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[Draft 1] - World Assembly Lottery

Postby Simone Republic » Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:56 pm

Motivation

Because, um…, capitalism. And also because this is funnier than re-running the WA Merchandise one again.

Problem gambling is already covered by GA#123.

Category: Free trade, mild. (I can't think of another category).

Draft 1

The World Assembly (WA),

Noting that many WA states rely on gaming and lotteries to generate revenue for their governments;

Noting that selling lottery tickets across all WA states may generate bigger jackpots and thus generate more income for charitable causes as well as to reduce the burden on the General Fund;

The WA hereby enacts as follows:

  1. Definitions.
    1. GAO means the General Accounting Office.
    2. GF means the General Fund.
    3. IHACC means the International Humanitarian Aid Coordination Committee.
    4. JC means the Judiciary Committee. The JC shall be responsible for enforcement and interpretation of this resolution in case of disputes.
  2. WA Lottery.
    1. The WA Lottery (“Lottery”) is hereby established and is administered by the GAO.
    2. Each Lottery ticket shall effectively cost the same in each participating WA state (and in the WAHQ), subject to minor differences due to exchange rate fluctuations.
    3. Draws on the Lottery shall take place every 24 hours according to the WAHQ calendar.
    4. Draws shall take place at the WAHQ and audited and independently monitored by the JC.
    5. The Lottery shall use up-to-date technologies for counterfeiting, random drawing, and ticket sales.
  3. Participation by WA states.
    1. Participation by WA states in the Lottery is entirely voluntary.
    2. All Lottery tickets in WA states are to be sold by designated authorities of each WA state that voluntarily participates in the Lottery.
    3. WA states should ensure that they have the technological means to participate in the Lottery if they choose to participate.
    4. Each WA state that voluntarily participates in the Lottery is to determine the criteria for participation, such as age and legal competence, and the means of distribution of Lottery tickets.
  4. Block on prohibition.
    1. No WA state may prohibit their citizens, nationals, or subjects (“players”) from purchasing Lottery tickets when they are physically outside the jurisdiction of that WA state.
    2. No WA state may prohibit or penalize their players from exiting to another WA state to purchase Lottery tickets.
    3. The taxation of Lottery winnings is subject to the local laws of each WA state.
  5. WA employees cannot play.
    1. No employees, representatives, or contractors of WA organs that are involved in the operation of the Lottery may play the Lottery, directly or indirectly.
    2. Any such purchases shall be subject to criminal penalties to be determined by the JC.
  6. Promotion to non-WA states.
    1. The WA declares that it is beneficial for individuals from non-WA states to participate in the WA Lottery, in order to increase the pool of participants and the potential to raise more funds for charitable causes that ultimately benefit WA states more than non-WA states.
    2. The GAO is responsible for administering the marketing and distribution of the WA Lottery to non-WA participants, in coordination with those non-WA states that choose to participate. Inhabitants from non-WA states remain eligible to win prizes in the Lottery.
  7. Proceeds.
    1. 50% of the gross proceeds of the Lottery shall be used as prize money. The prize money is pooled and paid out for all Lottery winners.
    2. The remaining 50% of the proceeds of the Lottery from each state is to be split at half (each 25% of the total) between (1) the state that participates in the Lottery and (2) the WA.
    3. All administrative expenses at the state level shall be funded by that state’s share of the proceeds from the Lottery.
    4. The use of proceeds after deduction of administrative expenses at that state’s level shall be at the discretion of that state.
    5. All administrative expenses at the WA level shall be funded by the WA’s share of the proceeds from the Lottery.
    6. All proceeds after deduction of administrative expenses at the WA level should be used to fund the IHACC.
    7. Any remaining proceeds shall go to the General Fund.
    8. The GAO is to ensure that the Lottery is vastly profitable for the WA and for states that participate in the Lottery, by minimizing administrative costs.
  8. Other matters.
    1. Each state that participates in the Lottery shall determine appropriate means to try to prevent or limit excessive gaming by players, subject to local laws or extant WA resolutions.
    2. The WAHQ shall have at least one outlet for Lottery tickets.


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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:07 pm

(OOC: Without commenting on the substance, I will say that the formatting of this makes it very difficult to read. I suggest the following improvement.
The World Assembly (WA),

Noting that many WA states rely on gaming and lotteries to generate revenue for their government;

Noting that selling lottery tickets across all WA states may generate bigger jackpots and thus generate more income for charitable causes;

The WA hereby enacts as follows:

1. Definitions.
  1. GAO means the General Accounting Office.
  2. “GF” means the General Fund.
  3. IAO means the Independent Adjudicative Office.
  4. IHACC means the International Humanitarian Aid Coordination Committee.
  5. JC means the Judiciary Committee.
  6. WA organs means the WA itself and any committees of the WA.
  7. State means any state and WA state means a member state of the WA.

2. WA Lottery.
  1. The WA Lottery (“Lottery”) is hereby established.
  2. The Lotto is administered by the GAO.
  3. Draws on the Lottery shall take place every 24 hours according to the WAHQ calendar.
  4. Draws shall take place at the WAHQ.
  5. Draws shall be audited and independently monitored by the IAO.

3. Participation by WA states.
  1. Participation by WA states is entirely voluntary.
  2. All Lottery tickets in WA states are to be sold by designated authorities of each WA state that voluntarily participates in the Lottery.
  3. WA states should ensure that they have the technological means to participate in the Lottery if they choose to participate.
  4. Each WA state that voluntarily participates in the Lottery is to determine the criteria for participation, such as age and legal competence, and the means of distribution of Lottery tickets.

4. Block on prohibition.
  1. No WA state may prohibit their citizens, nationals, or subjects (“players”) from purchasing
  2. Lottery tickets when they are physically outside the jurisdiction of that WA state.
  3. No WA state may prohibit travel by their players to another WA state to purchase Lottery tickets.
  4. The taxation of Lottery winnings is subject to the local laws of each WA state.
  5. No WA state may prohibit any of their players from exiting a WA state or surrendering their citizenship or nationality if they win the lottery and do not wish to return to a WA state for any reason, such as to avoid forfeiture of their Lottery proceeds under local laws or taxation under local laws.

5. Non-participation by WA employees.
  1. No employees, representatives, or contractors of the GAO, GF, IAO, IHACC, JC that are involved in the operation of the Lottery may play the Lottery, directly or indirectly.
  2. Any such purchases shall be subject to criminal penalties to be determined by the JC.

6. Promotion to non-WA states.
  1. The WA declares that it is beneficial for individuals from non-WA states to participate in the WA Lottery, in order to increase the pool of participants and the potential to raise more funds for charitable causes.
  2. The GAO is responsible for administering the marketing and distribution of the WA Lottery to non-WA participants, in coordination with those non-WA states that choose to participate.

7. Proceeds.
  1. 50% of the gross proceeds of the Lottery shall be used as prize money. The prize money is pooled and paid out for all Lottery winners.
  2. The remaining 50% of the proceeds of the Lottery from each state is to be split at half (each 25% of the total) between (1) the state that participates in the Lottery and (2) the WA.
  3. All administrative expenses at the state level shall be funded by that state’s share of the proceeds from the Lottery.
  4. The use of proceeds after deduction of administrative expenses at that state’s level shall be at the discretion of that state.
  5. All administrative expenses at the WA level shall be funded by the WA’s share of the proceeds from the Lottery.
  6. All proceeds after deduction of administrative expenses at the WA level should be used to fund the IHACC. Any remaining proceeds shall go to the General Fund.

8. Problem gaming.
  1. Each state that participates in the Lottery shall determine appropriate means to try to prevent or limit excessive gaming by players.
  2. Prominent warnings and advice for excessive gaming shall be displayed via all distribution methods for all purchases of for Lottery tickets.

9. Adjudication. The JC shall be responsible for enforcement and interpretation of this resolution in case of disputes.


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The World Assembly (WA),

Noting that many WA states rely on gaming and lotteries to generate revenue for their government;

Noting that selling lottery tickets across all WA states may generate bigger jackpots and thus generate more income for charitable causes;

The WA hereby enacts as follows:

1. Definitions.
[list=a][*]GAO means the General Accounting Office.
[*]“GF” means the General Fund.
[*]IAO means the Independent Adjudicative Office.
[*]IHACC means the International Humanitarian Aid Coordination Committee.
[*]JC means the Judiciary Committee.
[*]WA organs means the WA itself and any committees of the WA.
[*]State means any state and WA state means a member state of the WA.[/list]

2. WA Lottery.
[list=a][*]The WA Lottery (“Lottery”) is hereby established.
[*]The Lotto is administered by the GAO.
[*]Draws on the Lottery shall take place every 24 hours according to the WAHQ calendar.
[*]Draws shall take place at the WAHQ.
[*]Draws shall be audited and independently monitored by the IAO.[/list]

3. Participation by WA states.
[list=a][*]Participation by WA states is entirely voluntary.
[*]All Lottery tickets in WA states are to be sold by designated authorities of each WA state that voluntarily participates in the Lottery.
[*]WA states should ensure that they have the technological means to participate in the Lottery if they choose to participate.
[*]Each WA state that voluntarily participates in the Lottery is to determine the criteria for participation, such as age and legal competence, and the means of distribution of Lottery tickets.[/list]

4. Block on prohibition.
[list=a][*]No WA state may prohibit their citizens, nationals, or subjects (“players”) from purchasing [*]Lottery tickets when they are physically outside the jurisdiction of that WA state.
[*]No WA state may prohibit travel by their players to another WA state to purchase Lottery tickets.
[*]The taxation of Lottery winnings is subject to the local laws of each WA state.
[*]No WA state may prohibit any of their players from exiting a WA state or surrendering their citizenship or nationality if they win the lottery and do not wish to return to a WA state for any reason, such as to avoid forfeiture of their Lottery proceeds under local laws or taxation under local laws.[/list]

5. Non-participation by WA employees.
[list=a][*]No employees, representatives, or contractors of the GAO, GF, IAO, IHACC, JC that are involved in the operation of the Lottery may play the Lottery, directly or indirectly.
[*]Any such purchases shall be subject to criminal penalties to be determined by the JC.[/list]

6. Promotion to non-WA states.
[list=a][*]The WA declares that it is beneficial for individuals from non-WA states to participate in the WA Lottery, in order to increase the pool of participants and the potential to raise more funds for charitable causes.
[*]The GAO is responsible for administering the marketing and distribution of the WA Lottery to non-WA participants, in coordination with those non-WA states that choose to participate.[/list]

7. Proceeds.
[list=a][*]50% of the gross proceeds of the Lottery shall be used as prize money. The prize money is pooled and paid out for all Lottery winners.
[*]The remaining 50% of the proceeds of the Lottery from each state is to be split at half (each 25% of the total) between (1) the state that participates in the Lottery and (2) the WA.
[*]All administrative expenses at the state level shall be funded by that state’s share of the proceeds from the Lottery.
[*]The use of proceeds after deduction of administrative expenses at that state’s level shall be at the discretion of that state.
[*]All administrative expenses at the WA level shall be funded by the WA’s share of the proceeds from the Lottery.
[*]All proceeds after deduction of administrative expenses at the WA level should be used to fund the IHACC. Any remaining proceeds shall go to the General Fund.[/list]

8. Problem gaming.
[list=a][*]Each state that participates in the Lottery shall determine appropriate means to try to prevent or limit excessive gaming by players.
[*]Prominent warnings and advice for excessive gaming shall be displayed via all distribution methods for all purchases of for Lottery tickets.[/list]

9. Adjudication. The JC shall be responsible for enforcement and interpretation of this resolution in case of disputes.

This also looks far better aesthetically.)
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Postby Simone Republic » Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:09 pm

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: Without commenting on the substance, I will say that the formatting of this makes it very difficult to read. I suggest the following improvement.
The World Assembly (WA),

Noting that many WA states rely on gaming and lotteries to generate revenue for their government;

Noting that selling lottery tickets across all WA states may generate bigger jackpots and thus generate more income for charitable causes;

The WA hereby enacts as follows:

1. Definitions.
  1. GAO means the General Accounting Office.
  2. “GF” means the General Fund.
  3. IAO means the Independent Adjudicative Office.
  4. IHACC means the International Humanitarian Aid Coordination Committee.
  5. JC means the Judiciary Committee.
  6. WA organs means the WA itself and any committees of the WA.
  7. State means any state and WA state means a member state of the WA.

2. WA Lottery.
  1. The WA Lottery (“Lottery”) is hereby established.
  2. The Lotto is administered by the GAO.
  3. Draws on the Lottery shall take place every 24 hours according to the WAHQ calendar.
  4. Draws shall take place at the WAHQ.
  5. Draws shall be audited and independently monitored by the IAO.

3. Participation by WA states.
  1. Participation by WA states is entirely voluntary.
  2. All Lottery tickets in WA states are to be sold by designated authorities of each WA state that voluntarily participates in the Lottery.
  3. WA states should ensure that they have the technological means to participate in the Lottery if they choose to participate.
  4. Each WA state that voluntarily participates in the Lottery is to determine the criteria for participation, such as age and legal competence, and the means of distribution of Lottery tickets.

4. Block on prohibition.
  1. No WA state may prohibit their citizens, nationals, or subjects (“players”) from purchasing
  2. Lottery tickets when they are physically outside the jurisdiction of that WA state.
  3. No WA state may prohibit travel by their players to another WA state to purchase Lottery tickets.
  4. The taxation of Lottery winnings is subject to the local laws of each WA state.
  5. No WA state may prohibit any of their players from exiting a WA state or surrendering their citizenship or nationality if they win the lottery and do not wish to return to a WA state for any reason, such as to avoid forfeiture of their Lottery proceeds under local laws or taxation under local laws.

5. Non-participation by WA employees.
  1. No employees, representatives, or contractors of the GAO, GF, IAO, IHACC, JC that are involved in the operation of the Lottery may play the Lottery, directly or indirectly.
  2. Any such purchases shall be subject to criminal penalties to be determined by the JC.

6. Promotion to non-WA states.
  1. The WA declares that it is beneficial for individuals from non-WA states to participate in the WA Lottery, in order to increase the pool of participants and the potential to raise more funds for charitable causes.
  2. The GAO is responsible for administering the marketing and distribution of the WA Lottery to non-WA participants, in coordination with those non-WA states that choose to participate.

7. Proceeds.
  1. 50% of the gross proceeds of the Lottery shall be used as prize money. The prize money is pooled and paid out for all Lottery winners.
  2. The remaining 50% of the proceeds of the Lottery from each state is to be split at half (each 25% of the total) between (1) the state that participates in the Lottery and (2) the WA.
  3. All administrative expenses at the state level shall be funded by that state’s share of the proceeds from the Lottery.
  4. The use of proceeds after deduction of administrative expenses at that state’s level shall be at the discretion of that state.
  5. All administrative expenses at the WA level shall be funded by the WA’s share of the proceeds from the Lottery.
  6. All proceeds after deduction of administrative expenses at the WA level should be used to fund the IHACC. Any remaining proceeds shall go to the General Fund.

8. Problem gaming.
  1. Each state that participates in the Lottery shall determine appropriate means to try to prevent or limit excessive gaming by players.
  2. Prominent warnings and advice for excessive gaming shall be displayed via all distribution methods for all purchases of for Lottery tickets.

9. Adjudication. The JC shall be responsible for enforcement and interpretation of this resolution in case of disputes.


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The World Assembly (WA),

Noting that many WA states rely on gaming and lotteries to generate revenue for their government;

Noting that selling lottery tickets across all WA states may generate bigger jackpots and thus generate more income for charitable causes;

The WA hereby enacts as follows:

1. Definitions.
[list=a][*]GAO means the General Accounting Office.
[*]“GF” means the General Fund.
[*]IAO means the Independent Adjudicative Office.
[*]IHACC means the International Humanitarian Aid Coordination Committee.
[*]JC means the Judiciary Committee.
[*]WA organs means the WA itself and any committees of the WA.
[*]State means any state and WA state means a member state of the WA.[/list]

2. WA Lottery.
[list=a][*]The WA Lottery (“Lottery”) is hereby established.
[*]The Lotto is administered by the GAO.
[*]Draws on the Lottery shall take place every 24 hours according to the WAHQ calendar.
[*]Draws shall take place at the WAHQ.
[*]Draws shall be audited and independently monitored by the IAO.[/list]

3. Participation by WA states.
[list=a][*]Participation by WA states is entirely voluntary.
[*]All Lottery tickets in WA states are to be sold by designated authorities of each WA state that voluntarily participates in the Lottery.
[*]WA states should ensure that they have the technological means to participate in the Lottery if they choose to participate.
[*]Each WA state that voluntarily participates in the Lottery is to determine the criteria for participation, such as age and legal competence, and the means of distribution of Lottery tickets.[/list]

4. Block on prohibition.
[list=a][*]No WA state may prohibit their citizens, nationals, or subjects (“players”) from purchasing [*]Lottery tickets when they are physically outside the jurisdiction of that WA state.
[*]No WA state may prohibit travel by their players to another WA state to purchase Lottery tickets.
[*]The taxation of Lottery winnings is subject to the local laws of each WA state.
[*]No WA state may prohibit any of their players from exiting a WA state or surrendering their citizenship or nationality if they win the lottery and do not wish to return to a WA state for any reason, such as to avoid forfeiture of their Lottery proceeds under local laws or taxation under local laws.[/list]

5. Non-participation by WA employees.
[list=a][*]No employees, representatives, or contractors of the GAO, GF, IAO, IHACC, JC that are involved in the operation of the Lottery may play the Lottery, directly or indirectly.
[*]Any such purchases shall be subject to criminal penalties to be determined by the JC.[/list]

6. Promotion to non-WA states.
[list=a][*]The WA declares that it is beneficial for individuals from non-WA states to participate in the WA Lottery, in order to increase the pool of participants and the potential to raise more funds for charitable causes.
[*]The GAO is responsible for administering the marketing and distribution of the WA Lottery to non-WA participants, in coordination with those non-WA states that choose to participate.[/list]

7. Proceeds.
[list=a][*]50% of the gross proceeds of the Lottery shall be used as prize money. The prize money is pooled and paid out for all Lottery winners.
[*]The remaining 50% of the proceeds of the Lottery from each state is to be split at half (each 25% of the total) between (1) the state that participates in the Lottery and (2) the WA.
[*]All administrative expenses at the state level shall be funded by that state’s share of the proceeds from the Lottery.
[*]The use of proceeds after deduction of administrative expenses at that state’s level shall be at the discretion of that state.
[*]All administrative expenses at the WA level shall be funded by the WA’s share of the proceeds from the Lottery.
[*]All proceeds after deduction of administrative expenses at the WA level should be used to fund the IHACC. Any remaining proceeds shall go to the General Fund.[/list]

8. Problem gaming.
[list=a][*]Each state that participates in the Lottery shall determine appropriate means to try to prevent or limit excessive gaming by players.
[*]Prominent warnings and advice for excessive gaming shall be displayed via all distribution methods for all purchases of for Lottery tickets.[/list]

9. Adjudication. The JC shall be responsible for enforcement and interpretation of this resolution in case of disputes.

This also looks far better aesthetically.)


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This proposal basically does nothing, although it could be a cool idea, with refinement of course.

I would overall be mostly opposed to this tbh, but it's mostly just a personal viewpoint, not a direct flaw of the resolution.
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Tappe: Our Delegation is absolutely opposed to any resolution which seeks to expand the casino business. The gambling industry is exploitative, and is not something we should be encouraging.
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Postby Simone Republic » Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:39 pm

Astrobolt wrote:Tappe: Our Delegation is absolutely opposed to any resolution which seeks to expand the casino business. The gambling industry is exploitative, and is not something we should be encouraging.


It is deliberately written so that each WA state can opt-in or opt-out of the Lottery. Of course, the operative clause also says a WA state cannot stop citizens from travelling to another state to play the lottery, kind of like the US.
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Simone Republic wrote:
Astrobolt wrote:Tappe: Our Delegation is absolutely opposed to any resolution which seeks to expand the casino business. The gambling industry is exploitative, and is not something we should be encouraging.


It is deliberately written so that each WA state can opt-in or opt-out of the Lottery. Of course, the operative clause also says a WA state cannot stop citizens from travelling to another state to play the lottery, kind of like the US.


Tappe: There is a massive incentive baked in for states to participate in the lottery, and states will have an incentive to pressure other states to join - to maximize the pool of funds. There is too much pressure for states to join, and quite frankly any WA law promoting gambling should be killed with extreme prejudice.
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Postby Simone Republic » Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:07 am

Astrobolt wrote:Tappe: There is a massive incentive baked in for states to participate in the lottery, and states will have an incentive to pressure other states to join - to maximize the pool of funds. There is too much pressure for states to join, and quite frankly any WA law promoting gambling should be killed with extreme prejudice.


Um, yes, 45 American states (plus DC etc) participate in MegaMillions and PowerBall. Alabama and Utah have that in their constitution prohibiting running lotteries, but there is no prohibition for people who live in Alabama to travel to a neighboring state to play over there.

I see that as the same with selling alcohol - plenty of counties in various states don't.

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Humanitarian causes seem to sound better than to pay for weapons.
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Postby Simone Republic » Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:52 pm

I am here to milk some laughs out of this. Whether this passes or not is kinda beside the point.
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"Thy heart biſt turned and ſold t'th' ſpirit o' the Adverſary. Thou drinkeſt the poiſon o Greed itſelf and in thine own corruption would compel thy once-brothers t' drink of it once more. All God's faithful know well that to gamble bith to ſin, and that to confederate thyſelf ſo with gamblers too bith a ſin. Worſe ſtill, by means of gambling thou whoreſt thyſelf out not only to Greed but to Sloth and Gluttony as well. Gambling breedeth idleneſs, drunkenneſs, laſciviouſneſs, and blaſphemy. Ceaſe thy damned fooliſhneſs forthwith, and ſubmit thyſelf t'th' mercy of the magiſtrate of the court of the ſhire in which ye dwell, and t'th' mercy of Almighty God. Swear thy fealty to the Lord, and live in fear of his eternal judgement."
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Postby Mesogiria » Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:39 pm

I love it, but who sets the price of a lottery ticket?

Does 3(d), "Each WA state that voluntarily participates in the Lottery is to determine the criteria for participation, such as age and legal competence, and the means of distribution of Lottery tickets." include the power to set ticket prices ('paying $3' is a criteria of participation, surely), or is that part of the general administration of the lottery as undertaken by the GAO?

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Postby Simone Republic » Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:30 am

Mesogiria wrote:I love it, but who sets the price of a lottery ticket?

Does 3(d), "Each WA state that voluntarily participates in the Lottery is to determine the criteria for participation, such as age and legal competence, and the means of distribution of Lottery tickets." include the power to set ticket prices ('paying $3' is a criteria of participation, surely), or is that part of the general administration of the lottery as undertaken by the GAO?


As the WA doesn't have a universal "in-game" currency, I deliberately left that vague. I might also not submit this until the category rule is removed so it would directly hit everyone's gambling stats and tax stats in one go.
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Postby Bananaistan » Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:54 pm

OOC: Optionality?

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"We are opposed. The WA should not be in the business of gambling and promoting gambling, particularly something as grotesque as a lottery which has terribly bad odds for the gambler compared to other common forms of gambling and almost always disproportionately sucks in poorer people. I note that this particular "game" is terribly stacked in favour of the house with only a 50% margin in favour of gamblers. While a typical bookmaker or casino will of course ultimately win and their customers lose, it will never be such an obscene margin as this. While the good socialist citizens of Bananaistan wouldn't be taken in by this crap, we fear for the poor deluded fools resident in the so called liberal democracies."
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Postby Mesogiria » Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:46 pm

Simone Republic wrote:As the WA doesn't have a universal "in-game" currency, I deliberately left that vague. I might also not submit this until the category rule is removed so it would directly hit everyone's gambling stats and tax stats in one go.

There could be an issue if ticket prices vary considerably between participating states while still offering access to the same pool of prize money. Suppose the Mesogirian Gaming Authority set the price of a ticket at one mil, a thousandth of a silver dollar, and so enabled Mesogirian gamblers to buy vastly more tickets than gamblers in another state where the price is equivalent to three silver dollars. You can see the problem, right?

You could just have it be that the GAO is required to work with participating states to set ticket prices that are approximately equal between them, and not so high as to discourage participation, easy fix.

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Postby Simone Republic » Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:05 pm

Bananaistan wrote:OOC: Optionality?


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I think it should be OK. The participation of a WA state in the Lottery is optional, but it explicitly blocks WA states from blocking anyone from exiting a WA state to buy tickets, similar to all the punters from Germany traveling to the Czech Republic to gamble, or folks from Utah/Cali going over to Nevada.

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"We are opposed. The WA should not be in the business of gambling and promoting gambling, particularly something as grotesque as a lottery which has terribly bad odds for the gambler compared to other common forms of gambling and almost always disproportionately sucks in poorer people. I note that this particular "game" is terribly stacked in favour of the house with only a 50% margin in favour of gamblers. While a typical bookmaker or casino will of course ultimately win and their customers lose, it will never be such an obscene margin as this. While the good socialist citizens of Bananaistan wouldn't be taken in by this crap, we fear for the poor deluded fools resident in the so called liberal democracies."


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Simone Republic wrote:(IC)

"Umm.... Simone Republic is not a socialist state."

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Postby Simone Republic » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:19 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Opposed. Gambling should not be condoned by member nations.


Ummm... so the opponents are basically anti-gaming...

West Barack and East Obama wrote:Dr Justin Obama, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs: Finally, a good idea. I genuinely mean it. Weaponising peoples' sinful greed to generate big bucks and redistribute it to the poor is a genius idea. Besides, if there wasn't a WA lottery with an eye-popping prize, people would be blowing that money on craps anyway. Just sayin', it's way better if it's by a trusted authority like the WA, as much as I am ashamed to admit.


And ditto the proponents...
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Postby The Overmind » Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:07 pm

Simone Republic wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Opposed. Gambling should not be condoned by member nations.


Ummm... so the opponents are basically anti-gaming...

West Barack and East Obama wrote:Dr Justin Obama, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs: Finally, a good idea. I genuinely mean it. Weaponising peoples' sinful greed to generate big bucks and redistribute it to the poor is a genius idea. Besides, if there wasn't a WA lottery with an eye-popping prize, people would be blowing that money on craps anyway. Just sayin', it's way better if it's by a trusted authority like the WA, as much as I am ashamed to admit.


And ditto the proponents...


Are you going to regale us with how being anti-state-sponsored gambling is anti-gaming, or are we expected to just infer that from the potshot?
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Postby Simone Republic » Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:33 pm

The Overmind wrote:
Simone Republic wrote:
Ummm... so the opponents are basically anti-gaming...



And ditto the proponents...


Are you going to regale us with how being anti-state-sponsored gambling is anti-gaming, or are we expected to just infer that from the potshot?


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