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Are you a Mormon/Latter Day Saint?

Yes, I am a member of the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
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Yes, I am a member of the Community of Christ
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Yes, I am a Bickertonite (Church of Jesus Christ)
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Sorta, I believe in the Book of Mormon but don't associate with one denomination
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No, but I am a Christian
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No, I don't believe in Christianity and/or any religion at all
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Total votes : 59

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Postby Nephitia » Thu May 02, 2024 7:15 pm

Before you say "We're/they're not Mormons, we're/they're Latter Day Saints!", I know. I wrote the title the way it is because its more eye catching, size friendly, and also includes other Latter Day Saint movements, like Community of Christ.

I personally grew up in Independence, Missouri, where there was and is a presence of Latter Day Saints (in Jackson County) and while I was never raised as a Latter Day Saint, I gained alot of knowledge about it overtime outside and inside Independence. In Independence, there is the Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
which is a continuation of lineal succession which became challenged after the death of Joseph Smith and his brother. There is also a beautiful temple called Independence Temple which is run by the Community of Christ, formally the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the Community of Christ being a mostly reform branch of the LDS movement.

in my area I live in now, its mainly just the mainstream LDS church, which is in my opinion the correct denomination in the sense the Community of Christ and the Remnant Church stick(ed) to lineal succession for quite a while and the fact that its generally also more understandable as the Community of Christ is more protestant leaning while the Remnant Church is not a subject I really get.

I've kind of been drawn to it but to be forward I am not technically a LDS member as of typing this yet. The more I read the Book of Mormon and learn about LDS values, the more I actually genuinely understand it.

I know that there are LDS out here, so I created this. I can't really give input, but I like to learn.
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Thu May 02, 2024 7:18 pm

Imma be completely and utterly honest:

Mormonism is an American fan fiction of the Bible.
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Postby New Temecula » Thu May 02, 2024 7:20 pm

Since this is a Mormon discussion thread, therefore there will be Mormons, what is y'all's opinion on the concept of Deseret?
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Postby Nephitia » Thu May 02, 2024 7:22 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:Imma be completely and utterly honest:

Mormonism is an American fan fiction of the Bible.


Never heard of Mormonism. You must mean the Latter Day Saints movement.

With that idea, you could say the New Testament is fan fiction and so on.

New Temecula wrote:Since this is a Mormon discuwsion thread, therefore there will be Mormons, what is y'all's opinion on the concept of Deseret?


Proposed state, not much of big deal to me.

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Postby Phobos Drilling and Manufacturing » Thu May 02, 2024 7:32 pm

Nephitia wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:Imma be completely and utterly honest:

Mormonism is an American fan fiction of the Bible.


Never heard of Mormonism. You must mean the Latter Day Saints movement.

With that idea, you could say the New Testament is fan fiction and so on.

New Temecula wrote:Since this is a Mormon discuwsion thread, therefore there will be Mormons, what is y'all's opinion on the concept of Deseret?


Proposed state, not much of big deal to me.

The Torah is the original, The Bible is the sequel, The Quran is the third installment that retcons the sequel but extends the lore of cinematic universe.

Oh yeah and the Sikhs were a crossover event with the Hindus to perpetuate the hype of the third movie.

Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox are ppl who have different interpretations of the lore in the second film and don’t consider the third one to be canon.

Latter Day Saints are the people who make high quality fan fiction.

Gnostics are the dudes who read the wiki and have all the lore memorized in the extended universe that doesn’t appear in the films.

(This is all obviously a joke btw)
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Postby Floofybit » Thu May 02, 2024 8:39 pm

I'm not a Latter Day Saint either :)
New Temecula wrote:Since this is a Mormon discussion thread, therefore there will be Mormons, what is y'all's opinion on the concept of Deseret?

It was an interesting idea. Perfectly fine that it never passed though.
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Postby Tsardom of Alaska » Thu May 02, 2024 8:54 pm

I'm not a Latter-Day Saint myself, but I live near an LDS temple and have some Mormon friends, they're pretty cool people. I don't think it's any more or less valid than any other religion, though I do find its history pretty fascinating.
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Postby Floofybit » Thu May 02, 2024 8:55 pm

Tsardom of Alaska wrote:I'm not a Latter-Day Saint myself, but I live near an LDS temple and have some Mormon friends, they're pretty cool people. I don't think it's any more or less valid than any other religion though.

Temples are so pretty tbh. I'm glad to live near so many of them.
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Postby Vrbo » Thu May 02, 2024 9:01 pm

Mormonism always seemed like a cult. Most people I know agree with that assumption within the few areas I know.
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Postby Nephitia » Fri May 03, 2024 6:19 am

Vrbo wrote:Mormonism always seemed like a cult. Most people I know agree with that assumption within the few areas I know.


A cult does not have over 16 million members, its usually limited to a few hundred on a good day. The Latter Day Saint movement is far from a cult.

A cult makes you stay away from your family and media. Its a common stereotype but the Latter Day Saints do not just stay away from games and movies because of their religion. I know many Latter Day Saints that play games with Mature ratings which is actually more shunned by other denominations than I ever have seen. There is prohibitions like no drinking alcohol, no drinking hot drinks, and no tobacco, which is not too far off from whats reasonable but is not usually against the rules in protestantism for example.

You could consider Jehovah's Witnesses as a cult, but the Latter Day Saints are not cultists, there are no secret rituals or anything like that. Calling the general Latter Day Saint movement a cult is unfounding and untrue.
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Fri May 03, 2024 7:03 am

Nephitia wrote:
Vrbo wrote:Mormonism always seemed like a cult. Most people I know agree with that assumption within the few areas I know.


A cult does not have over 16 million members, its usually limited to a few hundred on a good day. The Latter Day Saint movement is far from a cult.

A cult makes you stay away from your family and media. Its a common stereotype but the Latter Day Saints do not just stay away from games and movies because of their religion. I know many Latter Day Saints that play games with Mature ratings which is actually more shunned by other denominations than I ever have seen. There is prohibitions like no drinking alcohol, no drinking hot drinks, and no tobacco, which is not too far off from whats reasonable but is not usually against the rules in protestantism for example.

You could consider Jehovah's Witnesses as a cult, but the Latter Day Saints are not cultists, there are no secret rituals or anything like that. Calling the general Latter Day Saint movement a cult is unfounding and untrue.

“Cults never have more than a few hundred members”

>Moonies cult with over 6 million members

I don’t think the church of the Latter Day Saints are a cult, however compared to traditional Christianity which its book has some historic backing, Latter Day Saints seems rather silly. There is literally no historical proof of there being a lost Israeli tribe in the USA.

Jehovah’s Witness are a cult tho 100%
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Postby Galanica » Fri May 03, 2024 7:26 am

I'm a Christian, and while I think Mormonism is a false religion, I will admit their view of the afterlife is pretty cool. You get to be the god of your own planet.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri May 03, 2024 7:45 am

The basic historical and archaeological assumptions underlying the Book of Mormon are demonstrably false, whether it's the concept of 'reformed Egyptian' or a great lost North American civilisation.

Joseph Smith had no way of knowing how Egyptology and North American archaeology would advance in the decades after his death, and he seems to have been unaware of Champollion's decipherment of Egyptian hieroglyphs immediately before Smith came up with his entertaining story about golden plates written in 'reformed Egyptian', but the Latter Day Saints movement would have been impossible in the form founded by Smith even a decade or so later.

This is why the Community of Christ is the only LDS denomination I have much time for; they're virtually the only denomination that takes a non-literalist approach to the Book of Mormon.

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Postby HISPIDA » Fri May 03, 2024 7:52 am

mormonism is rather interesting. one of the few polytheistic religions that's still kicking it here in the west. genuinely kinda surprised it's stuck around for so long.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri May 03, 2024 10:23 am

Nephitia wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:Imma be completely and utterly honest:

Mormonism is an American fan fiction of the Bible.


Never heard of Mormonism. You must mean the Latter Day Saints movement.

With that idea, you could say the New Testament is fan fiction and so on.

New Temecula wrote:Since this is a Mormon discuwsion thread, therefore there will be Mormons, what is y'all's opinion on the concept of Deseret?


Proposed state, not much of big deal to me.


Religious books can all be considered fiction by a lot of people. *shrug*

I don’t like Mormonism, or any of its offshoot groups. It comes across as an oppressive, obscure, patriarchal, and regressive cult. I think those who adhere to the teachings of Joseph Smith are brainwashed and confused people.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri May 03, 2024 10:32 am

Their theology is very kooky (though fascinating), but they're one of the few decent groups of people in America with above replacement fertility. Good stock too (foundational Yankee pioneers supported by successful missionary work in Scandinavia and the UK in the 19th Century). Not too keen on their later missionary efforts but they seem to be imparting a very surface level Mormonism onto those people rather than integrating them into the Utah culture (example: Polynesians).

Mormon culture went from being the archetypal anti-government doomsday preppers to what a society run by Ned Flanders would look like. Now Mormons have achieved high levels of success in American society, comprising a disproportionate amount of corporate executives and intelligence agents. They also tend to have above-average incomes in the US. Frankly, society needs more of them.

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Postby Nephitia » Fri May 03, 2024 11:35 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Nephitia wrote:
Never heard of Mormonism. You must mean the Latter Day Saints movement.

With that idea, you could say the New Testament is fan fiction and so on.



Proposed state, not much of big deal to me.


Religious books can all be considered fiction by a lot of people. *shrug*

I don’t like Mormonism, or any of its offshoot groups. It comes across as an oppressive, obscure, patriarchal, and regressive cult. I think those who adhere to the teachings of Joseph Smith are brainwashed and confused people.


Never heard of it being oppressive. the "offshoot" of the Community of Christ actually permits LGBTQ+ marriages and I also know mainstream LDS are permitted to view most media as long as its not straight up pornography. Actually, LDS would probably let you in if you were LGBTQ+, many people who have bad habits (don't claim I said homosexuality is a bad habit) come to the Church for help.
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Postby Novarisiya » Tue May 07, 2024 10:44 am

LDS is pretty cool. Really stereotyped but that really just applies to a few people. Most Latter Day Saints I've met are decent people.

Just like with any movement or religion, there are some crazies, and some highly conservative ones, but then there are also some liberal ones.

Yes, there are some not friendly Latter Day Saints, and then there are some really nice ones like most I've met. They speak like you and me, and its far off from being as bad as some other movements like the Jehovah's Witnesses or some cults.
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Postby Zancostan » Tue May 07, 2024 11:17 am

Novarisiya wrote:LDS is pretty cool. Really stereotyped but that really just applies to a few people. Most Latter Day Saints I've met are decent people.

Just like with any movement or religion, there are some crazies, and some highly conservative ones, but then there are also some liberal ones.

Yes, there are some not friendly Latter Day Saints, and then there are some really nice ones like most I've met. They speak like you and me, and its far off from being as bad as some other movements like the Jehovah's Witnesses or some cults.


Being nice doesn't make ones claims more or less falsifiable.

A modern religion with a want to spread is of course going to be "nice". You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
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Postby Volvo Cars » Tue May 07, 2024 11:20 am

I mistook it for moron, so I clicked on

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Postby Novarisiya » Tue May 07, 2024 11:31 am

Zancostan wrote:
Novarisiya wrote:LDS is pretty cool. Really stereotyped but that really just applies to a few people. Most Latter Day Saints I've met are decent people.

Just like with any movement or religion, there are some crazies, and some highly conservative ones, but then there are also some liberal ones.

Yes, there are some not friendly Latter Day Saints, and then there are some really nice ones like most I've met. They speak like you and me, and its far off from being as bad as some other movements like the Jehovah's Witnesses or some cults.


Being nice doesn't make ones claims more or less falsifiable.

A modern religion with a want to spread is of course going to be "nice". You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.


Well, how do you go to Heaven?
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Postby Zancostan » Tue May 07, 2024 12:44 pm

Novarisiya wrote:
Zancostan wrote:
Being nice doesn't make ones claims more or less falsifiable.

A modern religion with a want to spread is of course going to be "nice". You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.


Well, how do you go to Heaven?


Same way I go to Narnia. Or Azeroth. Or Faerun. Or any other made-up place.

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New Temecula wrote:Since this is a Mormon discussion thread, therefore there will be Mormons, what is y'all's opinion on the concept of Deseret?

Deseret was literally a theocracy which practiced apartheid and slavery. What else would i think?

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Postby Galanica » Tue May 07, 2024 1:19 pm

So, how do the Bickertonites differ from the main LDS church?
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Postby Floofybit » Tue May 07, 2024 1:23 pm

Galanica wrote:So, how do the Bickertonites differ from the main LDS church?

They're a splinter group
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