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[Draft] Just Some Aliens?

Postby The Kharkivan Cossacks » Sun May 19, 2024 10:00 am

Requirements:
Space Program Policy
Issue:
Recently, scientists have discovered an extra terrestrial species that has the same intelligence as humans. This has caused the question of whether or not other sapient species should be treated equally to their human counterparts.

1. "You want aliens to be citizens?! Are you Mad!" exclaims a disgruntled citizen. "Say NO to this, they are not like humans and will never be!"
Result: Extraterrestrial life forms commonly protest the governments refusal to accept them

2. Known Extremist @@RANDOMNAME@@ approaches you, holding a book titled "Humanity's Natural Supremacy" and shouts "That is not far enough, humans are the dominate species and always will be, we have already take control of the animals on this planet, and those aliens will meet the same fate! Kill them all! Teach them who is the true intelligent one!"
Result: Any extraterrestrial life's encounter with @@NATIONNAME@@ is usually their last

3. "Whoa Whoa, calm down" says neurologist @@RANDOMNAME@@ "Why should we not, they have the same intelligence as us so they should be treated like us, simple as that"
Result: Extraterrestrial life commonly complain about their portrayal in media

4. @@RANDOMNAME@@, an animal rights activist appears, waving a sign in your face "We are so focused on aliens we do not realize that the ones who deserve citizenship and equality are the animals here! Give them the rights they deserve!"
Result: Reporters are commonly seen asking @@ANIMALPLURAL@@ about their opinion on the latest drama

5. "How about a compromise, there are always room for some, right?" pipes @@RANDOMNAME@@, "Why not allow extraterrestrial life to have citizenship, but make it that humans are given priority over them in jobs and politics?"
Result Extraterrestrial life is commonly seen begging for food on the streets of @@NATIONNAME@@


New Draft:
I have decided to Redo-My draft, so here is the revised/new version, created with the comments in mind.
Issue:
When the Daily Journal published a joke article on the discovery of aliens, there were many who read it and believed it, and are now up in arms about what to do if aliens were to come to the planet.

1. "They're coming! Save yourselves!" yells @@RANDOMNAME@@, wearing a tin hat, rushing to you. "This is the end! Mankind as we know it will be destroyed! Use the military and blast the aliens! It's the only way to save us now!
Result:
@@NATIONNAME@@ is always prepared for an enemy that is not there.

2. "Now calm down calm down everyone!" says @@RANDOMNAME, shoving the man with the tin hat aside. "This does not mean the end, if aliens are truly here, we should be preparing to welcome them, not kill them! We need to to show them we are friendly!"
Result:
The government is making efforts to fix aliens portrayal in the media

3. Well known sceptic @@RANDOMNAME@@ approaches you. "This is blasphemy! The article is clearly fake, and it's causing a stir! Mandate that all papers must state if it is a joke at the top so that this does not happen!"
Result:
April Fools isn't the same without the fooling

4. The author of the article steps forward. "If I may speak, it was just a little fun! There is no problem with pretending aliens are real! Let us write what we want, it's free press after all!
Result:
Most @@NATIONALDEMONYMPLURAL@@ think aliens are in the government.

Thoughts on this? Feel free to comment. I will be updating the OP and the title.
[Feedback is much appreciated, this would be the first issue complied by me]
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Postby The dragonian knigths » Sun May 19, 2024 10:10 am

I'd say to modify the extremist one to say something like what you said but also implying that the nation really likes to make species go extinct, including the ones in their own country/planet

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Postby The Kharkivan Cossacks » Sun May 19, 2024 10:13 am

The dragonian knigths wrote:I'd say to modify the extremist one to say something like what you said but also implying that the nation really likes to make species go extinct, including the ones in their own country/planet

So more like this?
2. Known Extremist @@RANDOMNAME@@ approaches you, holding a book titled "Humanity's Natural Supremacy" and shouts "That is not far enough, humans are the dominate species and always will be, we have already take control of the animals on this planet, and those aliens will meet the same fate! Kill them all! Teach them who is the true intelligent one!"
Result Any extraterrestrial life's encounter with @@NATIONNAME@@ is usually their last
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Postby The dragonian knigths » Sun May 19, 2024 10:16 am

The Kharkivan Cossacks wrote:
The dragonian knigths wrote:I'd say to modify the extremist one to say something like what you said but also implying that the nation really likes to make species go extinct, including the ones in their own country/planet

So more like this?
2. Known Extremist @@RANDOMNAME@@ approaches you, holding a book titled "Humanity's Natural Supremacy" and shouts "That is not far enough, humans are the dominate species and always will be, we have already take control of the animals on this planet, and those aliens will meet the same fate! Kill them all! Teach them who is the true intelligent one!"
Result Any extraterrestrial life's encounter with @@NATIONNAME@@ is usually their last


That works too

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Postby The Kharkivan Cossacks » Sun May 19, 2024 10:18 am

The dragonian knigths wrote:
The Kharkivan Cossacks wrote:So more like this?
2. Known Extremist @@RANDOMNAME@@ approaches you, holding a book titled "Humanity's Natural Supremacy" and shouts "That is not far enough, humans are the dominate species and always will be, we have already take control of the animals on this planet, and those aliens will meet the same fate! Kill them all! Teach them who is the true intelligent one!"
Result Any extraterrestrial life's encounter with @@NATIONNAME@@ is usually their last


That works too

Very well, I edited the original draft.
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Postby Arakhkhar » Sun May 19, 2024 10:20 am

Is it possible to have an option where you install the aliens as overlords; as a funny option?
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Postby The Kharkivan Cossacks » Sun May 19, 2024 10:21 am

Arakhkhar wrote:Is it possible to have an option where you install the aliens as overlords; as a separate option?

I was thinking of making a second issue if you chose number 3, where the question of aliens being in the government and leaders would occur. This one is mainly one whether or not they should get citizenship and rights.
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Postby Rutheria » Sun May 19, 2024 10:24 am

The Kharkivan Cossacks wrote:Requirements:
Space Program Policy
Issue:
Recently, scientists have discovered an extra terrestrial species that has the same intelligence as humans. This has caused the question of whether or not other sapient species should be treated equally to their human counterparts.

1. "You want aliens to be citizens?! Are you Mad!" exclaims a disgruntled citizen. "Say NO to this, they are not like humans and will never be!"
Result: Extraterrestrial life forms commonly protest the governments refusal to accept them

2. Known Extremist @@RANDOMNAME@@ approaches you, holding a book titled "Humanity's Natural Supremacy" and shouts "That is not far enough, humans are the dominate species and always will be, we have already take control of the animals on this planet, and those aliens will meet the same fate! Kill them all! Teach them who is the true intelligent one!"
Result: Any extraterrestrial life's encounter with @@NATIONNAME@@ is usually their last

3. "Whoa Whoa, calm down" says neurologist @@RANDOMNAME@@ "Why should we not, they have the same intelligence as us so they should be treated like us, simple as that"
Result: Extraterrestrial life commonly complain about their portrayal in media

4. @@RANDOMNAME@@, an animal rights activist appears, waving a sign in your face "We are so focused on allies we do not realize that the ones who deserve citizenship and equality are the animals here! Give them the rights they deserve!"
Result: Reporters are commonly seen asking @@ANIMALPLURAL@@ about their opinion on the latest drama

5. "How about a compromise, there are always room for some, right?" pipes @@RANDOMNAME@@, "Why not allow extraterrestrial life to have citizenship, but make it that humans are given priority over them in jobs and politics?"
Result Extraterrestrial life is commonly seen begging for food on the streets of @@NATIONNAME@@

[Feedback is much appreciated, this would be the first issue complied by me]


I was wondering if an issue like this would be created, soon even alien and human conflict centered issues, I'm glad you made it, ahem now a word from our sponsors, HUMAN SUPREMACY NOW, HUMAN SUPREMACY TOMORROW, HUMAN SUPREMACY FOREVER, RAH RAH RAH!
And I say unto you let there be light!

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Postby The Kharkivan Cossacks » Sun May 19, 2024 10:25 am

Rutheria wrote:
The Kharkivan Cossacks wrote:Requirements:
Space Program Policy
Issue:
Recently, scientists have discovered an extra terrestrial species that has the same intelligence as humans. This has caused the question of whether or not other sapient species should be treated equally to their human counterparts.

1. "You want aliens to be citizens?! Are you Mad!" exclaims a disgruntled citizen. "Say NO to this, they are not like humans and will never be!"
Result: Extraterrestrial life forms commonly protest the governments refusal to accept them

2. Known Extremist @@RANDOMNAME@@ approaches you, holding a book titled "Humanity's Natural Supremacy" and shouts "That is not far enough, humans are the dominate species and always will be, we have already take control of the animals on this planet, and those aliens will meet the same fate! Kill them all! Teach them who is the true intelligent one!"
Result: Any extraterrestrial life's encounter with @@NATIONNAME@@ is usually their last

3. "Whoa Whoa, calm down" says neurologist @@RANDOMNAME@@ "Why should we not, they have the same intelligence as us so they should be treated like us, simple as that"
Result: Extraterrestrial life commonly complain about their portrayal in media

4. @@RANDOMNAME@@, an animal rights activist appears, waving a sign in your face "We are so focused on allies we do not realize that the ones who deserve citizenship and equality are the animals here! Give them the rights they deserve!"
Result: Reporters are commonly seen asking @@ANIMALPLURAL@@ about their opinion on the latest drama

5. "How about a compromise, there are always room for some, right?" pipes @@RANDOMNAME@@, "Why not allow extraterrestrial life to have citizenship, but make it that humans are given priority over them in jobs and politics?"
Result Extraterrestrial life is commonly seen begging for food on the streets of @@NATIONNAME@@

[Feedback is much appreciated, this would be the first issue complied by me]


I was wondering if an issue like this would be created, soon even alien and human conflict centered issues, I'm glad you made it, ahem now a word from our sponsors, HUMAN SUPREMACY NOW, HUMAN SUPREMACY TOMORROW, HUMAN SUPREMACY FOREVER, RAH RAH RAH!

If I read this right, then as I said, I do plan, assuming this gets accepted, to make a second issue relating to aliens in the government and if they can be leaders.
I'll leave this up until I know it will be accepted.
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Postby Rutheria » Sun May 19, 2024 10:29 am

Well hopefully it gets accepted, wish you luck! :D
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Postby Ancientania » Sun May 19, 2024 10:32 am

I don't particularly like Aliens... maybe add an option with high scientific advancement proving they aren't actually aliens? I just don't like that idea- so game-changing for it to not be a policy or something. Aliens are generally for lore, not issues
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Postby The Kharkivan Cossacks » Sun May 19, 2024 10:34 am

Ancientania wrote:I don't particularly like Aliens... maybe add an option with high scientific advancement proving they aren't actually aliens? I just don't like that idea- so game-changing for it to not be a policy or something. Aliens are generally for lore, not issues

Hm. I mean, we do have an issue kind of like this for the national animal, so I assumed this could work.
Since it does have the requirement of a space program, there is some reasonable reason. I'll think on this comment, and see if any authors of issues can give their input on this.
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I'm no editor, but I really think issues that are not agnostic about the existence of aliens are not really for NationStates (#80 aside, because it's an Easter Egg). While NS has its differences with reality, it's basically an alternate version of Earth, with only somewhat-more-advanced technology, so since we don't have any proof that extraterrestrials live in real life, we shouldn't have it in NationStates. Even if the issue were about the hypothetical citizenship of aliens... well, NationStates issues are not about hypotheticals, so it still wouldn't work.
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Fauxia wrote:I'm no editor, but I really think issues that are not agnostic about the existence of aliens are not really for NationStates (#80 aside, because it's an Easter Egg). While NS has its differences with reality, it's basically an alternate version of Earth, with only somewhat-more-advanced technology, so since we don't have any proof that extraterrestrials live in real life, we shouldn't have it in NationStates. Even if the issue were about the hypothetical citizenship of aliens... well, NationStates issues are not about hypotheticals, so it still wouldn't work.

Noted. That makes sense, since there is already a version for the animals, assuming you're right (Which I trust, as you are an author of twelve issues), this will most likely get abandoned. I'll wait for an editor to confirm this.
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Postby Ancientania » Sun May 19, 2024 1:32 pm

The Kharkivan Cossacks wrote:
Fauxia wrote:I'm no editor, but I really think issues that are not agnostic about the existence of aliens are not really for NationStates (#80 aside, because it's an Easter Egg). While NS has its differences with reality, it's basically an alternate version of Earth, with only somewhat-more-advanced technology, so since we don't have any proof that extraterrestrials live in real life, we shouldn't have it in NationStates. Even if the issue were about the hypothetical citizenship of aliens... well, NationStates issues are not about hypotheticals, so it still wouldn't work.

Noted. That makes sense, since there is already a version for the animals, assuming you're right (Which I trust, as you are an author of twelve issues), this will most likely get abandoned. I'll wait for an editor to confirm this.

You dial the extremism up and change aliens to robots you could work

Or if you make it a case of mass hysteria over aliens, but as it stands it probably won't go through
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Postby The Kharkivan Cossacks » Sun May 19, 2024 1:34 pm

Ancientania wrote:
The Kharkivan Cossacks wrote:Noted. That makes sense, since there is already a version for the animals, assuming you're right (Which I trust, as you are an author of twelve issues), this will most likely get abandoned. I'll wait for an editor to confirm this.

You dial the extremism up and change aliens to robots you could work

Or if you make it a case of mass hysteria over aliens, but as it stands it probably won't go through

I believe we already had an issue for robots and rights.
Noted, chances are it will be abandoned, I'll just wait for an issue editor to give their input.
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Postby Ancientania » Sun May 19, 2024 1:36 pm

The Kharkivan Cossacks wrote:
Ancientania wrote:You dial the extremism up and change aliens to robots you could work

Or if you make it a case of mass hysteria over aliens, but as it stands it probably won't go through

I believe we already had an issue for robots and rights.
Noted, chances are it will be abandoned, I'll just wait for an issue editor to give their input.

No I know, that's why I said dial up the extremism. For it to be considered original it needs to be tin hat crazy
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Postby The Kharkivan Cossacks » Sun May 19, 2024 1:51 pm

Ancientania wrote:
The Kharkivan Cossacks wrote:I believe we already had an issue for robots and rights.
Noted, chances are it will be abandoned, I'll just wait for an issue editor to give their input.

No I know, that's why I said dial up the extremism. For it to be considered original it needs to be tin hat crazy

Very well. I will work to make the Issue and results more extreme. Perhaps I should take away the compromise? Hm.
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Postby Verdant Haven » Fri May 24, 2024 6:07 pm

The big challenge here is that, to be blunt about it, we don't do aliens in non-Easter Egg issues. They fall too far outside the realm of verisimilitude to be used, and such an issue wouldn't be published.

We do allow and sometimes publish issues that include people who *believe* in aliens, or who make arguments on the subject, but we make clear that they are based on the unproven and generally unreliable position of an individual – not factual information.

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Postby The Kharkivan Cossacks » Sun May 26, 2024 8:38 am

Verdant Haven wrote:The big challenge here is that, to be blunt about it, we don't do aliens in non-Easter Egg issues. They fall too far outside the realm of verisimilitude to be used, and such an issue wouldn't be published.

We do allow and sometimes publish issues that include people who *believe* in aliens, or who make arguments on the subject, but we make clear that they are based on the unproven and generally unreliable position of an individual – not factual information.

Perhaps the question could be brought up when there is a possibility, perhaps the space agency could say there *might* be aliens, and the question could arise? Or maybe the question of what to do if aliens were real.
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Postby Fauxia » Wed May 29, 2024 5:22 pm

The Kharkivan Cossacks wrote:
Verdant Haven wrote:The big challenge here is that, to be blunt about it, we don't do aliens in non-Easter Egg issues. They fall too far outside the realm of verisimilitude to be used, and such an issue wouldn't be published.

We do allow and sometimes publish issues that include people who *believe* in aliens, or who make arguments on the subject, but we make clear that they are based on the unproven and generally unreliable position of an individual – not factual information.

Perhaps the question could be brought up when there is a possibility, perhaps the space agency could say there *might* be aliens, and the question could arise? Or maybe the question of what to do if aliens were real.

By my count, there are three issues that discuss aliens in extended detail: #81, #428 and #589. All the options that search for aliens go the route of "we need to find stuff out about them" or "we need to have space lasers to blow them up bam bam bam," so there may be room for an issue about preparation for aliens, I suppose.
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Postby The Kharkivan Cossacks » Wed May 29, 2024 5:25 pm

Fauxia wrote:
The Kharkivan Cossacks wrote:Perhaps the question could be brought up when there is a possibility, perhaps the space agency could say there *might* be aliens, and the question could arise? Or maybe the question of what to do if aliens were real.

By my count, there are three issues that discuss aliens in extended detail: #81, #428 and #589. All the options that search for aliens go the route of "we need to find stuff out about them" or "we need to have space lasers to blow them up bam bam bam," so there may be room for an issue about preparation for aliens, I suppose.

I was thinking about re-writing it to where there is the possibility there might be extraterrestrial life nearby, and people are asking what to do to prepare to encounter it, although it needs to be different enough from the issues highlighted above.
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Postby Fauxia » Wed May 29, 2024 5:42 pm

Just don't lean too much into making the case for aliens existing (nearby at least) too persuasive. I know we found some clouds or whatever on Venus in which we said hypothetically aliens could survive, but to me it's just going too far. On the other hand, if you want to have a crowd of people seriously exaggerating a couple of studies that show that maybe aliens exist on a planet nearby, you could maybe have that be the hook for the issue.
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Postby The Kharkivan Cossacks » Wed May 29, 2024 5:44 pm

Fauxia wrote:Just don't lean too much into making the case for aliens existing (nearby at least) too persuasive. I know we found some clouds or whatever on Venus in which we said hypothetically aliens could survive, but to me it's just going too far. On the other hand, if you want to have a crowd of people seriously exaggerating a couple of studies that show that maybe aliens exist on a planet nearby, you could maybe have that be the hook for the issue.

Interesting, so perhaps a study that some extreme believers think means aliens, or perhaps the studies are fake but gain attraction, and it can be the effects of said false/exaggerations? I can see that working.
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