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[R] Israel thread

Postby Juristonia » Tue May 21, 2024 3:41 am

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Whole post is.. something, and I'm guessing they're doing a bit, but calling for the termination of people seems especially excessive.

UNRWA must be completely disbanded and its key members arrested or terminated by the IDF for colluding with Hamas.
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Postby Floppa Lovers » Tue May 21, 2024 8:37 am

Liberal Malaysia wrote:Almost forgot the Ivy League. A number of Ivy League universities and other universities elsewhere have capitulated and made one-sided concessions to the pro-Hamas mob. They must be defunded, sanctioned and boycotted too. I've already covered the pro-Hamas campus riots and insurrections in an earlier post. Expel these students and deport them if they are foreigners. Do not hire them. There must be consequences for their hateful conduct. Arrest them and charge them if they are found to be colluding in some way with Hamas, Iran or other proscribed terror or state terror groups.


Bold is mine. Just wanted to err on the side of caution.

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Postby Nu Elysium » Tue May 21, 2024 8:50 am

There's also this, bolding mine:
UNRWA must be completely disbanded and its key members arrested or terminated by the IDF for colluding with Hamas

Sounds like advocating for death to me.
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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Tue May 21, 2024 11:10 am

Juristonia wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=41613951#p41613951

Whole post is.. something, and I'm guessing they're doing a bit, but calling for the termination of people seems especially excessive.

UNRWA must be completely disbanded and its key members arrested or terminated by the IDF for colluding with Hamas.


Members of UNRWA have been identified as members of Hamas. That makes them legitimate military targets IMO. That's who I was referring to. Plus, I said that key members may also be arrested rather than terminated. For instance, the head of UNRWA should be arrested, whereas those who participated in the Oct. 7 atrocities should be killed by the IDF as enemy combatants. This is a warzone.

Are you saying it's trolling to call for the IDF to kill terrorists in military operations? And in what way is my post "something"?
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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Tue May 21, 2024 11:17 am

Floppa Lovers wrote:
Liberal Malaysia wrote:Almost forgot the Ivy League. A number of Ivy League universities and other universities elsewhere have capitulated and made one-sided concessions to the pro-Hamas mob. They must be defunded, sanctioned and boycotted too. I've already covered the pro-Hamas campus riots and insurrections in an earlier post. Expel these students and deport them if they are foreigners. Do not hire them. There must be consequences for their hateful conduct. Arrest them and charge them if they are found to be colluding in some way with Hamas, Iran or other proscribed terror or state terror groups.


Bold is mine. Just wanted to err on the side of caution.

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Students who harass and intimidate other students should be expelled, and if they are international students, they should be deported as their student visas are no longer valid as they have been expelled.
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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Tue May 21, 2024 11:21 am



No, I'm not "doing the same thing". I'm defending myself. In fact, I was about to link to the very post you just linked to.
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Postby United Calanworie » Tue May 21, 2024 1:34 pm

Merged duplicate report threads.

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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Tue May 21, 2024 2:27 pm

I'd like to appeal this. I was referring to terrorists masquerading as aid workers, not aid workers per se. I didn't realize it was considered "trolling" to call for legitimate military targets to be targeted by an opposing military in a war zone, especially when those targets have murdered, raped and kidnapped innocent civilians. Is it trolling to call for members of the Wehrmacht to be bombed by the Allies in WWII? I don't think so. Plus, I also opened up the possibility of arrests rather than airstrikes and bombardment, giving plenty of room for a proportionate response, such as by taking prisoners of war. IIRC, "advocating death" is not considered rulebreaking in and of itself especially in reference to state actors and capital punishment. The IDF is a state actor. Am I prohibited from calling for the deaths of enemy combatants if they are considered "non-state actors"?

I'd like a second opinion please.

And how am I "treating moderation as a continuation of NSG"? I'm really not.
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Postby Juristonia » Tue May 21, 2024 2:43 pm

United Calanworie wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=549839&p=41615569#p41615569

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Postby Godular » Tue May 21, 2024 2:50 pm

Liberal Malaysia wrote:I'd like to appeal this. I was referring to terrorists masquerading as aid workers, not aid workers per se. I didn't realize it was considered "trolling" to call for legitimate military targets to be targeted by an opposing military in a war zone, especially when those targets have murdered, raped and kidnapped innocent civilians. Is it trolling to call for members of the Wehrmacht to be bombed by the Allies in WWII? I don't think so. Plus, I also opened up the possibility of arrests rather than airstrikes and bombardment, giving plenty of room for a proportionate response, such as by taking prisoners of war. IIRC, "advocating death" is not considered rulebreaking in and of itself especially in reference to state actors and capital punishment. The IDF is a state actor. Am I prohibited from calling for the deaths of enemy combatants if they are considered "non-state actors"?

I'd like a second opinion please.


Appeal denied. You were very literally advocating for the death of others, and continued to do so even in this thread.

We care not for whatever basis you might have for making that statement. The fact of the matter is that there is a group of people that you said needed to die.

And how am I "treating moderation as a continuation of NSG"? I'm really not.


You were literally doing it in your post.
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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Tue May 21, 2024 2:58 pm

Understood. I'll be sure not to call for terrorists and enemy combatants to be bombed in wartime.

Long live Hamas. /s


I'll also be sure not to defend myself against a report made against me.
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Postby Godular » Tue May 21, 2024 3:13 pm

Liberal Malaysia wrote:Understood. I'll be sure not to call for terrorists and enemy combatants to be bombed in wartime.

Long live Hamas. /s

I'll also be sure not to defend myself against a report made against me.


How about you just not say that X group needs to die?

If you’d like to final appeal, you can do so by GHR.

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Postby United Calanworie » Wed May 22, 2024 7:21 am

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Liberal Malaysia wrote:The ICC and the UN are traitors to all non-Muslims and enemies of civilization. Congress must make good on its promise to sanction the ICC, its key members and their families. UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese must also be sanctioned and removed from her post due to her track record of antisemitic slander and double standards. UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres must also resign for failing to be impartial. UNRWA must be completely disbanded and its key members arrested or terminated by the IDF for colluding with Hamas.

I have bolded and underlined the offending phrase. *** Warned for trolling + advocating death. ***


It has been pointed out to me in the modlair that my warning post did not convey the information that it should have, so I am rectifying it here. Site policy as established under both the FAQ and the One Stop Rules Shop prohibits malicious content, to include material that "a reasonable person would believe celebrates or endorses violence against real-life people." In the particular case of this post, it was made in the context of an ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas. We do include latitude in the malicious content policy for discussion "of the death penalty, political assassination, and wartime action." However, the post must be made "within the context of a reasonable ethical, logical, or legal argument" as the primary criteria used to adjudicate as to whether or not the post is acceptable.

So let's take the actionable post and explain why it runs afoul of the Malicious Content Policy here:

The post as reported automatically qualified for evaluation under the Malicious Content Policy as it directly endorsed violence against real-life people, i.e. members of the UNRWA. Therefore, the test of whether or not it should receive latitude applied: it did. It's in the context of an ongoing wartime action. Where the post falls astray is that it is not made "within the context of a reasonable ethical, logical, or legal argument." The rationale for why it is not made in that context is due to the way it is phrased. It would be perfectly legitimate to advocate for those who facilitated the 7 Oct attacks with Hamas be arrested or executed for their role in the conflict. However, the post does not disclude innocent members of the UNRWA from its stricture that individuals within it must be arrested or "terminated" by the IDF. As a result, it's advocating for violence against people who are, in effect, random passersby. A post advocating for you to go around hitting random individuals on the street a la New York City would similarly violate this rule. Phrasing is everything, and that is no exception here.

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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Wed May 22, 2024 7:40 am

United Calanworie wrote:
United Calanworie wrote:I have bolded and underlined the offending phrase. *** Warned for trolling + advocating death. ***


It has been pointed out to me in the modlair that my warning post did not convey the information that it should have, so I am rectifying it here. Site policy as established under both the FAQ and the One Stop Rules Shop prohibits malicious content, to include material that "a reasonable person would believe celebrates or endorses violence against real-life people." In the particular case of this post, it was made in the context of an ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas. We do include latitude in the malicious content policy for discussion "of the death penalty, political assassination, and wartime action." However, the post must be made "within the context of a reasonable ethical, logical, or legal argument" as the primary criteria used to adjudicate as to whether or not the post is acceptable.

So let's take the actionable post and explain why it runs afoul of the Malicious Content Policy here:

The post as reported automatically qualified for evaluation under the Malicious Content Policy as it directly endorsed violence against real-life people, i.e. members of the UNRWA. Therefore, the test of whether or not it should receive latitude applied: it did. It's in the context of an ongoing wartime action. Where the post falls astray is that it is not made "within the context of a reasonable ethical, logical, or legal argument." The rationale for why it is not made in that context is due to the way it is phrased. It would be perfectly legitimate to advocate for those who facilitated the 7 Oct attacks with Hamas be arrested or executed for their role in the conflict. However, the post does not disclude innocent members of the UNRWA from its stricture that individuals within it must be arrested or "terminated" by the IDF. As a result, it's advocating for violence against people who are, in effect, random passersby. A post advocating for you to go around hitting random individuals on the street a la New York City would similarly violate this rule. Phrasing is everything, and that is no exception here.

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Thank you for the clarification UC. Better late than never. For the record, I did not mean to call for all members of UNRWA, including innocent members, to be killed. That was not my intention at all. I meant to refer to Hamas terrorists who also happen to be members of UNRWA. I will readily concede that I should've worded that one brief sentence in a paragraphs-long post more carefully.

It's unfortunate that a slight, unintentional miswording on my part was more than enough to get me into trouble. Thanks to your clarification, I am now satisfied and am no longer upset with the warning I have received. I will not be appealing this warning. Have a good day.

So does that mean that this post as reported by Floppa Lovers is not actionable, or would it still be inadvisable to call for Hamas to be wiped out wholesale by the IDF as part of a wartime operation? If so, then I'll refrain in the future from advocating violence against Hamas. I will merely describe the actions the IDF could take if it wishes to prevail in this war without giving my personal opinion. In either case, the reported post has been struck through in response to your clarification.
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