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2024 Unrest in New Caledonia

Postby Kaumudeen » Tue May 21, 2024 5:50 pm

I am surprised that this has not been posted here yet, but a week ago protests and riots broke out on the French occupied territory of New Caledonia in the Pacific.
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Macron to fly to New Caledonia:
Emmanuel Macron will fly to New Caledonia on Tuesday night to "set up a mission" on the riot-hit island, France has confirmed.

France's president will travel to the island after more than a week of unrest there over his government's voting reform plans, which have been rejected by indigenous Kanaks.

Indigenous leaders say the plans, which will allow more French residents to vote in local elections, will dilute the political influence of native people.

No details about how long Mr Macron plans to stay on the island or what he will be doing there have been given.

Prime Minister Gabriel Attal will also visit the French Pacific territory in the coming weeks, a spokesperson has said.

"Faced with the outbreak of violence, the priority is the return of order to allow dialogue to resume in New Caledonia," said Prisca Thevenot.

She added that while calm was returning, things were not fully back to normal.

Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said he had "spoken with all economic players to build the support of the state", pointing to looting and destruction of property on the island.

On Monday night, the French president told his defence and security council that hundreds of troops sent from France had made progress in restoring order, but would need to stay in New Caledonia for some time.

Australia and New Zealand have begun flying civilians away from the territory.

France's High Commission in New Caledonia said on Tuesday the airport remained closed for commercial flights, and it would deploy the military to protect public buildings.

French gendarmes trying to take back control of the 60km (37 mile) road between Nouméa and La Tontouta international "neutralised" 76 roadblocks and were clearing debris such as burnt-out vehicles, the High Commission also said.

AFP journalists said the roadblocks had been rebuilt by pro-independence Kanak activists.

A masked 25-year-old who gave only his first name Stanley, said the proposed voting reform "means the elimination of the Kanak people".

"That's what they don't understand over there - we are already in the minority in our own home," he told AFP.

Australia's government has estimated that about 3,200 people are waiting to leave or enter New Caledonia, and it has warned people not to try and get to the airport as the route there “is not yet considered safe”.

Four civilians - including at least three indigenous Kanak residents - have been killed in riots along with two police officers.

Dozens more have been injured and more than 200 people arrested so far.

France has declared a state of emergency and deployed its military to the territory's ports and international airport.

New Caledonia has been a French territory since the mid-1800s.



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Pictures of New Caledonia unrest.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue May 21, 2024 8:37 pm

A mess to say the least, I've seen some stuff abouyt it in the news, but I thought it was already up here, and I didn't understand all the reasons why as of yet.

Now I understand a little more, and I can say...it's a mess. Ostensibly, the Noumea Accords did come to an end with the 2021 vote...but the pro-independence side boycotted the vote. On the other hand, they were almost certain to lose the vote, too. So on the whole, they did make their choice, so thawing the electorate does make sense, provided there are safeguards in place to ensure continue Kanak representation, something the Metropole will have to figure out.
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Postby Based Illinois » Tue May 21, 2024 10:23 pm

I cant believe how bigoted the Kanaks are. Don't they know that becoming a minority in their own homeland which actually strengthen and culturally enrich then? Macron should immediately start sending thousands of French people to live in Kanak communities right now.

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Postby Kerwa » Tue May 21, 2024 10:37 pm

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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Wed May 22, 2024 12:23 am

Reminds me of my own country and the racism and xenophobia displayed toward minorities like us by the Malay-Muslim majority. I'm siding with the French and the European descendants on this one due to a shared experience between my people and the ethnic French. According to Wikipedia, New Caledonians of European descent are referred to as Caldoches. Many of them were brought to the colony as convicts and didn't have a choice, while those who settled freely appear to have done so peacefully without committing any atrocities or injustices against the natives. Their only crime was to immigrate peacefully or be brought to the islands against their will. In this sense, they have more in common with my people than with, say, French slavers in Haiti. I see no reason why they should be expelled or denied political equality.

The riots seem to be motivated more by racial hatred and xenophobia than a sense of "social injustice". The French authorities must do more to protect the Caldoches from genocidal pogroms and massacres and restore order. As for the final status of New Caledonia, I can't see things ending well for the Caldoches or the local economy in the event of independence.

Like many countries that have gained independence over the past century, time and time again, native-run governments have ended up discriminating against minorities, running their own economies to the ground and starving their own people, even as they blame the West for their own mismanagement and corruption. An independent New Caledonia would likely be no exception. With the notable exceptions of Israel (which is part of the reason why they're so hated), South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore, such "post-colonial" societies tend to be driven by geopolitical envy and race-based socialism, my own country included.

Therefore, New Caledonia should remain in French hands. Only Paris can guarantee racial equality and prevent a genocide from taking place. The natives must learn that they can, in fact, overcome adversity and prosper. They must overcome this imported progressive socialist siren song of "social injustice" and "anti-imperialism" and stop thinking of themselves as perennial "victims", or they will never succeed in life. Yes, this means taking responsibility when things go wrong instead of scapegoating the West and persecuting minorities endlessly. Only then can their countries be as successful as Singapore and Israel.

Coincidentally, the word "kanak" means "child" in Malay. The Kanaks are also related to the Malays.
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Postby Turenia » Wed May 22, 2024 12:31 am

Just imagine if a European nation had violent riots perpetrated by people who want to restrict the voting rights of foreigners - they would rightly be criticized as extremists. Besides, I'm quite sure that this territory has voted against independence two or three times. Additionally, these riots are being supported by Azerbaijan.

There must be an iron fist response to the riots, and they must be suppressed.
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Postby Risottia » Wed May 22, 2024 12:32 am

"We want independence referendum!"
"OK"
"We want three of them!"
"OK"
"We don't want whiteys to vote in them even if they live here!"
"Ok"
Majority of electors at referendum 1: "We want to be French"
Majority of electors at referendum 2: "We want to be French"
"OMG WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED LET'S BOYCOTT THE REFERENDUM"
Majority of electors at referendum 3: "We want to be French"
"REFERENDUM NOT VALID BECAUSE WE BOYCOTTED IT"
international court: "let's stop with the discrimination against some voters shall we"
"HURR HURR WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED BY FRANCE LET'S PILLAGE THE PLACE! NO PATIENCE FOR WHITES!"

Fuck what, dudes?
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Postby Turenia » Wed May 22, 2024 12:33 am

Risottia wrote:Fuck what, dudes?

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Postby Risottia » Wed May 22, 2024 12:33 am

Turenia wrote:Just imagine if a European nation had violent riots perpetrated by people who want to restrict the voting rights of foreigners - they would rightly be criticized as extremists. Besides, I'm quite sure that this territory has voted FOR independence two or three times. Additionally, these riots are being supported by Azerbaijan.

There must be an iron fist response to the riots, and they must be suppressed.

They voted ABOUT independence three times and the majority always voted AGAINST.
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Wed May 22, 2024 12:36 am

Risottia wrote:"We want independence referendum!"
"OK"
"We want three of them!"
"OK"
"We don't want whiteys to vote in them even if they live here!"
"Ok"
Majority of electors at referendum 1: "We want to be French"
Majority of electors at referendum 2: "We want to be French"
"OMG WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED LET'S BOYCOTT THE REFERENDUM"
Majority of electors at referendum 3: "We want to be French"
"REFERENDUM NOT VALID BECAUSE WE BOYCOTTED IT"
international court: "let's stop with the discrimination against some voters shall we"
"HURR HURR WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED BY FRANCE LET'S PILLAGE THE PLACE! NO PATIENCE FOR WHITES!"

Fuck what, dudes?

Also add in Azerbaijan emboldening the protestors as a revenge for historical French support for Armenia (largely muted now due to the presence of the only oil and gas pipeline from central asia to Europe that doesn't go through Russia being in Azerbaijan).
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Postby Turenia » Wed May 22, 2024 12:43 am

Risottia wrote:
Turenia wrote:Just imagine if a European nation had violent riots perpetrated by people who want to restrict the voting rights of foreigners - they would rightly be criticized as extremists. Besides, I'm quite sure that this territory has voted FOR independence two or three times. Additionally, these riots are being supported by Azerbaijan.

There must be an iron fist response to the riots, and they must be suppressed.

They voted ABOUT independence three times and the majority always voted AGAINST.

I'm a complete idiot, that's what I meant to type. I type like I'm experiencing a severe stroke.
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Postby Rusrunia » Wed May 22, 2024 12:55 am

Turenia wrote:Just imagine if a European nation had violent riots perpetrated by people who want to restrict the voting rights of foreigners - they would rightly be criticized as extremists. Besides, I'm quite sure that this territory has voted against independence two or three times. Additionally, these riots are being supported by Azerbaijan.

There must be an iron fist response to the riots, and they must be suppressed.

Azerbaijan? More like Russia. They want revenge
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Postby Turenia » Wed May 22, 2024 12:59 am

Rusrunia wrote:
Turenia wrote:Just imagine if a European nation had violent riots perpetrated by people who want to restrict the voting rights of foreigners - they would rightly be criticized as extremists. Besides, I'm quite sure that this territory has voted against independence two or three times. Additionally, these riots are being supported by Azerbaijan.

There must be an iron fist response to the riots, and they must be suppressed.

Azerbaijan? More like Russia. They want revenge

It's really more like Azerbaijan, in this case. Pictures of demonstrations show Azerbaijani flags being flown.
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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Wed May 22, 2024 1:05 am

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024 ... -caledonia

So the current instability is being fomented by a genocidal Muslim dictatorship? This changes everything. How petty and vindictive do they have to be to incite racial violence in a far-flung colony? They're the ones who are ethnically cleansing Armenian Christians from Nagorno-Karabakh and replacing them with Azeri Muslim settler-colonialists, and gloating about it on national television. They're the imperialists and the colonialists. Now I definitely support the French.
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Postby New haven america » Wed May 22, 2024 1:07 am

"French occupied New Caledonia."

3 independence referendums in a row say differently.
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Postby Turenia » Wed May 22, 2024 1:15 am

New haven america wrote:"French occupied New Caledonia."

3 independence referendums in a row say differently.

We are dealing with strident ethnic extremists.
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Postby Kaumudeen » Wed May 22, 2024 3:04 am

New haven america wrote:"French occupied New Caledonia."

3 independence referendums in a row say differently.


Doesn't help that the French have been settling in New Caledonia trying to outnumber the Kanaks and that the last referendum was boycotted by separatists. Besides, France has been known to intimidate locals in to voting to remain part of France.

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Also add in Azerbaijan emboldening the protestors as a revenge for historical French support for Armenia (largely muted now due to the presence of the only oil and gas pipeline from central asia to Europe that doesn't go through Russia being in Azerbaijan).


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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Wed May 22, 2024 6:52 am

Kaumudeen wrote:
New haven america wrote:"French occupied New Caledonia."

3 independence referendums in a row say differently.


Doesn't help that the French have been settling in New Caledonia trying to outnumber the Kanaks and that the last referendum was boycotted by separatists. Besides, France has been known to intimidate locals in to voting to remain part of France.
Separatist side didn't boycott the two referendums prior to that and French people weren't able to vote in any of them. Fact is this: independence is not popular in New Caledonia and so the separatists, emboldened by one of the worst regimes in Europe, are turning to criminality and intimidation to get their own way.
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Postby Kaumudeen » Wed May 22, 2024 3:55 pm

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Kaumudeen wrote:
Doesn't help that the French have been settling in New Caledonia trying to outnumber the Kanaks and that the last referendum was boycotted by separatists. Besides, France has been known to intimidate locals in to voting to remain part of France.
Separatist side didn't boycott the two referendums prior to that and French people weren't able to vote in any of them. Fact is this: independence is not popular in New Caledonia and so the separatists, emboldened by one of the worst regimes in Europe, are turning to criminality and intimidation to get their own way.


Independence is not popular because the French have filled the island with settlers and because of intimidation of the locals by the security forces. Yes, the separatists have been emboldened by the violence of one of the worst regimes in Europe: France.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Wed May 22, 2024 4:05 pm

Explainer: What New Caledonia riots mean for the nickel industry (Reuters)
PARIS, May 22 (Reuters) - A wave of civil unrest in New Caledonia, a French overseas territory in the southern Pacific that is a leading nickel producer, has halted mining operations and supported a rally in prices for the metal.

Here's why New Caledonia's nickel industry matters politically and on global markets.

HOW BIG IS NEW CALEDONIA'S NICKEL SECTOR AND WHO RUNS IT?

New Caledonia holds the world's fifth largest reserves of nickel, a metal mainly used in stainless steel and increasingly for electric vehicle batteries, and in 2023 ranked No. 3 globally in terms of mined nickel.

The archipelago's nickel mining industry dates back to the 19th century when the territory and its indigenous Kanak population were colonised by France.

New Caledonia's three main nickel companies are Koniambo Nickel SAS (KNS), Prony Resources New Caledonia (PRNC) and Societe Le Nickel (SLN). Each supplies its own processing plant. Together they generate around 13,000 direct and indirect jobs, according to the authorities.

KNS is owned by New Caledonia's northern province and global miner and trader Glencore (GLEN.L), PRNC has several shareholders including commodity merchant Trafigura, while SLN - New Caledonia's historic nickel producer - is majority owned by French mining group Eramet (ERMT.PA).

WHAT IMPACT HAS THE UNREST HAD ON THE NICKEL INDUSTRY?

Most mines have stopped operating, while SLN has reported fire damage to a conveyor at one mine. SLN has also reduced output to minimum capacity at its processing plant.

The unrest supported a rally in benchmark nickel prices on the London Metal Exchange to nine-month highs, before prices fell back. Reduced New Caledonian output could erode a global surplus.

New Caledonian output was below full capacity before the riots and analysts expect prices to be capped longer term by continuing growth in Indonesian supply.

KNS' mine and processing plant have been idled since February and persistent disruption to SLN's mines has curbed its capacity.

WHY IS NEW CALEDONIA'S NICKEL SECTOR STRUGGLING?

The three miners lost money almost continuously over the past decade. They have relied on financial support from private shareholders and the French state, with the latter providing 700 million euros ($759 million) over 2016-2023.

High energy and labour costs in the remote territory have dogged the miners, while technical setbacks have also hurt output.
New Caledonia faces tough competition from cheaper suppliers. Indonesia has rapidly emerged as a nickel powerhouse, accounting for over half of nickel mined worldwide in 2023.

New Caledonia's political tensions have shaped the industry. The pro-independence northern province opposes exports of unrefined nickel ore and has had long-running permit disputes with SLN, which wants to expand ore shipments.

The industry teetered on the verge of collapse last year when global prices plunged and after both Eramet and Glencore said they would no longer inject funds.

The French government has been negotiating a rescue package, including a commitment to provide metal to Europe's battery supply chain. But talks have stalled amid the souring relations between pro-independence and loyalist parties.

The proposals include hundreds of millions of euros of public loans and energy subsidies along with a revamp of mining permits, exports and energy infrastructure.

WILL THE SECTOR FIND NEW INVESTORS?

Glencore and Prony are both trying to sell stakes in their respective companies.

Even before the unrest, analysts saw headwinds.

"It's difficult to put any names on potential investors," said Nikhil Shah at consultancy CRU. Concerns over supply-chain reliance on Indonesia might help maintain interest in New Caledonian nickel, he added.

KNS' plant has been plagued by engineering issues but if resolved it could leverage an efficient mine and port, mining consultant Didier Julienne said.

Glencore has idled its KNS plant for six months while it seeks a buyer for its 49% stake.

KNS told Reuters by email that a possible extension of the period was being studied but that this was unrelated to the unrest. Glencore said in an emailed statement: "The sale process remains ongoing. We have no plans to extend it."

PRNC told Reuters in April that it sought a core investor to acquire a 74% interest by buying out shareholders including Trafigura. The group was relaunched in 2021 when Brazil's Vale (VALE3.SA) sold the business. A contract with Tesla (TSLA.O) heralded a focus on EV batteries.

Eramet has said it will provide ongoing operational support for SLN after a deal with Paris to convert debt. A spokesperson said there were no discussions to sell SLN.
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Postby Turenia » Wed May 22, 2024 4:19 pm

Kaumudeen wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Separatist side didn't boycott the two referendums prior to that and French people weren't able to vote in any of them. Fact is this: independence is not popular in New Caledonia and so the separatists, emboldened by one of the worst regimes in Europe, are turning to criminality and intimidation to get their own way.


Independence is not popular because the French have filled the island with settlers and because of intimidation of the locals by the security forces. Yes, the separatists have been emboldened by the violence of one of the worst regimes in Europe: France.

What kind of nonsense is this?
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Postby New haven america » Wed May 22, 2024 5:27 pm

Kaumudeen wrote:
New haven america wrote:"French occupied New Caledonia."

3 independence referendums in a row say differently.


Doesn't help that the French have been settling in New Caledonia trying to outnumber the Kanaks and that the last referendum was boycotted by separatists. Besides, France has been known to intimidate locals in to voting to remain part of France.

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Also add in Azerbaijan emboldening the protestors as a revenge for historical French support for Armenia (largely muted now due to the presence of the only oil and gas pipeline from central asia to Europe that doesn't go through Russia being in Azerbaijan).


Very cool Azerbaijan! Well done!

The Kanaks literally called for a referendum only they could vote in, France allowed it, and they still voted to remain.

Yep, real occupier shit, give your "Subjects" the right to decide and they still stick wit- wait...
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Postby Risottia » Thu May 23, 2024 12:29 am

Turenia wrote:What kind of nonsense is this?

Islamofascist ramblings from Azeris who support the extermination of Armenians for the major crime of them being Christians.
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