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Iran’s President Killed in Helicopter Crash

Postby The Archregimancy » Sun May 19, 2024 10:19 am

It's now confirmed that Iran's President Ebrahim Raisi and Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian have both been killed in a helicopter crash.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwwql21747o

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... bdollahian

President Raisi was a hardliner who was widely considered a leading contender as successor to the ailing 85-year-old Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei following his carefully stage-managed election as president in 2021. His death therefore potentially leaves a power vacuum within the succession process.



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This is a developing situation, but a helicopter carrying the president and foreign minister of Iran has crashed (the incident is also described as a 'hard landing') in a mountainous region of the country as it was carrying a high-level delegation back from a dam inauguration in Azerbaijan. Otherwise details are currently somewhat unclear.

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Main story: https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... rd-landing

Live updates: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-m ... t-69035051

There are conflicting reports over whether three Iranian Red Crescent rescue workers have themselves gone missing while searching for the presidential helicopter, but the area where the helicopter is believed to have crashed is certainly rugged and mountainous.
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Postby Stratonesia » Sun May 19, 2024 10:33 am

Well, I hope the Iranian president is okay. Whether you like Iran or not, you gotta feel for this guy.

Image

And the US Air Force is sus. Again.

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Postby Al-Haqiqah » Sun May 19, 2024 10:34 am

Insanity but not surprising given the low quality of the Iranian air fleet because of sanctions.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun May 19, 2024 10:40 am

Stratonesia wrote:And the US Air Force is sus. Again.


I hardly consider a Twitter screen grab to be a reputable news source, and even if a US Airforce C-17 landed in Baku around the same time as the Iranian president's helicopter crashed, the dam opening that Ebrahim Raisi was attending was on the Azerbaijan-Iran border over 250 km from Baku; and Azerbaijan's president Ilham Aliyev was apparently also at the dam inauguration.

I don't feel there's any particular need to start developing conspiracy theories about the crash given the limited information available at this point.

I would be more worried about the fact that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has had serious health problems in recent years, and losing the president while Khamenei's health is so shaky could prove destabilising.

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Postby Al-Haqiqah » Sun May 19, 2024 10:45 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Stratonesia wrote:And the US Air Force is sus. Again.


I hardly consider a Twitter screen grab to be a reputable news source, and even if a US Airforce C-17 landed in Baku around the same time as the Iranian president's helicopter crashed, the dam opening that Ebrahim Raisi was attending was on the Azerbaijan-Iran border over 250 km from Baku; and Azerbaijan's president Ilham Aliyev was apparently also at the dam inauguration.

I don't feel there's any particular need to start developing conspiracy theories about the crash given the limited information available at this point.

I would be more worried about the fact that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has had serious health problems in recent years, and losing the president while Khamenei's health is so shaky could prove destabilising.

Seems so far it's just mechanical failure
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Postby Stratonesia » Sun May 19, 2024 10:45 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Stratonesia wrote:And the US Air Force is sus. Again.


I hardly consider a Twitter screen grab to be a reputable news source, and even if a US Airforce C-17 landed in Baku around the same time as the Iranian president's helicopter crashed, the dam opening that Ebrahim Raisi was attending was on the Azerbaijan-Iran border over 250 km from Baku; and Azerbaijan's president Ilham Aliyev was apparently also at the dam inauguration.

I don't feel there's any particular need to start developing conspiracy theories about the crash given the limited information available at this point.

I would be more worried about the fact that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has had serious health problems in recent years, and losing the president while Khamenei's health is so shaky could prove destabilising.

I never said it was reputable...

I just want to show you guys that some folks on Twitter have already started the guessing game...

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Postby Al-Haqiqah » Sun May 19, 2024 10:46 am

Stratonesia wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
I hardly consider a Twitter screen grab to be a reputable news source, and even if a US Airforce C-17 landed in Baku around the same time as the Iranian president's helicopter crashed, the dam opening that Ebrahim Raisi was attending was on the Azerbaijan-Iran border over 250 km from Baku; and Azerbaijan's president Ilham Aliyev was apparently also at the dam inauguration.

I don't feel there's any particular need to start developing conspiracy theories about the crash given the limited information available at this point.

I would be more worried about the fact that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has had serious health problems in recent years, and losing the president while Khamenei's health is so shaky could prove destabilising.

I never said it was reputable...

I just want to show you guys that some folks on Twitter have already started the guessing game...

That's Twitter for you. Always a guessing game.
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Postby Unogonduria » Sun May 19, 2024 10:50 am

Hmmm what an year!
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Postby Shrillland » Sun May 19, 2024 10:54 am

It would, indeed, be destabilising if the worst happens, if for no other reason than Iran isn't ready for a presidential byelection, which is constitutionally required within 50 days of an official vacancy. For the same reason, we might not know if the worst has happened for some time if only because the Ayatollah, power brokers, Guardian Council etc, have to be informed first.

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Postby Rusozak » Sun May 19, 2024 10:58 am

Shrillland wrote:It would, indeed, be destabilising if the worst happens, if for no other reason than Iran isn't ready for a presidential byelection, which is constitutionally required within 50 days of an official vacancy. For the same reason, we might not know if the worst has happened for some time if only because the Ayatollah, power brokers, Guardian Council etc, have to be informed first.

And we hope, believe me when I say this, we hope the worst won't happen.


I'm not entirely familiar with the political structure of Iran's government. How powerful is the President compared to the Supreme Leader? Is it like the UK's Prime Minister?
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Postby Shrillland » Sun May 19, 2024 11:00 am

Rusozak wrote:
Shrillland wrote:It would, indeed, be destabilising if the worst happens, if for no other reason than Iran isn't ready for a presidential byelection, which is constitutionally required within 50 days of an official vacancy. For the same reason, we might not know if the worst has happened for some time if only because the Ayatollah, power brokers, Guardian Council etc, have to be informed first.

And we hope, believe me when I say this, we hope the worst won't happen.


I'm not entirely familiar with the political structure of Iran's government. How powerful is the President compared to the Supreme Leader? Is it like the UK's Prime Minister?


More like the French Premier in that his sphere is mostly confined to domestic affairs and making Iran look good on the international stage. The Ayatollah is the one who holds the most power and can override practically anything the President does.
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Postby The Apollonian Systems » Sun May 19, 2024 11:30 am

Stratonesia wrote:Well, I hope the Iranian president is okay. Whether you like Iran or not, you gotta feel for this guy.

(Image)

And the US Air Force is sus. Again.

Are C17’s capable of shooting down helicopters?

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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 19, 2024 11:37 am

Stratonesia wrote:Well, I hope the Iranian president is okay. Whether you like Iran or not, you gotta feel for this guy.


And the US Air Force is sus. Again.

I'm not sure what's meant to be suspicious about that. If the US was involved, they've already got plenty of drones and shit in their bases in Middle East.
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Postby Rusozak » Sun May 19, 2024 11:38 am

The Apollonian Systems wrote:
Stratonesia wrote:Well, I hope the Iranian president is okay. Whether you like Iran or not, you gotta feel for this guy.

(Image)

And the US Air Force is sus. Again.

Are C17’s capable of shooting down helicopters?


No, it's a cargo plane.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun May 19, 2024 11:41 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Stratonesia wrote:And the US Air Force is sus. Again.


I hardly consider a Twitter screen grab to be a reputable news source, and even if a US Airforce C-17 landed in Baku around the same time as the Iranian president's helicopter crashed, the dam opening that Ebrahim Raisi was attending was on the Azerbaijan-Iran border over 250 km from Baku; and Azerbaijan's president Ilham Aliyev was apparently also at the dam inauguration.

I don't feel there's any particular need to start developing conspiracy theories about the crash given the limited information available at this point.

I would be more worried about the fact that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has had serious health problems in recent years, and losing the president while Khamenei's health is so shaky could prove destabilising.


Not seeing that as a bad thing, truth be told.
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Postby Turenia » Sun May 19, 2024 11:42 am

Stratonesia wrote:Well, I hope the Iranian president is okay. Whether you like Iran or not, you gotta feel for this guy.

I really don't think anyone has to feel for him at all.

He presides over a regime that sponsors terrorism and oppresses all those who refuse to follow it's extremist teachings.
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Postby United Bongo States of the New America » Sun May 19, 2024 11:45 am

I pray he is healthy, and may Allah safeguard him as He bequests. Ameen.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 19, 2024 11:45 am

Rusozak wrote:
The Apollonian Systems wrote:Are C17’s capable of shooting down helicopters?


No, it's a cargo plane.

I'm sure the crew have sidearms, they could open a door and take a few shots.
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Postby The Kaisers Syndicates » Sun May 19, 2024 11:48 am

Ifreann wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
No, it's a cargo plane.

I'm sure the crew have sidearms, they could open a door and take a few shots.


They do have sidearms but unless they hit very specific and very small spots on the helicopter the small arms shouldn’t do much to it.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun May 19, 2024 12:00 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
No, it's a cargo plane.

I'm sure the crew have sidearms, they could open a door and take a few shots.

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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Sun May 19, 2024 12:06 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
No, it's a cargo plane.

I'm sure the crew have sidearms, they could open a door and take a few shots.


Or push a piano out.
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Postby El Lazaro » Sun May 19, 2024 12:08 pm

Stratonesia wrote:Well, I hope the Iranian president is okay. Whether you like Iran or not, you gotta feel for this guy.

No, you don’t. He’s the top PR man for a soon-to-be-nuclear-armed theocratic terrorist state. Plus, he’s not even ironically funny like Ahmadinejad.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 19, 2024 12:09 pm

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'm sure the crew have sidearms, they could open a door and take a few shots.


Or push a piano out.

Bet they could fit a few pianos in there too.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun May 19, 2024 12:18 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
I hardly consider a Twitter screen grab to be a reputable news source, and even if a US Airforce C-17 landed in Baku around the same time as the Iranian president's helicopter crashed, the dam opening that Ebrahim Raisi was attending was on the Azerbaijan-Iran border over 250 km from Baku; and Azerbaijan's president Ilham Aliyev was apparently also at the dam inauguration.

I don't feel there's any particular need to start developing conspiracy theories about the crash given the limited information available at this point.

I would be more worried about the fact that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has had serious health problems in recent years, and losing the president while Khamenei's health is so shaky could prove destabilising.


Not seeing that as a bad thing, truth be told.


It might not be, depends on how things pan out.
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