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[Draft] Repeal "Refugee Protection"

Postby Fachumonn » Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:14 am

Repeal "Refugee Protection"
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This is a repeal. Check out the replacement here.

The General Assembly,

Acknowledging that there is current existing legislation on the issue of protecting refugees’ rights, General Assembly Resolution #57, “Refugee Protection”,

Believing there is a way to expand upon these rights, especially for those not officially recognized as refugees,

Supporting an adequate and thought-out replacement attempt that protects these sapient rights in a more sufficient way, as well as more clearly explaining these rights to better protect refugees across the sphere,

Understanding that the resolution was passed with a noble cause and purpose to protect refugee rights within the multiverse,

However, finding many flaws in the way the resolution goes about protecting such refugees, which ultimately leads to the creation of this repeal,

Distressed that this could allow for the mistreatment of refugees all over the multiverse, and so, highlights the following problematic arguments;

  • Clause 1, where the resolution fails to allow the transport of criminals through nations while also overstepping its bounds by stating "any person",

  • Clause 3, where the resolution states that “Refugees shall not be discriminated against by reason only of their status as refugees”, however, the resolution, due to the use of the word only, essentially authorizes discrimination due to refugee status, so long as other forms of discrimination are jumbled in, and it can be inferred that discrimination is tolerated within the resolution,

  • Clause 4, where the resolution puts the burden and load on the refugee to seek assistance, and as such forces the refugee to be able to request assistance by themselves, while also putting no time frame on such assistance,

Finding the resolution vague and unclear, allowing for misinterpretation, mistreatment, and more that could negatively effect a refugee in ways more than one,

Cognizant of how the resolution fails to sufficiently protect non-refoulement and discrimination towards both asylum-seekers and refugees,

Appreciating how the resolution attempts to safeguard refugees for the benefit of the multiverse, however believing that this ultimately falls short of standards, so

Hereby Repeals GA Resolution 57, “Refugee Protection”

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Postby Fachumonn » Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:16 am

Link to resolution on forums: viewtopic.php?p=473724#p473724
Link to resolution in GA: https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... /council=1

Any and all feedback appreciated. I support a replacement.

Was scanning through old GA resolutions when I found that this was the only legislation on refugees. I realized it was quite weak, and started a Repeal. Have been working on this for around 5 days, finally ready to post on forums.

Old Drafts go here:

The General Assembly,

Acknowledging that there is existing legislation on the issue of protecting refugees’ rights, General Assembly Resolution #57, “Refugee Protection”,

Understanding that the resolution was passed with a noble cause and does protect refugees’ rights in certain areas,

Supporting an adequate and thought-out replacement attempt that protects these sentient rights in a more sufficient way,

However, finding many flaws in the way the resolution goes about protecting such refugees,

Distressed that this could allow for the mistreatment of refugees all over the multiverse, and so, highlights the following problematic arguments;
  • Clause 2, where the resolution grants member-nations the ability to deny and expel asylum seekers with no questions asked, which could lead to mistreatment of these refugees,
  • Finding further problems with this clause, as understanding that other nations may not want to accept such asylum seekers, leaving them stuck in a nation that doesn’t want them, and even if they did, these refugees could face a long, dangerous, and perilous journey to get there,
  • Clause 3, where the resolution states that “Refugees shall not be discriminated against by reason only of their status as refugees”, however the resolution does not cover discrimination by any other reason, thus opening up these refugees to be discriminated against anyways,
  • Clause 5, where the resolution acknowledges that nothing places any restrictions on whether a member-nation grants asylum to such refugees, and allows them to grant asylum to any person they wish,
  • Uncovering problems with this, as member-nations can discriminate and pick whoever they want, allowing this process to be completely unfair and unregulated,

Finding the overall resolution vague, as it encourages member-nations to do things to their “best ability”, but this could seemingly be easily exploited,

Appreciating the resolutions attempts at safeguarding refugees for the benefit of the multiverse, however understanding that this ultimately falls short, so

Hereby Repeals GA Resolution 57, “Refugee Protection”

The General Assembly,

Acknowledging that there is existing legislation on the issue of protecting refugees’ rights, General Assembly Resolution #57, “Refugee Protection”,

Understanding that the resolution was passed with a noble cause and purpose to do good in the multiverse,

Supporting an adequate and thought-out replacement attempt that protects these sentient rights in a more sufficient way, as well as more clearly explaining these rights,

However, finding many flaws in the way the resolution goes about protecting such refugees,

Distressed that this could allow for the mistreatment of refugees all over the multiverse, and so, highlights the following problematic arguments;

  • Clause 1, where the resolution surpasses its limits of protecting refugee rights by stating "No person, whether or not they meet the definitions of a refugee, shall be transported against their will", understanding that this could be anyone,

  • Clause 2, where the resolution grants member-nations the ability to deny and expel asylum seekers with no questions asked, which could lead to mistreatment of these refugees, as well as finding further problems with this clause, as understanding that other nations may not wish to accept such asylum seekers, leaving them stuck in a nation that could be dangerous, allowing refoulement, and even if a nation agreed to have them, they could be transported to non-member nations, who they wouldn't be protected against,

  • Clause 3, where the resolution states that “Refugees shall not be discriminated against by reason only of their status as refugees”, however, the resolution does not cover discrimination by any other reason, thus opening up these refugees to be discriminated against anyways, rendering this text useless,

  • Clause 4, where the resolution states that member nations should "create favourable integration of refugees", which not only is vague to the point of being unclear, it allows them to use these refugees to their favourable purpose, and essentially allows the nation to do whatever they want with these refugees,

  • Clause 5, where the resolution acknowledges that nothing places any restrictions on whether a member-nation grants asylum to such refugees, and allows them to grant asylum to any person they wish, which uncovers problems, as member-nations can discriminate and pick whoever they want, allowing this process to be completely unfair and unregulated,

Finding the overall resolution vague, as it encourages member-nations to do things to their “best ability”, but this could seemingly be easily exploited,

Appreciating how the resolution attempts to safeguard refugees for the benefit of the multiverse, however believing that this ultimately falls short of standards, so

Hereby Repeals GA Resolution 57, “Refugee Protection”

The General Assembly,

Acknowledging that there is existing legislation on the issue of protecting refugees’ rights, General Assembly Resolution #57, “Refugee Protection”,

Understanding that the resolution was passed with a noble cause and purpose to do good in the multiverse,

Supporting an adequate and thought-out replacement attempt that protects these sentient rights in a more sufficient way, as well as more clearly explaining these rights,

However, finding many flaws in the way the resolution goes about protecting such refugees,

Distressed that this could allow for the mistreatment of refugees all over the multiverse, and so, highlights the following problematic arguments;

  • Clause 1, where the resolution surpasses its limits of protecting refugee rights by stating "No person, whether or not they meet the definitions of a refugee, shall be transported against their will", understanding that this could be anyone,

  • Clause 2, where the resolution grants member-nations the ability to deny and expel asylum seekers with no questions asked, which could lead to mistreatment of these refugees, as well as finding further problems with this clause, as understanding that other nations may not wish to accept such asylum seekers, leaving them stuck in a nation that could be dangerous, allowing refoulement, and even if a nation agreed to have them, they could be transported to non-member nations, who they wouldn't be protected against,

  • Clause 3, where the resolution states that “Refugees shall not be discriminated against by reason only of their status as refugees”, however, the resolution does not cover discrimination by any other reason, thus opening up these refugees to be discriminated against anyways, rendering this text useless,

  • Clause 4, where the resolution states that member nations should "create favourable integration of refugees", which not only is vague to the point of being unclear, it allows them to use these refugees to their favourable purpose, and essentially allows the nation to do whatever they want with these refugees,

  • Clause 5, where the resolution acknowledges that nothing places any restrictions on whether a member-nation grants asylum to such refugees, and allows them to grant asylum to any person they wish, which uncovers problems, as member-nations can discriminate and pick whoever they want, allowing this process to be completely unfair and unregulated,

Finding the overall resolution vague, as it encourages member-nations to do things to their “best ability”, but this could seemingly be easily exploited,

Appreciating how the resolution attempts to safeguard refugees for the benefit of the multiverse, however believing that this ultimately falls short of standards, so

Hereby Repeals GA Resolution 57, “Refugee Protection”

The General Assembly,

Acknowledging that there is current existing legislation on the issue of protecting refugees’ rights, General Assembly Resolution #57, “Refugee Protection”,

Understanding that the resolution was passed with a noble cause and purpose to do protect refugee rights within the multiverse,

Supporting an adequate and thought-out replacement attempt that protects these sentient rights in a more sufficient way, as well as more clearly explaining these rights to better protect refugees across the sphere,

However, finding many flaws in the way the resolution goes about protecting such refugees,

Distressed that this could allow for the mistreatment of refugees all over the multiverse, and so, highlights the following problematic arguments;

  • Clause 1, where the resolution surpasses its limits of protecting refugee rights by stating "No person, whether or not they meet the definitions of a refugee, shall be transported against their will", understanding that this could be anyone,

  • Clause 2, where the resolution grants member-nations the ability to deny and expel asylum seekers with no questions asked, which could lead to mistreatment of these refugees, as well as finding further problems with this clause, as understanding that other nations may not wish to accept such asylum seekers, leaving them stuck in a nation that could be dangerous, allowing refoulement, and even if a nation agreed to have them, they could be transported to non-member nations, who they wouldn't be protected against,

  • Clause 3, where the resolution states that “Refugees shall not be discriminated against by reason only of their status as refugees”, however, the resolution does not cover discrimination by any other reason, thus opening up these refugees to be discriminated against anyways, rendering this text useless,

  • Clause 5, where the resolution acknowledges that nothing places any restrictions on whether a member-nation grants asylum to such refugees, and allows them to grant asylum to any person they wish, which uncovers problems, as member-nations can discriminate and pick whoever they want, allowing this process to be completely unfair and unregulated,

Finding the overall resolution vague, as it encourages member-nations to do things to their “best ability”, but not specifying more, allowing for mistreatment of these refugees as a result of the resolution,

Cognizant of how the resolution fails to protect non-refoulement and discrimination towards asylum-seekers and refugees,

Appreciating how the resolution attempts to safeguard refugees for the benefit of the multiverse, however believing that this ultimately falls short of standards, so

Hereby Repeals GA Resolution 57, “Refugee Protection”

The General Assembly,

Acknowledging that there is current existing legislation on the issue of protecting refugees’ rights, General Assembly Resolution #57, “Refugee Protection”,

Believing there is a way to expand upon these rights, especially for those not officially recognized as refugees,

Supporting an adequate and thought-out replacement attempt that protects these sentient rights in a more sufficient way, as well as more clearly explaining these rights to better protect refugees across the sphere,

Understanding that the resolution was passed with a noble cause and purpose to protect refugee rights within the multiverse,

However, finding many flaws in the way the resolution goes about protecting such refugees, which ultimately leads to the creation of this repeal,

Distressed that this could allow for the mistreatment of refugees all over the multiverse, and so, highlights the following problematic arguments;


  • Clause 2, where the resolution grants member-nations the ability to deny and expel asylum seekers with no questions asked, which could lead to mistreatment of these refugees, as well as finding further problems with this clause, as understanding that other nations may not wish to accept such asylum seekers, leaving them stuck in a nation that could be dangerous, allowing refoulement, and even if a nation agreed to have them, they could be transported to non-member nations, who they wouldn't be protected against,

  • Clause 3, where the resolution states that “Refugees shall not be discriminated against by reason only of their status as refugees”, however, the resolution does not cover discrimination by any other reason, thus opening up these refugees to be discriminated against anyways, rendering this text mostly useless,

  • Clause 5, where the resolution acknowledges that nothing places any restrictions on whether a member-nation grants asylum to such refugees, and allows them to grant asylum to any person they wish, which uncovers problems, as member-nations can discriminate and pick whoever they want, allowing this process to be completely unfair and unregulated,

Finding the overall resolution vague and unclear, allowing for misinterpretation, mistreatment, and more that could negatively effect a refugee in ways more than one,

Cognizant of how the resolution fails to protect non-refoulement and discrimination towards both asylum-seekers and refugees,

Appreciating how the resolution attempts to safeguard refugees for the benefit of the multiverse, however believing that this ultimately falls short of standards, so

Hereby Repeals GA Resolution 57, “Refugee Protection”

The General Assembly,

Acknowledging that there is current existing legislation on the issue of protecting refugees’ rights, General Assembly Resolution #57, “Refugee Protection”,

Believing there is a way to expand upon these rights, especially for those not officially recognized as refugees,

Supporting an adequate and thought-out replacement attempt that protects these sapient rights in a more sufficient way, as well as more clearly explaining these rights to better protect refugees across the sphere,

Understanding that the resolution was passed with a noble cause and purpose to protect refugee rights within the multiverse,

However, finding many flaws in the way the resolution goes about protecting such refugees, which ultimately leads to the creation of this repeal,

Distressed that this could allow for the mistreatment of refugees all over the multiverse, and so, highlights the following problematic arguments;

  • Clause 2, where the resolution grants member-nations the ability to deny and expel asylum seekers with no questions asked, which could lead to mistreatment of these asylum-seekers, as well as finding further problems with this clause, as understanding that other nations that "wishing to accept" such asylum-seekers may be dangerous and violent their own right, allowing refoulement, at least to a certain extent,

  • Clause 3, where the resolution states that “Refugees shall not be discriminated against by reason only of their status as refugees”, however, the resolution does not cover discrimination by any other reason, which opens up a possibility of refugees being discriminated against for "other reasons", in actuality tying back to their status as a refugee,

  • Clause 5, where the resolution acknowledges that nothing places any restrictions on whether a member-nation grants asylum to such refugees, and allows them to grant asylum to any person they wish, as there is no clause that prevents discrimination against an arbitrary characteristic, which uncovers problems, as member-nations can discriminate and pick whoever they want, allowing this process to be completely unfair and unregulated,

Finding the overall resolution vague and unclear, allowing for misinterpretation, mistreatment, and more that could negatively effect a refugee in ways more than one,

Cognizant of how the resolution fails to protect non-refoulement and discrimination towards both asylum-seekers and refugees,

Appreciating how the resolution attempts to safeguard refugees for the benefit of the multiverse, however believing that this ultimately falls short of standards, so

Hereby Repeals GA Resolution 57, “Refugee Protection”

The General Assembly,

Acknowledging that there is current existing legislation on the issue of protecting refugees’ rights, General Assembly Resolution #57, “Refugee Protection”,

Believing there is a way to expand upon these rights, especially for those not officially recognized as refugees,

Supporting an adequate and thought-out replacement attempt that protects these sapient rights in a more sufficient way, as well as more clearly explaining these rights to better protect refugees across the sphere,

Understanding that the resolution was passed with a noble cause and purpose to protect refugee rights within the multiverse,

However, finding many flaws in the way the resolution goes about protecting such refugees, which ultimately leads to the creation of this repeal,

Distressed that this could allow for the mistreatment of refugees all over the multiverse, and so, highlights the following problematic arguments;

  • Clause 2, where the resolution attempts to safeguard the principle idea of non-refoulement, but in actuality has an adverse effect, as understanding that other nations that "wishing to accept" such asylum-seekers may be dangerous and violent their own right, allowing refoulement, at least to a certain extent,

  • Clause 3, where the resolution states that “Refugees shall not be discriminated against by reason only of their status as refugees”, however, the resolution, due to the use of the word only, essentially authorizes discrimination due to refugee status, so long as other forms of discrimination are jumbled in, and it can be inferred that discrimination is tolerated within the resolution,

  • Clause 5, where the resolution acknowledges that nothing places any restrictions on whether a member-nation grants asylum to such refugees, and allows them to grant asylum to any person they wish, as there is no clause that prevents discrimination against an arbitrary characteristic, which uncovers problems, as member-nations can discriminate and pick whoever they want, allowing this process to be completely unfair and unregulated,

Finding the overall resolution vague and unclear, allowing for misinterpretation, mistreatment, and more that could negatively effect a refugee in ways more than one,

Cognizant of how the resolution fails to protect non-refoulement and discrimination towards both asylum-seekers and refugees,

Appreciating how the resolution attempts to safeguard refugees for the benefit of the multiverse, however believing that this ultimately falls short of standards, so

Hereby Repeals GA Resolution 57, “Refugee Protection”

The General Assembly,

Acknowledging that there is current existing legislation on the issue of protecting refugees’ rights, General Assembly Resolution #57, “Refugee Protection”,

Believing there is a way to expand upon these rights, especially for those not officially recognized as refugees,

Supporting an adequate and thought-out replacement attempt that protects these sapient rights in a more sufficient way, as well as more clearly explaining these rights to better protect refugees across the sphere,

Understanding that the resolution was passed with a noble cause and purpose to protect refugee rights within the multiverse,

However, finding many flaws in the way the resolution goes about protecting such refugees, which ultimately leads to the creation of this repeal,

Distressed that this could allow for the mistreatment of refugees all over the multiverse, and so, highlights the following problematic arguments;

  • Clause 1, where the resolution fails to allow the transport of criminals through nations while also overstepping its bounds by stating "any person",

  • Clause 3, where the resolution states that “Refugees shall not be discriminated against by reason only of their status as refugees”, however, the resolution, due to the use of the word only, essentially authorizes discrimination due to refugee status, so long as other forms of discrimination are jumbled in, and it can be inferred that discrimination is tolerated within the resolution,

  • Clause 4, where the resolution puts the burden and load on the refugee to seek assistance, and as such forces the refugee to be able to request assistance by themselves, while also putting no time frame on such assistance,

Finding the resolution vague and unclear, allowing for misinterpretation, mistreatment, and more that could negatively effect a refugee in ways more than one,

Cognizant of how the resolution fails to sufficiently protect non-refoulement and discrimination towards both asylum-seekers and refugees,

Appreciating how the resolution attempts to safeguard refugees for the benefit of the multiverse, however believing that this ultimately falls short of standards, so

Hereby Repeals GA Resolution 57, “Refugee Protection”
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Postby Comfed » Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:01 am

I think your claim as regards clause 4 is vacuous. It's a non-binding statement of principle; it doesn't really create any substantive mandate that permits discrimination.

It's not non-binding. Nonetheless I think you are grasping at straws by claiming that it "allows [member-states' governments] to use these refugees to their favourable purpose."
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Postby Fachumonn » Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:15 am

Comfed wrote:I think you are grasping at straws by claiming that it "allows [member-states' governments] to use these refugees to their favourable purpose."


I can see where you are coming from, and this would be true if the resolution was any more specific about what "favourable" meant. As it stands, the resolution doesn't elaborate, and such this can be twisted.

Comfed wrote:I think your claim as regards clause 4 is vacuous.

Not going to lie, I had to look up what that meant 8). The problem isn't that it's not clear what the resolution is trying to do, it's just that member nations could certainly use this as a loophole to do what is the favourable thing for them. This is a recurring problem throughout the resolution; it's not specific enough.

However, with all that said, thanks for the feedback. If I get more comments pertaining to this argument, I will think about revising it.
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Postby The Overmind » Sat Mar 02, 2024 3:53 pm

No support until we see a replacement draft that surpasses the target.
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Postby Fachumonn » Sat Mar 02, 2024 7:18 pm

The Overmind wrote:No support until we see a replacement draft that surpasses the target.


I understand this concern - I might not be the best fit to write such a replacement.

(I'm drafting one anyways. This won't get submitted until I feel there is an adequate replacement ready, as any long period of time without legislation on refugees is a concern).
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Postby Fachumonn » Sun Mar 03, 2024 2:53 pm

Update:
  • Changed the Understanding, Supporting, Finding, and Appreciating clauses to better reflect the message and be more clear.
  • Changed a little bit of wording in the clauses that talk about the clauses.
  • I am working on a draft, but open to other people writing this as well. (So far, I just have a baseline).

More feedback is appreciated as it helps me shape this resolution up to standards and hopefully repeal & replace.
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Postby Satanoj » Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:56 pm

The Overmind wrote:No support until we see a replacement draft that surpasses the target.


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Satanoj wrote:
The Overmind wrote:No support until we see a replacement draft that surpasses the target.


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Fachumonn wrote:
Satanoj wrote:
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As a matter of sarcasm, I am very tempted to submit the British pre-1997 Conservative government solution of locking up all refugees in internment camps allow them to beat each other to death by providing them with weapons.

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Simone Republic wrote:
Fachumonn wrote:
IC: WA Ambassador The People: "We understand that a replacement is a priority and are working to get it up to standards. One of our ambassadors has even been working a 16 hour shift."


As a matter of sarcasm, I am very tempted to submit the British pre-1997 Conservative government solution of locking up all refugees in internment camps allow them to beat each other to death by providing them with weapons.

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Postby Fachumonn » Tue Mar 05, 2024 5:13 pm

The replacement is finally out! Have a look at it here.

This also serves as a bump, as somehow this has fallen entirely out of the first page. I would love more feedback so we can get this Repeal and Replace over with.
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Postby Astrobolt » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:07 pm

Tappe: The delegation's criticism of clause 1 is incorrect. The clause doesn't prevent the transport against someone's will, but prevents forced transport to a territory where someone "may be put at risk of persecution, unjustifiably discriminatory treatment, unjust incarceration or execution, torture, or other serious violations of their rights".
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Postby Fachumonn » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:48 pm

Astrobolt wrote:"The clause doesn't prevent the transport against someone's will"


No person, whether or not they meet the definitions of a refugee, shall be transported against their will...
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Postby Astrobolt » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:17 pm

Fachumonn wrote:
Astrobolt wrote:"The clause doesn't prevent the transport against someone's will"


No person, whether or not they meet the definitions of a refugee, shall be transported against their will...



OOC: Please read the full clause more carefully:

"No person, whether or not they meet the definitions of a refugee, shall be transported against their will, in any manner or for any reason, to a territory in which that person may be put at risk of persecution, unjustifiably discriminatory treatment, unjust incarceration or execution, torture, or other serious violations of their rights, whether by state or non-state entities.
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Postby Fachumonn » Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:18 am

Astrobolt wrote:
Fachumonn wrote:
No person, whether or not they meet the definitions of a refugee, shall be transported against their will...



OOC: Please read the full clause more carefully:

"No person, whether or not they meet the definitions of a refugee, shall be transported against their will, in any manner or for any reason, to a territory in which that person may be put at risk of persecution, unjustifiably discriminatory treatment, unjust incarceration or execution, torture, or other serious violations of their rights, whether by state or non-state entities.

Still, even if you disagree with my interpretation of the clause,
1. It oversteps its bounds by saying "No person, whether or not they meet the definitions of a refugee"
2. What if there is a criminal who has fled one nation to go to the other. They should go back to the nation where they committed the crime to face trial, right? This makes this impossible. A criminal fits the description made, so now they can't be returned to their nation. That's the point of my point.
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Postby The Overmind » Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:35 am

Fachumonn wrote:
Astrobolt wrote:

OOC: Please read the full clause more carefully:

"No person, whether or not they meet the definitions of a refugee, shall be transported against their will, in any manner or for any reason, to a territory in which that person may be put at risk of persecution, unjustifiably discriminatory treatment, unjust incarceration or execution, torture, or other serious violations of their rights, whether by state or non-state entities.

Still, even if you disagree with my interpretation of the clause,
1. It oversteps its bounds by saying "No person, whether or not they meet the definitions of a refugee"
2. What if there is a criminal who has fled one nation to go to the other. They should go back to the nation where they committed the crime to face trial, right? This makes this impossible. A criminal fits the description made, so now they can't be returned to their nation. That's the point of my point.


It's not just an interpretation problem. It would almost certainly be illegal for honest mistake to keep that clause in as is
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Postby Fachumonn » Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:43 am

The Overmind wrote:
Fachumonn wrote:Still, even if you disagree with my interpretation of the clause,
1. It oversteps its bounds by saying "No person, whether or not they meet the definitions of a refugee"
2. What if there is a criminal who has fled one nation to go to the other. They should go back to the nation where they committed the crime to face trial, right? This makes this impossible. A criminal fits the description made, so now they can't be returned to their nation. That's the point of my point.


It's not just an interpretation problem. It would almost certainly be illegal for honest mistake to keep that clause in as is



Due to feedback from Astrobolt and Overmind, I have decided to revise the first clause. Thanks for the feedback, and keep it going.
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Postby Midlona » Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:10 pm

"Midlona supports the repeal of the target resolution, and therefore this proposal."
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Postby Fachumonn » Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:21 pm

Midlona wrote:"Midlona supports the repeal of the target resolution, and therefore this proposal."
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Postby Fachumonn » Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:28 pm

Bump, as this has fallen far down the second page with all the activity in GA.

If I don't get any more substantial feedback soon, consider this being not far away from submission, so get your feedback in!
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Postby The Overmind » Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:40 pm

Fachumonn wrote:Bump, as this has fallen far down the second page with all the activity in GA.

If I don't get any more substantial feedback soon, consider this being not far away from submission, so get your feedback in!


I think that's a little fast, especially if the replacement is not also on last call
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Postby Fachumonn » Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:43 pm

The Overmind wrote:
Fachumonn wrote:Bump, as this has fallen far down the second page with all the activity in GA.

If I don't get any more substantial feedback soon, consider this being not far away from submission, so get your feedback in!


I think that's a little fast, especially if the replacement is not also on last call

Ok, It was more that I was just encouraging people to give feedback sooner rather than later.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, and the replacement will be ready before I submit.

(Sighs in temporary lapse of judgement)
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Postby The Overmind » Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:55 pm

Fachumonn wrote:
The Overmind wrote:
I think that's a little fast, especially if the replacement is not also on last call

Ok, It was more that I was just encouraging people to give feedback sooner rather than later.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, and the replacement will be ready before I submit.

(Sighs in temporary lapse of judgement)


Just to be clear, that wasn't a criticism; just a suggestion. I wasn't trying to imply that your judgment was bad.
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Postby Fachumonn » Fri Mar 08, 2024 3:12 pm

New draft is up with a revised clause 4, 1, and 5, as well as cleaning up around the edges of the proposal in the opening and closing statements.

Please get your feedback in quickly. It has been dry as of late.
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