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Postby Armbruster » Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:25 pm

An event in which not everyone can take part is not a good event. (dyscalculia etc.)
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Postby Roavin » Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:44 pm

We wanted to use puzzles for several reasons, including that it makes sure it's a player experience and puppet masters can't dominate the event (like in other events we do).

We wanted to do additional kinds of puzzles but simply ran out of time. Do you have suggestions for what we could include if we run this event again in the future?

(that all being said - most of these puzzles don't need math per se to solve, just a bit of pattern recognition - check out kakuro tables online!)
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Postby Valentine Z » Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:47 pm

I like the puzzle idea, but to be fair to those with dyscalculia, would a word puzzle do?
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Postby Armbruster » Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:47 pm

All of em need at least some basic math skills, I struggle to do em, and alot of ppl to, ive talked to some. Maybe dont pick evenmt that needs some skills who people cant have. Basic games is the solution.
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Postby Saperetia » Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:49 pm

To both of you above: I'm pretty sure this is still a team event, so you can join up forces with people who have math skills to craft artifacts.

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Postby Empire of Lettuce » Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:50 pm

Valentine Z wrote:I like the puzzle idea, but to be fair to those with dyscalculia, would a word puzzle do?

I cant handle the numbers and dont have the time with ADHD.
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Postby Cessarea » Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:53 pm

Roavin wrote:We wanted to use puzzles for several reasons, including that it makes sure it's a player experience and puppet masters can't dominate the event (like in other events we do).

We wanted to do additional kinds of puzzles but simply ran out of time. Do you have suggestions for what we could include if we run this event again in the future?

(that all being said - most of these puzzles don't need math per se to solve, just a bit of pattern recognition - check out kakuro tables online!)

Word puzzles are nice - something similar to wordle or just a good ol' crosswords.
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Postby United Calanworie » Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:54 pm

Armbruster wrote:All of em need at least some basic math skills, I struggle to do em, and alot of ppl to, ive talked to some. Maybe dont pick evenmt that needs some skills who people cant have. Basic games is the solution.

Okay. Suggest some then. We're open to improvements, but we're not a fan of "YOU DID BAD DO BETTER" a la the dog meme
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Postby Aadhiris » Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:55 pm

Cessarea wrote:
Roavin wrote:We wanted to use puzzles for several reasons, including that it makes sure it's a player experience and puppet masters can't dominate the event (like in other events we do).

We wanted to do additional kinds of puzzles but simply ran out of time. Do you have suggestions for what we could include if we run this event again in the future?

(that all being said - most of these puzzles don't need math per se to solve, just a bit of pattern recognition - check out kakuro tables online!)

Word puzzles are nice - something similar to wordle or just a good ol' crosswords.

Yeah, I like word puzzles!

I really don't get this event tbh, I don't even know where to start...
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Postby Armbruster » Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:56 pm

United Calanworie wrote:
Armbruster wrote:All of em need at least some basic math skills, I struggle to do em, and alot of ppl to, ive talked to some. Maybe dont pick evenmt that needs some skills who people cant have. Basic games is the solution.

Okay. Suggest some then. We're open to improvements, but we're not a fan of "YOU DID BAD DO BETTER" a la the dog meme
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Basic sudoku, word puzzles...no math skills necessary. There are planty mini games out there that are easy to do for everyone.
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Postby Empire of Lettuce » Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:58 pm

Armbruster wrote:
United Calanworie wrote:Okay. Suggest some then. We're open to improvements, but we're not a fan of "YOU DID BAD DO BETTER" a la the dog meme
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Basic sudoku, word puzzles...no math skills necessary. There are planty mini games out there that are easy to do for everyone.

I think this was an oversight of NSS
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Postby Ozzy » Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:58 pm

What the fuck is this? Why can't I use zeroes? Why does this thing fucking hate even numbers?

Inb4 someone already developed a tool or a bot to do all the calculations for them.
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Postby United Calanworie » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:00 pm

Empire of Lettuce wrote:
Armbruster wrote:Basic sudoku, word puzzles...no math skills necessary. There are planty mini games out there that are easy to do for everyone.

I think this was an oversight of NSS

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Postby Empire of Lettuce » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:01 pm

United Calanworie wrote:
Empire of Lettuce wrote:I think this was an oversight of NSS

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Postby United Calanworie » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:02 pm

Ozzy wrote:What the fuck is this? Why can't I use zeroes? Why does this thing fucking hate even numbers?

Inb4 someone already developed a tool or a bot to do all the calculations for them.

Look, I'm not saying that there's websites to do kakuros, but there's websites to do kakuros, not to mention that if you have a scrap of programming knowledge you could implement a solver like this one in Python.
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Postby United Calanworie » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:03 pm

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Today I learned that some people abbreviate it like that. But there was a definite choice on our end to use kakuros as opposed to other puzzles. (time investment per puzzle required, ease of solving, size of the puzzle, etc)
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Postby Saperetia » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:03 pm

United Calanworie wrote:
Ozzy wrote:What the fuck is this? Why can't I use zeroes? Why does this thing fucking hate even numbers?

Inb4 someone already developed a tool or a bot to do all the calculations for them.

Look, I'm not saying that there's websites to do kakuros, but there's websites to do kakuros, not to mention that if you have a scrap of programming knowledge you could implement a solver like this one in Python.

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Postby Empire of Lettuce » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:05 pm

United Calanworie wrote:
Empire of Lettuce wrote:NationStates Staff

Today I learned that some people abbreviate it like that. But there was a definite choice on our end to use kakuros as opposed to other puzzles. (time investment per puzzle required, ease of solving, size of the puzzle, etc)

People with ADHD, people with bad math, people who simply dont have time, people who want to have fun.

People who are good with math, people with bots (THAT CANT HELP YOU AS ITS A LIKE AND DISLIKE)
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Postby Torisakia » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:09 pm

I agree that the idea of having the user solve math problems to participate doesn't work for everyone (myself included). Hell I even threw the puzzles into ChatGPT and even it didn't know how to solve them. In the future maybe add a secondary puzzle, like a word puzzle, a player can do if they can't do the Kakuros. I come on NS to get away from mathematics, not to do them here. :p
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Postby United Calanworie » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:10 pm

Empire of Lettuce wrote:
United Calanworie wrote:Today I learned that some people abbreviate it like that. But there was a definite choice on our end to use kakuros as opposed to other puzzles. (time investment per puzzle required, ease of solving, size of the puzzle, etc)

People with ADHD, people with bad math, people who simply dont have time, people who want to have fun.

People who are good with math, people with bots (THAT CANT HELP YOU AS ITS A LIKE AND DISLIKE)

I think we've seen (and understand) some of the concerns raised here by y'all. I should note though that there's not going to be one "silver bullet" puzzle for anyone, and that there will inevitably be players who can't do a certain type of puzzle for whatever reason. (e.g. players with dyslexia might have issues with a crossword-based puzzle, players with dyspraxia could suffer while attempting to do a puzzle requiring you to rotate an object to a certain point, color-blind players might not be able to do a "match the colors" puzzle) We can perhaps look into multiple puzzle types for the next time we run this event.
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Postby Delitai » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:12 pm

The amount of forums being created over this is kinda a lot. This is one of those times I see Nationstates united
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Postby Weimar Republic RP » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:13 pm

Torisakia wrote:I agree that the idea of having the user solve math problems to participate doesn't work for everyone (myself included). Hell I even threw the puzzles into ChatGPT and even it didn't know how to solve them. In the future maybe add a secondary puzzle, like a word puzzle, a player can do if they can't do the Kakuros. I come on NS to get away from mathematics, not to do them here. :p

Agreed on the Maths

As it pains me to criticise the hard work of the NSS, I wouldn’t call it the best event. I only just completed a puzzle after over an hour of trying to figure it out. I don’t even have any (medically confirmed) disabilities like ADHD! I know I’m stupid but still. I honestly thing a random word puzzle, like wordle, would be better and would be soooo much easier and fun.

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Postby Empire of Lettuce » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:14 pm

United Calanworie wrote:
Empire of Lettuce wrote:People with ADHD, people with bad math, people who simply dont have time, people who want to have fun.

People who are good with math, people with bots (THAT CANT HELP YOU AS ITS A LIKE AND DISLIKE)

I think we've seen (and understand) some of the concerns raised here by y'all. I should note though that there's not going to be one "silver bullet" puzzle for anyone, and that there will inevitably be players who can't do a certain type of puzzle for whatever reason. (e.g. players with dyslexia might have issues with a crossword-based puzzle, players with dyspraxia could suffer while attempting to do a puzzle requiring you to rotate an object to a certain point, color-blind players might not be able to do a "match the colors" puzzle) We can perhaps look into multiple puzzle types for the next time we run this event.

Okay this is a good idea. Instead of having one, have 1-5 puzzles for people. Therefore you are giving people a chance to have fun.
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Postby Delitai » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:17 pm

United Calanworie wrote:
Armbruster wrote:All of em need at least some basic math skills, I struggle to do em, and alot of ppl to, ive talked to some. Maybe dont pick evenmt that needs some skills who people cant have. Basic games is the solution.

Okay. Suggest some then. We're open to improvements, but we're not a fan of "YOU DID BAD DO BETTER" a la the dog meme
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Can you add hints please

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Postby Saperetia » Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:19 pm

People out here hating the event meanwhile this event has caused me to do the most international diplomacy I have done since I created this nation.

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