philosophy presents the absolute truth, we must strive to be the best human with the empirical knowledge we have.

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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Fri May 24, 2024 5:47 pm

I don't believe there are any gods, at least as typically defined.
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Postby Floofybit » Fri May 24, 2024 5:50 pm

There is. And a Saviour. And a way back to them and infinite joy.
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Postby Kelz Jones » Fri May 24, 2024 5:50 pm

I believe that there is only one god and that is Jesus himself lion.
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Postby Jolthig » Fri May 24, 2024 5:51 pm

Floofybit wrote:There is. And a Saviour. And a way back to them and infinite joy.

What has Christ done for you?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri May 24, 2024 5:53 pm

If there is a god, can he make Challenger rank in League?

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Postby Why Do I Need a Name » Fri May 24, 2024 5:53 pm

I would like to believe in a god, but think that their's no evidence. But I believe that humans can do good things and look out for each other regardless.

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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Fri May 24, 2024 5:55 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:If there is a god, can he make Challenger rank in League?


If said god is all-powerful, absolutely.
If not it might be more of a challenge.
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Postby Awqnia » Fri May 24, 2024 5:58 pm

I am an agnostic atheist, as I have been confused about religion for most of my life. To me, no religious book I've ever read has made complete sense. Maybe just because I'm a logical person, and I like to question things around me all the time, but aside from that I would like to quote some things from the "Kalam Cosmological Argument". Which, did kinda make sense to me when I first read, and hopefully makes sense to you. It may not talk about if God exists or not, but it does cover how our universe is not just a simple coincidence.


"Al-Ghazali was a twelfth century Muslim theologian from Persia, or modern day Iran. He was concerned that Muslim philosophers of his day were being influenced by ancient Greek philosophy to deny God’s creation of the universe. After thoroughly studying the teachings of these philosophers, Ghazali wrote a withering critique of their views entitled The Incoherence of the Philosophers. In this fascinating book, he argues that the idea of a beginningless universe is absurd. The universe must have a beginning, and since nothing begins to exist without a cause, there must be a transcendent Creator of the universe. Ghazali formulates his argument very simply: 'Every being which begins has a cause for its beginning; now the world is a being which begins; therefore, it possesses a cause for its beginning.'

Ghazali’s reasoning involves three simple steps:

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause of its beginning.

2. The universe began to exist.

3. Therefore, the universe has a cause of its beginning.

1'. If the universe began to exist, then the universe has a cause of its beginning.

Let me give three reasons in support of premise (1'):

1. Something cannot come from nothing. To claim that something can come into being from nothing is worse than magic. When a magician pulls a rabbit out of a hat, at least you’ve got the magician, not to mention the hat! But if you deny premise (1'), you’ve got to think that the whole universe just appeared at some point in the past for no reason whatsoever. But nobody sincerely believes that things, say, a horse or an Eskimo village, can just pop into being without a cause.

2. If something can come into being from nothing, then it becomes inexplicable why just anything or everything doesn’t come into being from nothing. Think about it: why don’t bicycles and Beethoven and root beer just pop into being from nothing? Why is it only universes that can come into being from nothing? What makes nothingness so discriminatory? There can’t be anything about nothingness that favors universes, for nothingness doesn’t have any properties. Nor can anything constrain nothingness, for there isn’t anything to be constrained!

3. Common experience and scientific evidence confirm the truth of premise 1'. The science of cosmogeny is based on the assumption that there are causal conditions for the origin of the universe. So it’s hard to understand how anyone committed to modern science could deny that (1') is more plausibly true than false." And quote.
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Postby Deneizsya » Fri May 24, 2024 5:58 pm

In my opinion, God is not real or all who lives on this planet is God

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Postby Floofybit » Fri May 24, 2024 5:59 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Floofybit wrote:There is. And a Saviour. And a way back to them and infinite joy.

What has Christ done for you?

He brings comfort and happiness to me. It brings me joy when I do Christlike things and read about his love for me. More joy than any other activity. When I pray to Heavenly Father, I know he is waking beside me. Days and activities always go better and I have a more positive attitude when I pray. The biggest and most important is that bled, died, and was resurrected for us, so we can have forgiveness for our mistakes and love with our families and friends in joy and harmony forever.
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Postby Why Do I Need a Name » Fri May 24, 2024 5:59 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:I don't believe there are any gods, at least as typically defined.

:)

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Postby Vive Salem » Fri May 24, 2024 6:00 pm

As for my opinion,I believe that God isn't real,and we are just believing in superstitions our ancestors believed in.
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Postby Why Do I Need a Name » Fri May 24, 2024 6:01 pm

Deneizsya wrote:all who lives on this planet is God


They must add an option for us Pantheists. (I am UU (look It up) but personally think that if anything is god, everything must be god.)

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri May 24, 2024 6:11 pm

There is no way to know. Personally though I prefer the pathway of seeking out physical explanations for features in the universe instead of resorting to the dead end mentality of "god did it", the former of which can equally be interpreted as either uncovering reality's true non-religious foundations or uncovering the deeper beauties of [a] god's work. Religion need not clash with science.
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Postby Dutch Socialist States » Fri May 24, 2024 6:14 pm

For me personally, there may be a god, there may not be a god. Also, what are we gonna define "god" as? That's a very important question.
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Postby Siluvia » Fri May 24, 2024 6:14 pm

Yes. As a Christian I have full faith and belief in God.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Fri May 24, 2024 6:15 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Jolthig wrote:What has Christ done for you?

He brings comfort and happiness to me. It brings me joy when I do Christlike things and read about his love for me. More joy than any other activity. When I pray to Heavenly Father, I know he is waking beside me. Days and activities always go better and I have a more positive attitude when I pray. The biggest and most important is that bled, died, and was resurrected for us, so we can have forgiveness for our mistakes and love with our families and friends in joy and harmony forever.


Strictly speaking, it's your belief in Christ that does that. It would bring you comfort and joy whether or not there's any validity to the belief so long as you believe it's valid.
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Postby Saltidia » Fri May 24, 2024 6:16 pm

1) As a Muslim, I believe that Allah is the one true god, none are associated with him, and Muhammad is his messenger
2) This thread will cause a minor destruction of General Discussion, I'm calling it.
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Postby Valrifall » Fri May 24, 2024 6:17 pm

Any arguments in favor of a deity or higher power inevitably fall into subjectivism, a "god of the gaps", or some other kind of non-physicality.

Arguing that there is an existence beyond our physical nature is just absurd.
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Postby Mardesurria » Fri May 24, 2024 6:18 pm

Yes, just look at the Bible. It was written by several people over thousands of years and contains many, many eyewitness reports.
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Postby Mardesurria » Fri May 24, 2024 6:19 pm

Saltidia wrote:1) As a Muslim, I believe that Allah is the one true god, none are associated with him, and Muhammad is his messenger
2) This thread will cause a minor destruction of General Discussion, I'm calling it.


Ah yes, the good old “atheism vs. religion” argument. This can happen virtually anywhere, from real life to in online fourms.
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Postby Jabberwocky » Fri May 24, 2024 6:20 pm

If there were no God, we would have to invent one.
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Postby Saltidia » Fri May 24, 2024 6:27 pm

Mardesurria wrote:
Saltidia wrote:1) As a Muslim, I believe that Allah is the one true god, none are associated with him, and Muhammad is his messenger
2) This thread will cause a minor destruction of General Discussion, I'm calling it.


Ah yes, the good old “atheism vs. religion” argument. This can happen virtually anywhere, from real life to in online fourms.

What sucks is not that religious debate, as a matter of fact it's a healthy debate for reinforcing beliefs, but sometimes it devolves into lowly insults and just has no productivity
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Postby Saltidia » Fri May 24, 2024 6:28 pm

Mardesurria wrote:Yes, just look at the Bible. It was written by several people over thousands of years and contains many, many eyewitness reports.

My problem is that if it was edited by humans, who are known for making flaws, is it truly pure?
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