[DRAFT] Repeal Liberate Eclipsis

[Eshialand]

Hey everyone! Seeing Liberate Eclipsis pass... definitely wasn't something I was looking forward to. New Makasta, Vorhollah, and Westinor wrote that resolution intending to stop raiders from refounding it, but unfortunately they beat us to it and refounded it. So, here's my proposal for the repeal we would now like to see, as this liberation does nothing but give raiders a badge. This is my first time posting a (serious) draft here, so any help would be much appreciated.

UPDATE: courtesy of my co-author, here's a full rewrite to help put more meat on the bones of the original draft.

The Security Council,

Aware of the plight of Eclipsis, an innocent and joyful region which sadly fell under the control of the raider menace,

Admiring the good intentions of SC#501, “Liberate Eclipsis”, which seeked to help the true owners of the region reclaim it from the darkness by making it impossible for the region to be sealed away,

Sobbing, however, at Eclipsis’ ultimate fate, which saw it landed permanently and irreparably in the hands of those who wish to destroy the light of the world,

Disgusted at the behavior of these sadists, who treat attempts to stop them as badges of honor, to collect and to prize as the most valuable treasures,

Determined that they will not find the joy of keeping the liberation on their trophy as a badge of honor, and will be left with nothing as a reward for their atrocities in Eclipsis,

Hereby repeals SC#501, “Liberate Eclipsis”.

The Security Council,

RECOGNIZING the good intentions of SC#501 "Liberate Eclipsis", a resolution intended to help the region's natives regain control of their homeland,

NOTING that, despite best attempts, Eclipsis fell permanently and irreparably into raider hands,

ACCEPTING that Eclipsis now finds itself a trophy region of the faction calling itself "Raider Unity",

KNOWING that raiders such as them treat liberations on their trophies as badges of honor more than anything else,

ASSERTING that raiders do not deserve such badges of honor for committing atrocities such as the one in Eclipsis,

Hereby repeals SC#501 "Liberate Eclipsis".

[Little KC]

Not again, please not again.
ROTWW was enough, no?

[Hulldom]

Honestly, not inclined to help. Same as with ROTWW. You lost. Your bad shit got passed. Guess you'll actually have to shore up your support at vote as you did all those months ago or have to eat the occasional shit sandwich.

That being said, if the regions supporting this can make a positive case with their own effort as to why this should be supported, happy to support.

[Improper Classifications]

NOTING that, despite best attempts, Eclipsis fell permanently and irreparably into raider hands,

what best attempts???

[Notanam]

Support, another trophy for us.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Enough of this fucking liberation/repeal/liberation tennis. No support as this is nothing more than a badge hunt.

[Eshialand]

Rewritten with help from a co-author.

Enough of this fucking liberation/repeal/liberation tennis. No support as this is nothing more than a badge hunt.

I'm against raiders having badges on their trophies more than anything else. So sue me.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Rewritten with help from co-author Ostrovskiy.

Enough of this fucking liberation/repeal/liberation tennis. No support as this is nothing more than a badge hunt.

I'm against raiders having badges on their trophies more than anything else. So sue me.

If you don’t want raiders to have badges how about getting off your arse and doing some defending. Too hard? Much easier to go SC author badge hunting I suppose.

[Notanam]

I'm against raiders having badges on their trophies more than anything else.

And I'm all for hanging a banner in the Security Council for 4 days that reads "RAIDERS WON LOL". Maybe we aren't so different after all...

[Outer Sparta]

Why are certain members of the defender community always liberating regions that have no merit or reason to be liberated? Another massive L for the defenders and New Makasta.

[Angeloid Astraea]

The SC has become better raider advertisement than tag raiding.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Why are certain members of the defender community always liberating regions that have no merit or reason to be liberated? Another massive L for the defenders and New Makasta.

Eclipsis deserved the liberation; it had a good number of active natives!

What it also deserved, however, was more than one update of military action (plus a few belated TNP only quorum raids) to actually secure the effects of that liberation.

The LibJunct power combo is nigh on unstoppable (at least at doing the bare minimum of preventing total regional destruction) and only requires the bare minimum of delaying action that stalls raider influence gain (and/or removes raider blockers) long enough for them to pass. Nonetheless, even that level of No Region Left Behind enablement by the site is insufficient when faced with the level of complacency and surrender present in the defendapendent faction today.

[New Sunville]

Sobbing, however, at Eclipsis’ ultimate fate, which saw it landed permanently and irreparably in the hands of those who wish to destroy the light of the world

And I wonder whose fault that was. If you want regions to stay out of raider hands, then defending for more than one update increases your odds.

[Astrobolt]

Support if the legitimate natives want this repeal.

[Improper Classifications]

Support if the legitimate natives want this repeal.

Good luck finding more than three

[Indesputatio]

Support if the legitimate natives want this repeal.

I was part of Eclipsis. I got removed and Eclipsis got a password. Now some random law was passed and Eclipsis is still passworded and no one is there. What is the point of making these liberations? Are you guys pretending to be bureaucrats for no reason?

[Elite]

I think it's best to just move on.

[Nova Vinelandia]

Support if the legitimate natives want this repeal.

I was part of Eclipsis. I got removed and Eclipsis got a password. Now some random law was passed and Eclipsis is still passworded and no one is there. What is the point of making these liberations? Are you guys pretending to be bureaucrats for no reason?

The reason the liberation of Eclipsis did nothing is because the region was already captured and secured by us before it passed. Should defenders have at least jumped for several updates, and tried to play stall tactics, it might have done something, but it is too little too late. Now, they want to repeal their late liberation to hide this shameful and publicly visible record of their embarrassment. This isn't even the first time they've had to play "liberation/repeal tennis" as BBD put it further up here.

Fact is, defenders are so dominant in the political sphere they can basically pass any resolution they want. The Liberation proposal literally had a typo plus a second typo in the associated forum post. It cannot be overemphasized how lazy they are, and they still get their slop passed. And so they rely on it. Constantly. And immediately. But SC proposals are moot when actual action on the battlefield is non-existent. With the amount of SC Liberated regions that still fell to Raider hands, its doubtful at this point that these resolutions do anything more then pad the badge counts of those who write them.

Not that I mind. To reiterate from my colleague, ever time a Liberation needs to be repealed, it forces defenders to hang a big banner over the SC that says "yeah we lost this one" for 4 days. Every time they do this, their credibility diminishes. It only takes so many times for people to start noticing, that even with all the power of the World Assembly at their fingertips, defenders cannot protect you where and when it matters. Signing a treaty is the only path to safety.

[Rosartemis]

If defenders are good at one thing, it's keeping their tail between their legs while still barking up at the bigger dogs.

[Reventus Koth]

I'm against raiders having badges on their trophies more than anything else. So sue me.

I want you to know that in all my years of playing this game, this might legitimately be the most pathetic thing I have ever heard an active defender say. I've heard more ridiculous, scandalous, outrageous, etc. things of course, but in terms of pure shame you should be feeling by saying this unironically, I can't readily think of a similar turn of phrase.

More than anything else, Eshia? You've been part of over 100 liberation attempts, and what you care about more than anything else is making sure that raiders don't get a meaningless badge on the trophy they only have because of your complete lack of effort to save that region?

This mentality is why TGW has become a complete joke. Assuming you are being serious and that your priorities were not an exaggeration, you bring disgrace to the cause and should completely re-evaluate your approach to defending for your faction's well-being. You and your fellow recently promoted Warden-Lieutenant can submit this as written, get your free author badge, and feel good about knowing that once again, the only thing that defenders gained from a Malice operation is an SC author badge. At least raiders are up front about their egos and self-interest.

You insult the intelligence of the SC with your "sobbing" and "disgust". You didn't give a shit about Eclipsis enough to do a damn thing to protect it outside a token siege just to say that you didn't do absolutely nothing. The only people you should be disgusted with are your own cohort, the ones stealing the valor of the name "defenders", especially your coward leaders who deliberately signed the region's death warrant after update one. You're more interested in shaming and insulting raiders (e.g. calling us "sadists") than actually posting a threat to our operations.

I hope that people are going to see through this pathetic sob story at some point, and some already have. You really don't care. Go ahead and prove me wrong, let's see a hero origin story for once.

[Astrobolt]

I'm against raiders having badges on their trophies more than anything else. So sue me.

I want you to know that in all my years of playing this game, this might legitimately be the most pathetic thing I have ever heard an active defender say. I've heard more ridiculous, scandalous, outrageous, etc. things of course, but in terms of pure shame you should be feeling by saying this unironically, I can't readily think of a similar turn of phrase.

More than anything else, Eshia? You've been part of over 100 liberation attempts, and what you care about more than anything else is making sure that raiders don't get a meaningless badge on the trophy they only have because of your complete lack of effort to save that region?

There is agenda posting, and then there is this. If you clearly read Eshia’s post, they are replying to BBD’s assertion this is a badge hunt, with them claiming the motivation is against raider trophies having badges (as opposed to a badge hunt). You can propagandize without deliberately misconstruing someone’s post.

[Reventus Koth]

I want you to know that in all my years of playing this game, this might legitimately be the most pathetic thing I have ever heard an active defender say. I've heard more ridiculous, scandalous, outrageous, etc. things of course, but in terms of pure shame you should be feeling by saying this unironically, I can't readily think of a similar turn of phrase.

More than anything else, Eshia? You've been part of over 100 liberation attempts, and what you care about more than anything else is making sure that raiders don't get a meaningless badge on the trophy they only have because of your complete lack of effort to save that region?

There is agenda posting, and then there is this. If you clearly read Eshia’s post, they are replying to BBD’s assertion this is a badge hunt, with them claiming the motivation is against raider trophies having badges (as opposed to a badge hunt). You can propagandize without deliberately misconstruing someone’s post.

You do understand that it being a shameless badge hunt would actually be more honorable than what Eshia actually said though, right? Would you like to address how pathetic this mentality is for defenderdom, or would you like to ignore the point of the post and continue going "um akshually" over the least consequential part of it?

[Indesputatio]

I was part of Eclipsis. I got removed and Eclipsis got a password. Now some random law was passed and Eclipsis is still passworded and no one is there. What is the point of making these liberations? Are you guys pretending to be bureaucrats for no reason?

The reason the liberation of Eclipsis did nothing is because the region was already captured and secured by us before it passed. Should defenders have at least jumped for several updates, and tried to play stall tactics, it might have done something, but it is too little too late.

Makes sense. Good job on you. I voted against the liberation. For all I know you played the metagame well and deserved the win.

[Rosartemis]

I want you to know that in all my years of playing this game, this might legitimately be the most pathetic thing I have ever heard an active defender say. I've heard more ridiculous, scandalous, outrageous, etc. things of course, but in terms of pure shame you should be feeling by saying this unironically, I can't readily think of a similar turn of phrase.

More than anything else, Eshia? You've been part of over 100 liberation attempts, and what you care about more than anything else is making sure that raiders don't get a meaningless badge on the trophy they only have because of your complete lack of effort to save that region?

There is agenda posting, and then there is this. If you clearly read Eshia’s post, they are replying to BBD’s assertion this is a badge hunt, with them claiming the motivation is against raider trophies having badges (as opposed to a badge hunt). You can propagandize without deliberately misconstruing someone’s post.

There is agenda posting and just being flat out ignorant about the incompetence of your faction

[Astrobolt]

There is agenda posting, and then there is this. If you clearly read Eshia’s post, they are replying to BBD’s assertion this is a badge hunt, with them claiming the motivation is against raider trophies having badges (as opposed to a badge hunt). You can propagandize without deliberately misconstruing someone’s post.

You do understand that it being a shameless badge hunt would actually be more honorable than what Eshia actually said though, right? Would you like to address how pathetic this mentality is for defenderdom, or would you like to ignore the point of the post and continue going "um akshually" over the least consequential part of it?

I genuinely do not care for litigating the health of the faction with you (or anyone here on the forums to be fair). It really isn’t too much to ask that people not blatantly mischaracterize what other people mean when they make their points.

Again Eshia’s post clearly has nothing to do with what they prioritize most overall, but their motivation for pursuing this repeal specifically. You can think that motivation is silly, but make that argument instead of the mischaracterization.