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Who is Jesus?

Postby Repreteop » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:21 am

I was looking through the forums, many religious arguments, many political debates, all in general. While I was on my stroll, I wondered to myself.

"Who is Jesus?"

Well, I already know who Jesus is, but I was wondering, what is Jesus to you guys, is he the Messiah, is he a fraud, was he even real?

I personally believe Jesus was not the Messiah, I am always open to learning or even following good ideas and thoughts. However I currently have a Jewish view towards the Messiah, and believe Jesus is not the Messiah and believe the Messiah will bring the Jews back into Israel, bring in an era of peace, build the Third Temple, father a heir, re-institute the Sanhedrin, and etc. Not really the same as Jesus.

Please discuss, I'm interested in learning, you could learn too. You should have a open mind after all.
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Repreteop wrote:I have never wanted to fast. I like food too much. Though we always ate light after Yom Kippur. Bagels, lox, whitefish.
Sucks when you want to fast too.
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Postby New Schottland » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:28 am

controversial forum, he is the messiah

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Postby Floofybit » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:32 am

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Postby Repreteop » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:34 am

Floofybit wrote:The son of God (not God), the Saviour and Redeemer


Thats a interesting Christian take, doesn't LDS believe in that?
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Repreteop wrote:I have never wanted to fast. I like food too much. Though we always ate light after Yom Kippur. Bagels, lox, whitefish.
Sucks when you want to fast too.
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Postby High Earth » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:35 am

Floofybit wrote:The son of God (not God), the Saviour and Redeemer

I agree, there are confirmed historical records of Jesus outside of the Bible, he did exist as a historical figure, there is no doubt about that.
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Postby Ancientania » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:35 am

Repreteop wrote:I was looking through the forums, many religious arguments, many political debates, all in general. While I was on my stroll, I wondered to myself.

"Who is Jesus?"

Well, I already know who Jesus is, but I was wondering, what is Jesus to you guys, is he the Messiah, is he a fraud, was he even real?

I personally believe Jesus was not the Messiah, I am always open to learning or even following good ideas and thoughts. However I currently have a Jewish view towards the Messiah, and believe Jesus is not the Messiah and believe the Messiah will bring the Jews back into Israel, bring in an era of peace, build the Third Temple, father a heir, re-institute the Sanhedrin, and etc. Not really the same as Jesus.

Please discuss, I'm interested in learning, you could learn too. You should have a open mind after all.

From an objective point of view, we have proof that Jesus existed and it seems stupid to think, after considering the evidence, otherwise. He was born in Jerusalem a couple years before 0 CE, et cetera et cetera et cetera.

From my point of view, as a jew, I see that he did not start his own religion. In fact, he was almost a Jewish missionary, but the way he interpreted the torah and what he decided to teach was enough of a difference for his followers to believe that it was separate. However, I agree with you on the mesiah or 'Christ' part of it, but I can't prove or disprove what the Christians say, from miracles to son of g-d to anything else, but I can choose to believe it or not, and I don't.
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Postby Floofybit » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:36 am

Repreteop wrote:
Floofybit wrote:The son of God (not God), the Saviour and Redeemer


Thats a interesting Christian take, doesn't LDS believe in that?

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:38 am

Repreteop wrote:
Floofybit wrote:The son of God (not God), the Saviour and Redeemer


Thats an interesting Christian take, doesn't LDS believe in that?

Floofy is LDS.
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Easier to say what He is not, when it is considered that salvation and redemption are not collective endeavors, and He does not judge by the group.
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A person who commands respect, who took upon himself all the punishment for our sins.

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Postby Repreteop » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:46 am

Ancientania wrote:
Repreteop wrote:I was looking through the forums, many religious arguments, many political debates, all in general. While I was on my stroll, I wondered to myself.

"Who is Jesus?"

Well, I already know who Jesus is, but I was wondering, what is Jesus to you guys, is he the Messiah, is he a fraud, was he even real?

I personally believe Jesus was not the Messiah, I am always open to learning or even following good ideas and thoughts. However I currently have a Jewish view towards the Messiah, and believe Jesus is not the Messiah and believe the Messiah will bring the Jews back into Israel, bring in an era of peace, build the Third Temple, father a heir, re-institute the Sanhedrin, and etc. Not really the same as Jesus.

Please discuss, I'm interested in learning, you could learn too. You should have a open mind after all.

From an objective point of view, we have proof that Jesus existed and it seems stupid to think, after considering the evidence, otherwise. He was born in Jerusalem a couple years before 0 CE, et cetera et cetera et cetera.

From my point of view, as a jew, I see that he did not start his own religion. In fact, he was almost a Jewish missionary, but the way he interpreted the torah and what he decided to teach was enough of a difference for his followers to believe that it was separate. However, I agree with you on the mesiah or 'Christ' part of it, but I can't prove or disprove what the Christians say, from miracles to son of g-d to anything else, but I can choose to believe it or not, and I don't.


Shalom. I don't believe hes the Messiah, while most Reform Jews (which I mostly associate with) don't really put emphasis on the Messiah, I believe there could be one someday.
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Repreteop wrote:I have never wanted to fast. I like food too much. Though we always ate light after Yom Kippur. Bagels, lox, whitefish.
Sucks when you want to fast too.
(Somebody edited this lol)

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Postby Repreteop » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:47 am

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Repreteop wrote:
Thats an interesting Christian take, doesn't LDS believe in that?

Floofy is LDS.


Oh yeah, thats cool. I was interested in it for a bit.
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Repreteop wrote:I have never wanted to fast. I like food too much. Though we always ate light after Yom Kippur. Bagels, lox, whitefish.
Sucks when you want to fast too.
(Somebody edited this lol)

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Postby United Bongo States of the New America » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:51 am

Jesus Christ, pbuh, is the prophet of Allah and servant. He's the promised Messiah. He foretold the coming of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh.
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Postby Repreteop » Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:53 am

United Bongo States of the New America wrote:Jesus Christ, pbuh, is the prophet of Allah and servant. He's the promised Messiah.


Islamic Jesus is interesting.
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Repreteop wrote:I have never wanted to fast. I like food too much. Though we always ate light after Yom Kippur. Bagels, lox, whitefish.
Sucks when you want to fast too.
(Somebody edited this lol)

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He's a guy who sought to reform Judaism to make it more open to all walks of life, prioritizing the principles of generosity and neighborly love. I'm quite content with what he did for the world, even though I do not believe he is a messiah.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:16 pm

Depends if you mean the person described in the Bible, nonexistent. If you mean the person the Bible might be based on, either non existent or so different from what is described in the Bible as to be unrecognizable. If there is a person the Bible is based on, then a human who had legends grow around him.

Oh I forgot to add, when I was a religious Jew I viewed him as a false prophet.
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Neutraligon wrote:Depends if you mean the person described in the Bible, nonexistent. If you mean the person the Bible might be based on, either non existent or so different from what is described in the Bible as to be unrecognizable. If there is a person the Bible is based on, then a human who had legends grow around him.

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I believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, coeternal and of one essence with the Father, who for us and for our salvation, became incarnate of the Virgin Mary and the Holy Spirit, lived a holy and sinless life, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified for our sins, died and was buried, and then rose again from the dead, thus declaring the justification of all men and forgiving their trespasses. He then ascended back into heaven, and one day He will return in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His Kingdom will have no end. Amen.

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Postby Usca » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:45 pm

Personally, i believe he is the Lord and Saviour and the one true son of God who came to die for our sins

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