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Who do you support(relatively speaking, of course)?

Mohammed Bagher Ghalibaf
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Amir-Hossein Ghazizadeh Hashemi
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No votes
Saeed Jalili
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Masoud Pezeshkian
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No votes
Mostafa Pourmohammadi
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Alireza Zakani
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None of the Above
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Total votes : 7

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Postby Shrillland » Mon May 20, 2024 1:28 pm

As I'm sure you all know by now, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi, long believed to be the Supreme Leader-in-waiting, died in a helicopter accident on May 20. This leaves Iran's future genuinely up in the air, at least in the short term, as no clear favourite exists among the Assembly of Experts(the 88 elected Ayatollahs who choose The Ayatollah from among their own)to succeed him, nor is there currently a clear favourite politiian among the hardliner power brokers that we know of.

As per the Iranian Constitution, First Vice President Mohamed Mokhber is currently Acting President, but he doesn't assume the Presidency himself. This is up to the Iranian people to "decide" in a Special Presidential Election, which will take place on Friday, June 28. Candidates will be allowed to register from May 30-June 3. After that, the 12-member Guardian Council(a Council made of of six Twelver Shia Clerics chosen by the Ayatollah and six jurists chosen by the Chief Justice) will eliminate most of the candidates and we'll have a small handful remaining for the vote. Although we can be sure that the Hardliners will be favoured, we don't yet know who they'll choose as their golden candidate. If no candidate gets 50% of the vote, the top go go to a runoff on July 5.

The Guardian Council has officially spoken. Here are the six approved candidates:

ICA Speaker and Former Teheran Mayor Mohammed Bagher Ghalibaf of the Progress and Justice Population of Islamic Iran Party(Principalist and mostly centered around Ghalibaf with half the Teheran City Council under their wing). Ghalibaf is considered by observes to be the Ayatollah's preferred choice. This is also his third run for the Presidency.

Vice President of Martyrs and Veterans Affairs Amir-Hossein Ghazizadeh Hashemi of the Islamic Law Party, one of Raisi's Vice Presidents(Iran has several specialised Vice Presidents working as a sort of second cabinet).

Saeed Jalili, former nuclear negotiator, former Secretary of the SNSC(Supreme National Security Council), on his third Presidential run, an Independent who sides with the Principalists.

Masoud Pezeshkian, an ICA member for Tabriz-Osku-Azershar, East Azerbaijan, a cardiologist, and a former Health Minister under Mohammed Khatami. He is considered the only major Moderate figure on the ballot.

Moustafa Pourmohammadi, an Ayatollah and Secretary-General of the powerful JRM(Combatant Clergy Association). He's also served as Ahmedinejad's Interior Minister and Rouhani's Justice Minister.

Alireza Zakani, Current Mayor of Teheran and part of the Society of Pathseekers of the Islamic Revolution, a Principalist party. The Teheran Mayoralty is considered a stepping stone to the Presidency.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 20, 2024 1:41 pm

The Guardian Council is there is give people the illusion of choice. They say they aren't against women running yet always reject their candidacy.

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Postby El Lazaro » Mon May 20, 2024 3:41 pm

There won’t be any moderate worth voting for, not after Trump’s Maximum Pressure idiocy. At this point, it’s a question of how radical Principalists are going to respond when the election is rigged against them as to ensure that the next president doesn’t cause any trouble for Khamenei and his succession.
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Postby Minoa » Mon May 20, 2024 3:42 pm

I estimate that the Iranian regime will block reformist candidates in a desperate attempt to look strong and resist the growing wave of protestors against the regime.
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Postby Kaumudeen » Mon May 20, 2024 3:57 pm

American sanctions only made Iran more hardline. LOL.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 20, 2024 5:19 pm

Minoa wrote:I estimate that the Iranian regime will block reformist candidates in a desperate attempt to look strong and resist the growing wave of protestors against the regime.


Of course. they won't even be allowed on the ballot.

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Postby Guest nation 154 » Mon May 20, 2024 5:22 pm

Iran is a democracy

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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 20, 2024 5:24 pm

Guest nation 154 wrote:Iran is a democracy


In name only. Anyone the Guardian Council or Ayatollah doesn't want to run can't

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Postby Kerwa » Mon May 20, 2024 6:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Guest nation 154 wrote:Iran is a democracy


In name only. Anyone the Guardian Council or Ayatollah doesn't want to run can't


It’s an Islamic republic.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 20, 2024 6:10 pm

Kerwa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
In name only. Anyone the Guardian Council or Ayatollah doesn't want to run can't


It’s an Islamic republic.


Im aware hence why i said in name only.

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Postby Kerwa » Mon May 20, 2024 6:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kerwa wrote:
It’s an Islamic republic.


Im aware hence why i said in name only.


So it’s not a democracy in name only then, is it?

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Postby Shrillland » Mon May 20, 2024 8:46 pm

Kerwa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Im aware hence why i said in name only.


So it’s not a democracy in name only then, is it?


It could generously be called a guided democracy given the only permitted candidates are the ones the Guardian Council approves of, and they aren't as supportive of ideological diversity as they were in the 1990s and early 2000s.
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Postby Risottia » Tue May 21, 2024 4:33 am

Guest nation 154 wrote:Iran is a democracy

No it's not. It's a republic and a theocratic oligarchy with elements of popular representation. The ultimate power, though, stays in the hand of a comparatively small group of people who can enforce their rulings even without the bounds of the Iranian constitution through the Pasdaran, which are basically an extra-judicial all-powerful branch of the armed forces (think of the SS). High offices are accessible only to Muslim men, and Islamic law is the fundament of the local laws, thus enforcing religious values also on people of a different religion. Inequality of women is enshrined in the Constitution itself (equality "in conformity of Islamic criteria" which of course are only for "scholars" to determine). The use of torture in judicial setting is widespread. Speech and press are free only if within the bounds of the ayatollahs' idea of Islam, and so is the freedom of assembly.

The mark of a democracy isn't just elections or popular representation. It's also rule of law, protection of individual rights, protection of minorities, and limitations for executive power. Iran fails systematically at all of those.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 21, 2024 4:37 am

Risottia wrote:
Guest nation 154 wrote:Iran is a democracy

No it's not. It's a republic and a theocratic oligarchy with elements of popular representation. The ultimate power, though, stays in the hand of a comparatively small group of people who can enforce their rulings even without the bounds of the Iranian constitution through the Pasdaran, which are basically an extra-judicial all-powerful branch of the armed forces (think of the SS). High offices are accessible only to Muslim men, and Islamic law is the fundament of the local laws, thus enforcing religious values also on people of a different religion. Inequality of women is enshrined in the Constitution itself (equality "in conformity of Islamic criteria" which of course are only for "scholars" to determine). The use of torture in judicial setting is widespread. Speech and press are free only if within the bounds of the ayatollahs' idea of Islam, and so is the freedom of assembly.

The mark of a democracy isn't just elections or popular representation. It's also rule of law, protection of individual rights, protection of minorities, and limitations for executive power. Iran fails systematically at all of those.


Exactly correct. The Guardian Council says they aren't against women running yet constantly reject their candidacy. I doubt there will be a women President or Mayor of Tehran until the current regime ends. Baghdad had a woman mayor until recently.

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Postby El Lazaro » Tue May 21, 2024 4:44 am

San Lumen wrote:
Risottia wrote:No it's not. It's a republic and a theocratic oligarchy with elements of popular representation. The ultimate power, though, stays in the hand of a comparatively small group of people who can enforce their rulings even without the bounds of the Iranian constitution through the Pasdaran, which are basically an extra-judicial all-powerful branch of the armed forces (think of the SS). High offices are accessible only to Muslim men, and Islamic law is the fundament of the local laws, thus enforcing religious values also on people of a different religion. Inequality of women is enshrined in the Constitution itself (equality "in conformity of Islamic criteria" which of course are only for "scholars" to determine). The use of torture in judicial setting is widespread. Speech and press are free only if within the bounds of the ayatollahs' idea of Islam, and so is the freedom of assembly.

The mark of a democracy isn't just elections or popular representation. It's also rule of law, protection of individual rights, protection of minorities, and limitations for executive power. Iran fails systematically at all of those.


Exactly correct. The Guardian Council says they aren't against women running yet constantly reject their candidacy. I doubt there will be a women President or Mayor of Tehran until the current regime ends. Baghdad had a woman mayor until recently.

Having more women in office wouldn’t make Iran any less of a dictatorship or change any of its repressive policies. It’s an odd point to harp on.
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Postby Kerwa » Tue May 21, 2024 4:50 am

Shrillland wrote:
Kerwa wrote:
So it’s not a democracy in name only then, is it?


It could generously be called a guided democracy given the only permitted candidates are the ones the Guardian Council approves of, and they aren't as supportive of ideological diversity as they were in the 1990s and early 2000s.


It explicitly describes itself as a theocratic republic where popular sentiment is subordinate to a theocratic council and supreme ayatollah. It’s never claimed to be a “democracy” so it can’t be a democracy in name only as it never named itself such.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 21, 2024 4:59 am

El Lazaro wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Exactly correct. The Guardian Council says they aren't against women running yet constantly reject their candidacy. I doubt there will be a women President or Mayor of Tehran until the current regime ends. Baghdad had a woman mayor until recently.

Having more women in office wouldn’t make Iran any less of a dictatorship or change any of its repressive policies. It’s an odd point to harp on.


None of their repressive policies will change until the current regime is ousted. The stupid undemocratic Guardian Council won't allow a reformist onto the ballot again.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 21, 2024 9:10 am

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/ebra ... -president

Here is a list of potential candidates.

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Postby Kaumudeen » Tue May 21, 2024 4:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/ebrahim-raisi-candidates-succeed-irans-president

Here is a list of potential candidates.



Very cool!
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Postby Kerwa » Tue May 21, 2024 10:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Having more women in office wouldn’t make Iran any less of a dictatorship or change any of its repressive policies. It’s an odd point to harp on.


None of their repressive policies will change until the current regime is ousted. The stupid undemocratic Guardian Council won't allow a reformist onto the ballot again.


The entire point of the Guardian Council is to prevent reformists. It’s in Iran’s constitution. They like it that way.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 22, 2024 9:28 am

Kerwa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
None of their repressive policies will change until the current regime is ousted. The stupid undemocratic Guardian Council won't allow a reformist onto the ballot again.


The entire point of the Guardian Council is to prevent reformists. It’s in Iran’s constitution. They like it that way.


And this is why the regime won't fall. The entire system is rigged to give the illusion of democracy. It would be nice if there was a majority of blank or invalid votes but that won't happen.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed May 22, 2024 10:29 am

San Lumen wrote:
Kerwa wrote:
The entire point of the Guardian Council is to prevent reformists. It’s in Iran’s constitution. They like it that way.


And this is why the regime won't fall. The entire system is rigged to give the illusion of democracy. It would be nice if there was a majority of blank or invalid votes but that won't happen.

Every dictatorship eventually will fall. They don’t last forever. Even the Soviet Union who many believed would never collapse only lasted 69 years.

So if the Iranian regime lasts a similar amount of time it would be around 2050 when it falls. There are cracks showing in the regime currently. They only were just able to put down the last protest and the protests are becoming more and more frequent.

If khamenei dies within the next 6 months to a year, which is entirely possible given his failing health, the regime will be in a major crisis as they don’t have a Supreme leader candidate lined up. The guy they had died in the crash.
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Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And this is why the regime won't fall. The entire system is rigged to give the illusion of democracy. It would be nice if there was a majority of blank or invalid votes but that won't happen.

Every dictatorship eventually will fall. They don’t last forever. Even the Soviet Union who many believed would never collapse only lasted 69 years.

So if the Iranian regime lasts a similar amount of time it would be around 2050 when it falls. There are cracks showing in the regime currently. They only were just able to put down the last protest and the protests are becoming more and more frequent.

If khamenei dies within the next 6 months to a year, which is entirely possible given his failing health, the regime will be in a major crisis as they don’t have a Supreme leader candidate lined up. The guy they had died in the crash.



We can only hope it outlasts the American menace.
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Kaumudeen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Every dictatorship eventually will fall. They don’t last forever. Even the Soviet Union who many believed would never collapse only lasted 69 years.

So if the Iranian regime lasts a similar amount of time it would be around 2050 when it falls. There are cracks showing in the regime currently. They only were just able to put down the last protest and the protests are becoming more and more frequent.

If khamenei dies within the next 6 months to a year, which is entirely possible given his failing health, the regime will be in a major crisis as they don’t have a Supreme leader candidate lined up. The guy they had died in the crash.



We can only hope it outlasts the American menace.

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Postby Rusozak » Wed May 22, 2024 5:27 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And this is why the regime won't fall. The entire system is rigged to give the illusion of democracy. It would be nice if there was a majority of blank or invalid votes but that won't happen.

Every dictatorship eventually will fall. They don’t last forever. Even the Soviet Union who many believed would never collapse only lasted 69 years.

So if the Iranian regime lasts a similar amount of time it would be around 2050 when it falls. There are cracks showing in the regime currently. They only were just able to put down the last protest and the protests are becoming more and more frequent.

If khamenei dies within the next 6 months to a year, which is entirely possible given his failing health, the regime will be in a major crisis as they don’t have a Supreme leader candidate lined up. The guy they had died in the crash.


He's got a couple sons, doesn't he? They could follow the example of the Kims and have a de facto hereditary dictatorship. Just rip off the bandaid of pretense now.
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