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Who is "actually" the worst President of the US ever

Postby Zancostan » Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:30 am

It's election season and we are seeing both parties comically claim that their candidate was the "worst President in US history".

A quite ridiculous claim when compared to say, Andrew Johnson who practically ruined the post war reconstructions (thank Goodness for Grant) or Franklin Pierce who signed the Kansas Nebraska act. Or heck if we want to talk about 20th century presidents a lot of people's logic seems to be "Oh yea the President is responsible for the bad things that happen in their term". So, what about Herbert Hoover? (Not that I agree with this reasoning).

Who in your opinion is "actually" the worst US president ever? Because I have a hard time believing it is DJT or JB.
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Postby Bhadeshistan » Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:32 am

Buchanan is the worst president, he did nothing regarding the South, let them secede and bring that issue up to one of the best presidents we had, Abraham Lincoln.

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Postby Siluvia » Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:34 am

Bill Clinton, with Buchanan a close second.
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Postby Gutachter » Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:35 am

Woodrow Wilson
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Postby Ineva » Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:38 am

I second the ones already mentioned, though an honorable mention would be Herbert Hoover.
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Postby Unclear » Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:39 am

Herbert Hoover, he did absolutely nothing to help people effected by the Depression.
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:43 am

When looking at presidents I look at them in 2 aspects.

1. How they actually preformed as a president

2. How they were as an actual person


LBJ for example, was a good president performance wise, but as a person he was an asshole and kinda pervy



Worst President Performance wise I would say James Buchanan by a long shot

Worst president as a person I would say either Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, or Woodrow Wilson


On the other hand the best president performance wise I would say be FDR or Teddy Rosevelt

Best president as a person would definitely be Jimmy Carter
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Postby Repreteop » Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:45 am

I extremely dislike Woodrow Wilson, the Klan sympathizer, Andrew Jackson, the man who sent Cherokee on a death march that I could say was comparable to the Nazi death marches, and so on.

Hoover has some more respect because he was alright before he was president and if the circumstances were different, things may have been better.
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Postby Zancostan » Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:06 am

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:When looking at presidents I look at them in 2 aspects.

1. How they actually preformed as a president

2. How they were as an actual person


LBJ for example, was a good president performance wise, but as a person he was an asshole and kinda pervy



Worst President Performance wise I would say James Buchanan by a long shot

Worst president as a person I would say either Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, or Woodrow Wilson


On the other hand the best president performance wise I would say be FDR or Teddy Rosevelt

Best president as a person would definitely be Jimmy Carter



What about "favorite" president? For example my "favorite" is probably Franklin Pierce because he looks like Johnny Depp and has a hilariously tragic life story.
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Postby Floofybit » Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:08 am

Probably all of them because I still have to pay for fruit
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Postby Zancostan » Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:16 am

Floofybit wrote:Probably all of them because I still have to pay for fruit


Interesting..
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:31 am

Zancostan wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:When looking at presidents I look at them in 2 aspects.

1. How they actually preformed as a president

2. How they were as an actual person


LBJ for example, was a good president performance wise, but as a person he was an asshole and kinda pervy



Worst President Performance wise I would say James Buchanan by a long shot

Worst president as a person I would say either Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, or Woodrow Wilson


On the other hand the best president performance wise I would say be FDR or Teddy Rosevelt

Best president as a person would definitely be Jimmy Carter



What about "favorite" president? For example my "favorite" is probably Franklin Pierce because he looks like Johnny Depp and has a hilariously tragic life story.

Favorite by far is Teddy Roosevelt. Like he was literally a Gigachad.
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Postby Parouty » Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:32 am

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Postby Ineva » Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:06 pm

Parouty wrote:Trump.

Surely, there have been far worse.
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Postby Almighty Roosevelt » Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:09 pm

Taft or Wilson, by Godfrey, without a doubt.
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Postby Zancostan » Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:12 pm

Parouty wrote:Trump.



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Andrew Jackson deliberately oversaw the killing of thousands of Native Americans and 2-13 people he killed personally in duels on the White House Lawn.

I don't like Trump but..
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:12 pm

Ineva wrote:
Parouty wrote:Trump.

Surely, there have been far worse.

Trump is the worst in recent memory though.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:15 pm

Buchanan by a very wide margin. Other commonly chosen ones like Jackson and Wilson have complicated legacies and were generally bad people but that's different from their presidency and where it should be ranked, Woodrow Wilson as an example genuinely did a lot of good things internationally despite being a turboracist.
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Postby Zancostan » Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:15 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Ineva wrote:Surely, there have been far worse.

Trump is the worst in recent memory though.


True, but that isn't what we're discussing.
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Postby Quasi-Stellar Star Civilizations » Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:15 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:Favorite by far is Teddy Roosevelt. Like he was literally a Gigachad.


Seconded.

The worst, in my opinion, was Andrew Johnson. He literally was the first president to be impeached. Close second is Jackson, simply for the fact of the Indian Removal Act.

Although, I don’t know why people are hating on Hoover. He tried, and actually laid the foundations for the New Deal, which FDR took further.
Not in the top ten, but Hoover definitely isn’t the worst.
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Postby Zancostan » Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:18 pm

Quasi-Stellar Star Civilizations wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:Favorite by far is Teddy Roosevelt. Like he was literally a Gigachad.


Seconded.

The worst, in my opinion, was Andrew Johnson. He literally was the first president to be impeached. Close second is Jackson, simply for the fact of the Indian Removal Act.

Although, I don’t know why people are hating on Hoover. He tried, and actually laid the foundations for the New Deal, which FDR took further.
Not in the top ten, but Hoover definitely isn’t the worst.


I was just using Hoover as an example of following a certain (erroneous) path of logic.
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:18 pm

Quasi-Stellar Star Civilizations wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:Favorite by far is Teddy Roosevelt. Like he was literally a Gigachad.


Seconded.

The worst, in my opinion, was Andrew Johnson. He literally was the first president to be impeached. Close second is Jackson, simply for the fact of the Indian Removal Act.

Although, I don’t know why people are hating on Hoover. He tried, and actually laid the foundations for the New Deal, which FDR took further.
Not in the top ten, but Hoover definitely isn’t the worst.

I would say Hoover was just incompetent, not intentionally tho.

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