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Should NationStates add war?

Poll ended at Thu May 16, 2024 8:10 pm

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No
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Total votes : 84

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Sretiop
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Postby Sretiop » Thu May 02, 2024 8:10 pm

My country, Sretiop has been aggravated and threatened by The Confederacy of the Rhienstadt for that last time, and I have chosen to go to war with them. Yet, there is no way from me to go to war on such a website. How about creating a system of war? If you want to go to war, you send someone a telegram regarding such. If they sign, then you go to war. If not, then you cannot send another declaration of war for 2 weeks. Sounds good?

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu May 02, 2024 8:16 pm

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Postby Notanam » Thu May 02, 2024 9:33 pm

I voted for both.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Thu May 02, 2024 10:13 pm

First, thread moved to the Technical forum where technical suggestions should go.

Second, Nationstates very intentionally does not have a war system and there is no intention of adding one. If another player is "being aggressive" toward you, then ignore them. No one can force you to RP a war you don't want to participate in; in other words you don't have to RP with anybody you do not wish to RP with. A simple "Leave me alone, I'm not interested." is plenty; a user persisting in trying to goad you into RPing with them can cross over the line into mod-actionable harassment.
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Postby Daphomir » Thu May 02, 2024 10:29 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:First, thread moved to the Technical forum where technical suggestions should go.

Second, Nationstates very intentionally does not have a war system and there is no intention of adding one. If another player is "being aggressive" toward you, then ignore them. No one can force you to RP a war you don't want to participate in; in other words you don't have to RP with anybody you do not wish to RP with. A simple "Leave me alone, I'm not interested." is plenty; a user persisting in trying to goad you into RPing with them can cross over the line into mod-actionable harassment.


I do have an idea; ik you probably won't be adding it anytime soon, but hear me out. What if there was a possible war minigame in NS that would act similarly to the challenge minigame? Basically, a nation would send a declaration of war to another nation, and the war would begin if the other nation accepts the declaration. If they don't, there is no war. Nations would level up, and higher level nations have a greater chance of winning. Ofc, to prevent a nation's declaration-of-war mailbox from being flooded with war declarations, there would be a filter that works similar to the telegram filter. Ik it wouldn't really be added into the game, but it's a concept I've been imagining for a fair while now.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Fri May 03, 2024 12:37 am

I think that might be called "N-Day"

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Postby Sretiop » Fri May 03, 2024 3:51 pm

Daphomir wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:First, thread moved to the Technical forum where technical suggestions should go.

Second, Nationstates very intentionally does not have a war system and there is no intention of adding one. If another player is "being aggressive" toward you, then ignore them. No one can force you to RP a war you don't want to participate in; in other words you don't have to RP with anybody you do not wish to RP with. A simple "Leave me alone, I'm not interested." is plenty; a user persisting in trying to goad you into RPing with them can cross over the line into mod-actionable harassment.


I do have an idea; ik you probably won't be adding it anytime soon, but hear me out. What if there was a possible war minigame in NS that would act similarly to the challenge minigame? Basically, a nation would send a declaration of war to another nation, and the war would begin if the other nation accepts the declaration. If they don't, there is no war. Nations would level up, and higher level nations have a greater chance of winning. Ofc, to prevent a nation's declaration-of-war mailbox from being flooded with war declarations, there would be a filter that works similar to the telegram filter. Ik it wouldn't really be added into the game, but it's a concept I've been imagining for a fair while now.


That's what I said! Make sure war is voluntary and not just a way for big countries to get bigger.

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Postby Nyoskova » Fri May 03, 2024 3:53 pm

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Postby Romanic Imperium » Fri May 03, 2024 3:54 pm

Sretiop wrote:
Daphomir wrote:
I do have an idea; ik you probably won't be adding it anytime soon, but hear me out. What if there was a possible war minigame in NS that would act similarly to the challenge minigame? Basically, a nation would send a declaration of war to another nation, and the war would begin if the other nation accepts the declaration. If they don't, there is no war. Nations would level up, and higher level nations have a greater chance of winning. Ofc, to prevent a nation's declaration-of-war mailbox from being flooded with war declarations, there would be a filter that works similar to the telegram filter. Ik it wouldn't really be added into the game, but it's a concept I've been imagining for a fair while now.


That's what I said! Make sure war is voluntary and not just a way for big countries to get bigger.


War is voluntary. If you dont want to rp with somone then theirs a multitude of options to ignore them, if it's on the forums just block them. Similar in tgs too I think
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Sretiop
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Postby Sretiop » Mon May 13, 2024 3:41 pm

Now that we have cleared up how it shall begin, now it must have a purpose and how it shall go on. Maybe, the country who wins the war, can answer one of the losing countries issues for a week. And for gameplay, the war minigame will have a navy, army, air force, marines, coast guard, and space force(if they have a space program), which the size will be determined by the percent of funding defense gets. Countries that practice conscription will have an extra 5% more men in their military. The only problem now is location. To go to war with someone, you need to know their land size, location, terrain, and etc. Since there are over 10 million countries in NationStates, there would have to be a map for every single country. In a NationStates alternative (which I found when the power cord was tripped over) called Politics & War, has you to establish a land mass at the creation of your country. How about making a huge map which updates every year when countries cte and when new countries are made? It may be lots of work, but it'll be worth it for war in NationStates.

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Postby Russk » Mon May 13, 2024 3:44 pm

I only feel like the NS should add war when going against countries that are at a similar military and economic prowess

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Postby Ancientania » Mon May 13, 2024 3:44 pm

Nyoskova wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Hooh!

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Postby Camtropia » Mon May 13, 2024 3:53 pm

Sretiop wrote:My country, Sretiop has been aggravated and threatened by The Confederacy of the Rhienstadt for that last time, and I have chosen to go to war with them. Yet, there is no way from me to go to war on such a website. How about creating a system of war? If you want to go to war, you send someone a telegram regarding such. If they sign, then you go to war. If not, then you cannot send another declaration of war for 2 weeks. Sounds good?


I mean... it's probably a good thing (for you) that you can't really go to war with The Rheinstadt. I imagine if NS did implement a war system, it would mostly be based off the Defence Forces stat... and Rheinstadt is in the top 2% of this stat! You would very quickly become "Rheinkommissariat Sretiop" or something.

I think war should stick to being a forum RP thing... although I would love it if N-Day happened once per month instead of once per year!
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Postby Sretiop » Tue May 14, 2024 9:20 am

Camtropia wrote:
Sretiop wrote:My country, Sretiop has been aggravated and threatened by The Confederacy of the Rhienstadt for that last time, and I have chosen to go to war with them. Yet, there is no way from me to go to war on such a website. How about creating a system of war? If you want to go to war, you send someone a telegram regarding such. If they sign, then you go to war. If not, then you cannot send another declaration of war for 2 weeks. Sounds good?


I mean... it's probably a good thing (for you) that you can't really go to war with The Rheinstadt. I imagine if NS did implement a war system, it would mostly be based off the Defence Forces stat... and Rheinstadt is in the top 2% of this stat! You would very quickly become "Rheinkommissariat Sretiop" or something.

I think war should stick to being a forum RP thing... although I would love it if N-Day happened once per month instead of once per year!


The Rheinstadt may have high defence forces but what about education and economy? My military is smarter than his and has more supplies. I have top 2% car manufacturing, which means more armored cars and tanks for the military to use. Plus, I already nuked Brazilistan (International Incidents) I can nuke them too.

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Postby Sretiop » Wed May 15, 2024 3:56 pm

TIMES ALMOST UP!!!! Only 1 day left to vote on the burning question, should NationStates have war? Which ever side gets more votes, will be sent to Max Barry himself, to see if he will make it reality. Use the voice some of your citizens don't have!

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Postby Russian Brotherhood » Wed May 15, 2024 3:59 pm

Sretiop wrote:TIMES ALMOST UP!!!! Only 1 day left to vote on the burning question, should NationStates have war? Which ever side gets more votes, will be sent to Max Barry himself, to see if he will make it reality. Use the voice some of your citizens don't have!

Not to be rude. Your vote doesn't matter, NS mods have already said that it won't happen, let it go.

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Postby SherpDaWerp » Wed May 15, 2024 4:00 pm

Nationstates development is not decided by forum vote, let alone forum votes with less than 100 participants.

We have no plan to ever add a direct war mechanic to the game. It runs counter to the principles of the game itself - you are in control of your nation, always.
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Postby Kostane » Wed May 15, 2024 4:01 pm

Sretiop wrote:TIMES ALMOST UP!!!! Only 1 day left to vote on the burning question, should NationStates have war? Which ever side gets more votes, will be sent to Max Barry himself, to see if he will make it reality. Use the voice some of your citizens don't have!

The problem with this is that NationState already has war. It's called RP. This is a text-based roleplaying game, not a war simulator. Which means that you can simulate whatever war you want in the forums. Or, you can find an online war simulator and create a forum in which you use that to determine your results. Forums just give you so many more options than set rules in a war RP.
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Postby Sretiop » Wed May 15, 2024 4:15 pm

welp I tried. Kinda thought I could do something. I guess not. Plus, my reason for war was pretty petty anyway.
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Postby Russian Brotherhood » Wed May 15, 2024 4:17 pm

Sretiop wrote:welp I tried. Kinda thought I could do something. I guess not. Plus, my reason for war was pretty petty anyway.

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Postby Sretiop » Thu May 16, 2024 12:47 pm

Russian Brotherhood wrote:
Sretiop wrote:welp I tried. Kinda thought I could do something. I guess not. Plus, my reason for war was pretty petty anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing
Here read up on this.

I know how to roleplay dude. I just don't prefer it.

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Thu May 16, 2024 7:21 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:Nationstates very intentionally does not have a war system and there is no intention of adding one.

You've been answered by Senior Staff, and there is nothing further to advance this topic. iLock.


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